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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.ngata is basically another wilfork, you already have that so you don't need ngata
also the two 1st rounder compensation means a 1st in this upcoming draft and a 1st in next years, not both of your firsts this draft (unless you wanted to work out a deal with the ravens that way instead of the mandatory 1st this draft+1st next draft that going after a franchise tagged player would normally cost)
Ngata is rare and i'd give both firsts in this draft for him. So far i don't see the first round of this draft as anything special and teaming Ngata with Wilfork would give the Patriots a dominant defensive line that would force teams to double team both and free pass rushers off the edge. Imo Ngata would do more to upgrade their pass rush than any pass rusher in this draft. Like Fitzgerald, Ngata is one of those rare player you go after when there is a chance at getting them. The likelihood is slim at best even offering both firsts but i'd do it if it was possible.
Absolutely not. The cost is prohibitive and the risk is too great. Given BB's track record in the first round, I'd feel better going out and grabbing two players than giving up the house to get one.[/QUOTE]
BBs 1st round picks
2000-N/A
2001-Seymour
2002-Graham
2003-Warren
2004-Wilfork, Watson
2005-Mankins
2006-Maroney
2007-Merriweather
2008-Mayo
2009-N/A
2010-McCourty
I would agree that BB has done a good job of landing year 1 impact players in the 1st round. In any other year I would agree with you. However, if you believe that the team's critical needs more impact players on defense- especially stopping the run, 3rd down, red zone and pass rush as well as more game experience, then drafting kids might not be the best approach. However, if the right player is there (DT, OLB, etc) then maybe you bet on the kid contributing right away. No question that not going after Ngata is the best business decision long term.
Obviously BB needs to determine how far way the team is realistically away form winning a SB. Seeing that this is a young team and Brady has 3-5 prime years left, a case can be made to pushing all the chips to the center of the table for Ngata. There is nothing wrong with a team "going for it" as long as the long-term future isn't gambled away.
Haloti and Vince will both be breaking down from years of absorbing double teams if not done altogether in 4-5 years. Then what? Which is why you don't do it. Money is one issue, lack of draft capital to build for a competitive future is another. Their respective teams have already gotten 6-7 seasons out of these two. They may still be in their prime, but they won't be for that much longer.
Few fans saw Wilfork or Seymour or Warren or Mankins or Light as anything special pre draft. That's because fans are essentially sheep. And like the mediots they listen to they only see in hype induced sight or hindsight.
I'd be more than happy with 4-5 years of Wilfork and Ngata together before breaking down.
I think they have some cash they can spend and Ngata is one of the few i'd spend it on.
I agree on Warren and see him as analogous to this draft, and he's been a very good player, but many knew Wilfork was special before they drafted him and Seymour was seen as a great choice by those who wanted him over Terrell. Light was a second so he's not really in this discussion but Mankins was a late first well spent, and i loved the pick at the time they made it, however i also loved the Maroney pick so take that for what it's worth.
As for Draft capital they will still have a choice pick as first in the second round, a more valuable pick than the late first imo, counterintuitive as that may sound, but teams would have all night to make a decision and other teams will fall in love with players and want to go up and secure them, so with four picks in the second and third and the value of the #33 I think they still have plenty of value with the remaining picks. So far i don't see much distinction between the players rated as first rounders now and the following 30-40, so i don't put as much stock in the value of the first as i have other years, and trading them for a great player is worth it to me.
You should since this is a shallow draft because of all the juniors who came out early last year to get a shot at a non capped rookie deal. Don't want lots of day two and three picks in this draft...because the need is not for depth, it's for a couple of impact starters.
You should since this is a shallow draft because of all the juniors who came out early last year to get a shot at a non capped rookie deal. Don't want lots of day two and three picks in this draft...because the need is not for depth, it's for a couple of impact starters.
People are really under-stating how good Ngata is. He is a force up front and can change their whole defense. With him and Wilfork the Pats would own the LOS against every team. His impact would go well beyond any stats. I'd give up 2 firsts and the money for him in a heartbeat.
That said, there is no way Baltimore isn't going to re-sign him. They will pony up and pay the money because he is the key to their defense.
People are really under-stating how good Ngata is. He is a force up front and can change their whole defense. With him and Wilfork the Pats would own the LOS against every team. His impact would go well beyond any stats. I'd give up 2 firsts and the money for him in a heartbeat.
That said, there is no way Baltimore isn't going to re-sign him. They will pony up and pay the money because he is the key to their defense.
Absolutely not. The cost is prohibitive and the risk is too great. Given BB's track record in the first round, I'd feel better going out and grabbing two players than giving up the house to get one.[/QUOTE]
BBs 1st round picks
2003-Warren
2004-Wilfork, Watson
2005-Mankins
2006-Maroney
2007-Merriweather
2008-Mayo
2009-N/A
2010-McCourty
And, BTW, given this list, wouldn't Muhammad Wilkerson be a perfect first-round pick?