David Patten

[Brady#12]

David Patten is a creation of Tom Brady.

So is David Givens IMO.

 

[edzo44]

LOL, it's been over a year since he's left the Pats and we're still making "there's no way Patten DOESN'T get cut" posts. I love it.

So it must be time to resurrect the "No way Klecko makes this team" threads again?? He's still been on the team for over a year again against all odds!!

 

[Pats726]

I do think that Patton and Givens took advantage of the system the Patriot's had..is that NOT what a good system would do?? Take advantage of receiver's strengths?? Utilize as much as possible?? Given that fact, I think it would not ba a bad addition to have DP in the mix. WHo knows how it will play out over TC time?? Last year there were injuries starting off and many WRs got chances to play. Same thing may happen this year. What harm would there be?? (And just think of all the 'Patten will not make the club' threads!!)

 

[MoLewisrocks]

It's not all that likely he gets cut because part of the reason they signed him was to play the hardworking veteran role model to a young WR core. Snyder has to pay for for that kind of leadership almost annually since nobody ever sticks there for more that a few seasons. And David signed a 5 year $13M deal with a $3.5M signing bonus, $2.8M of which remains. So cutting him this year won't save them much more than a few hundred grand while leaving another $1.4M to hit their dead cap in 2007. And if he's healthy he's pretty good injury insurance as the #4 in DC.

That said, if they cut him he'd likely be thrilled to come back here - he knows money aside he made a mistake going to team Snyder. He pocketed about $4M of Dan's cash last year though - pretty nice retirement nestegg. I don't doubt he'd come here as a veteran minimum guy because with 10 years that's $800K+ and with no signing bonus it's a $456K cap hit vs. the currently projected #5 named Bethel who is due to count $856K this season.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Here is DP's 2005 Game Log...

+----------+--------+-------------+----+
| WK  OPP  |  RSHYD |  REC   YD   | TD |
+----------+--------+-------------+----+
|  1  chi  |     0  |    3    19  |  0 |
|  2  dal  |     0  |    1    12  |  0 |
|  4  sea  |     0  |    3    15  |  0 |
|  5  den  |     0  |    7    63  |  0 |
|  6  kan  |     0  |    2    22  |  0 |
|  7  sfo  |     0  |    2    56  |  0 |
|  8  nyg  |     0  |    1     6  |  0 |
|  9  phi  |     0  |    0     0  |  0 |
| 10  tam  |     0  |    3    24  |  0 |
+----------+--------+-------------+----+
|  TOTAL   |     0  |   22   217  |  0 |
+----------+--------+-------------+----+

NOTE: Patten was the #2 alongside Santana Moss, who was one of the best WRs in '05. Patten suffered a season-ending knee injury on week 10.

 

[rookBoston]

Are you kidding?

Of course we bring him back. This is Tebucky Jones all over again. We got our draft picks in compensation, he made his money on the FA market, he knows the system, we know what he can bring, he's great in the lockerroom.

Lack of success with the Redskins has no influence over whether he's productive for the Pats. We scheme and play a very different kind of O.

David may never be a star, but we dont need stars. We need players who can make one reception when it counts. David has speed and smarts and an incredible work ethic. He may not be a pure natural talent, but we dont need him to be.

He's competition for Caldwell, and insurance policy against Brown and an upgrade over Bethel. Really, he'd be competing with Brown and Childress for the #4 and #5 spots. The fact that Bethel was a healthy scratch from the playoff roster last year should tell you something about his future with the team.

Brady#12 posted something about Givens I thought was spot on. I think there's a fair chance that Givens flops in Tennessee-- he's not a great natural talent, he's a technique guy who developed great chemistry with his QB over a period of many years. Givens may spend two down years with the Titans and find himself unemployed or buried behind a few early round draft picks. If so, we may see him back in a Pats uni before his career is over.

 

[spacecrime]

Brady#12 posted something about Givens I thought was spot on. I think there's a fair chance that Givens flops in Tennessee-- he's not a great natural talent, he's a technique guy who developed great chemistry with his QB over a period of many years. Givens may spend two down years with the Titans and find himself unemployed or buried behind a few early round draft picks. If so, we may see him back in a Pats uni before his career is over.

Players leave. They don't all have to come back.

I do think that Givens won't be as successful in Tenn as he was here, but he has yet to play a single down for the Titans, so it may be a bit early to figure that his career with them is in the toilet.

One good thing: he left of good terms, as did Patten, Ahshworth, Fauria and many others. That makes it easier to get invited back. Those that left with an attitude (Woody, Milloy, Law, Andruzzi) will have a tougher time getting that invite.

 

[zippo59]

I think people people are being too hard on Patten. He is a guy that Brady trusts and led the team in TD receptions in 2004 if I recall correctly. Is he going to come in here and be and fight for the number 1 spot, and blow everyone away? Of course not. But for the right price he is a reliable, experienced option, who knows the offense. Don't go crazy trying to bring him in, but if he's there for reasconable money I say sure. It's not like there are heaps of other recievers to go after.

 

[D-cleater]

I agree with the recent replies to this thread that we bring DP into training camp if he is cut from the skins. DP has made some clutch catches. 1st down catches no less, before and even after Branch and Givens started to come into their own. It never hurts to have a receiver that works hard, knows the system, and can stretch the field.

He can also run and throw for touchdowns as well. In the same game .

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Patten's Game Logs...

2004

+----------+--------+-------------+----+
| WK      OPP  | REC  YD  | TD |
+----------+--------+-------------+----+
|  1      ind  | 4    86  |  1 |
|  2      ari  | 2    39  |  0 |
|  4      buf  | 5   113  |  1 |
|  5      mia  | 1    28  |  0 |
|  6      sea  | 5    58  |  1 |
|  7      nyj  | 3    33  |  1 |
|  8      pit  | 4    39  |  0 |
|  9      ram  | 2    34  |  0 |
| 10      buf  | 3    43  |  1 |
| 11      kan  | 1    46  |  0 |
| 12      bal  | 1    37  |  0 |
| 13      cle  | 3    74  |  1 |
| 14      cin  | 5   107  |  1 |
| 15      mia  | 4    40  |  0 |
| 17      sfo  | 1    23  |  0 |
| AFC DIV ind  | 1    12  |  0 |
| AFC CHP pit  | 1     8  |  0 |
---------------------+----------
+----------+--------+-------------+----+
|  TOTAL   |    46   820  |  7 |
+----------+--------+-------------+----+

2003

+----------+--------+-------------+----+
| WK      OPP  | REC  YD | TD |
+----------+--------+-------------+----+
|  1      buf  | 2    48  |  0 |
|  2      phi  | 2     4  |  0 |
|  3      nyj  | 1    20  |  0 |
|  5      ten  | 1    13  |  0 |
|  6      nyg  | 3    55  |  0 |
---------------------+----------
+----------+--------+-------------+----+
|  TOTAL   |     9   140  |  0 |
+----------+--------+-------------+----+

2002

+----------+--------+-------------+----+
| WK      OPP  | REC  YD  | TD |
+----------+--------+-------------+----+
|  1      pit  | 4    70  |  0 |
|  2      nyj  | 4    65  |  0 |
|  3      kan  | 7   108  |  1 |
|  4      sdg  | 7    95  |  0 |
|  5      mia  | 5   102  |  2 |
|  6      gnb  | 2    18  |  0 |
|  9      buf  | 6    88  |  0 |
| 10      chi  | 4    51  |  1 |
| 11      oak  | 2    16  |  0 |
| 12      min  | 5    62  |  0 |
| 13      det  | 2    36  |  0 |
| 14      buf  | 2    14  |  1 |
| 15      ten  | 1     5  |  0 |
| 16      nyj  | 5    38  |  0 |
| 17      mia  | 5    56  |  0 |
---------------------+----------
+----------+--------+-------------+----+
|  TOTAL   |    61   824  |  5 |
+----------+--------+-------------+----+

2001

+----------+--------+-------------+----+
| WK       OPP  | REC  YD  | TD |
+----------+--------+-------------+----+
|  1       cin  | 3    47  |  0 |
|  2       nyj  | 5    53  |  0 |
|  3       ind  | 1    17  |  0 |
|  4       mia  | 1    10  |  0 |
|  5       sdg  | 7    73  |  0 |
|  6       ind  | 4   117  |  3 |
|  7       den  | 5    62  |  1 |
|  8       atl  | 3    40  |  0 |
|  9       buf  | 1    26  |  0 |
| 10       ram  | 2    37  |  1 |
| 11       nor  | 3    47  |  0 |
| 12       nyj  | 6    60  |  0 |
| 13       cle  | 3    41  |  0 |
| 14       buf  | 3    65  |  0 |
| 17       car  | 4    54  |  0 |
| AFC DIV  oak  | 8   107  |  0 |
| AFC CHP  pit  | 4    39  |  1 |
| SB XXXVI ram  | 1     8  |  1 |
---------------------+----------
+----------+--------+-------------+----+
|  TOTAL    |    64   903  |  7 |
+----------+--------+-------------+----+

Patten had some good games for us, but he had many games where he disappeared. At this point of his career, I wouldn't bring him back unless injury ravaged our WR corps.

 

[VJCPatriot]

David Patten... humm. For vet min? Absolutely I'd like him back.

First of all he KNOWS the offensive system already.
Secondly we know what we're getting.
Thirdly he adds depth to a WR situation that was looking a bit murky. Do you really want to HAVE to depend on BJ 'getting it' this year? I don't.

I think if you add Patten to the mix it doesn't do anything but make your team better. BJ was already on the bubble, and he'd still have a chance to compete, it's just he'd have to beat out one more guy. If he can't beat out Patten it's his own damn fault. And I'd rather have Patten in that case anyways because the coaching stuff would have judged he was a better player than BJ.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

He can also run and throw for touchdowns as well. In the same game .

That was a thing of beauty too. Wasn't it the longest TD pass in club history at least at the time?

There you go: veteran, short guy, knows how to scramble, good arm, clutch..... who needs a #3 QB when your #5 WR can multi-task.

 

[smg93]

Patten's Game Logs...

2004

+----------+--------+-------------+----+
| WK      OPP  | REC  YD  | TD |
+----------+--------+-------------+----+
|  1      ind  | 4    86  |  1 |
|  2      ari  | 2    39  |  0 |
|  4      buf  | 5   113  |  1 |
|  5      mia  | 1    28  |  0 |
|  6      sea  | 5    58  |  1 |
|  7      nyj  | 3    33  |  1 |
|  8      pit  | 4    39  |  0 |
|  9      ram  | 2    34  |  0 |
| 10      buf  | 3    43  |  1 |
| 11      kan  | 1    46  |  0 |
| 12      bal  | 1    37  |  0 |
| 13      cle  | 3    74  |  1 |
| 14      cin  | 5   107  |  1 |
| 15      mia  | 4    40  |  0 |
| 17      sfo  | 1    23  |  0 |
| AFC DIV ind  | 1    12  |  0 |
| AFC CHP pit  | 1     8  |  0 |
---------------------+----------
+----------+--------+-------------+----+
|  TOTAL   |    46   820  |  7 |
+----------+--------+-------------+----+

2003

+----------+--------+-------------+----+
| WK      OPP  | REC  YD | TD |
+----------+--------+-------------+----+
|  1      buf  | 2    48  |  0 |
|  2      phi  | 2     4  |  0 |
|  3      nyj  | 1    20  |  0 |
|  5      ten  | 1    13  |  0 |
|  6      nyg  | 3    55  |  0 |
---------------------+----------
+----------+--------+-------------+----+
|  TOTAL   |     9   140  |  0 |
+----------+--------+-------------+----+

2002

+----------+--------+-------------+----+
| WK      OPP  | REC  YD  | TD |
+----------+--------+-------------+----+
|  1      pit  | 4    70  |  0 |
|  2      nyj  | 4    65  |  0 |
|  3      kan  | 7   108  |  1 |
|  4      sdg  | 7    95  |  0 |
|  5      mia  | 5   102  |  2 |
|  6      gnb  | 2    18  |  0 |
|  9      buf  | 6    88  |  0 |
| 10      chi  | 4    51  |  1 |
| 11      oak  | 2    16  |  0 |
| 12      min  | 5    62  |  0 |
| 13      det  | 2    36  |  0 |
| 14      buf  | 2    14  |  1 |
| 15      ten  | 1     5  |  0 |
| 16      nyj  | 5    38  |  0 |
| 17      mia  | 5    56  |  0 |
---------------------+----------
+----------+--------+-------------+----+
|  TOTAL   |    61   824  |  5 |
+----------+--------+-------------+----+

2001

+----------+--------+-------------+----+
| WK       OPP  | REC  YD  | TD |
+----------+--------+-------------+----+
|  1       cin  | 3    47  |  0 |
|  2       nyj  | 5    53  |  0 |
|  3       ind  | 1    17  |  0 |
|  4       mia  | 1    10  |  0 |
|  5       sdg  | 7    73  |  0 |
|  6       ind  | 4   117  |  3 |
|  7       den  | 5    62  |  1 |
|  8       atl  | 3    40  |  0 |
|  9       buf  | 1    26  |  0 |
| 10       ram  | 2    37  |  1 |
| 11       nor  | 3    47  |  0 |
| 12       nyj  | 6    60  |  0 |
| 13       cle  | 3    41  |  0 |
| 14       buf  | 3    65  |  0 |
| 17       car  | 4    54  |  0 |
| AFC DIV  oak  | 8   107  |  0 |
| AFC CHP  pit  | 4    39  |  1 |
| SB XXXVI ram  | 1     8  |  1 |
---------------------+----------
+----------+--------+-------------+----+
|  TOTAL    |    64   903  |  7 |
+----------+--------+-------------+----+

Patten had some good games for us, but he had many games where he disappeared. At this point of his career, I wouldn't bring him back unless injury ravaged our WR corps.

Interesting. According to these stats, save for 2003 he actually played pretty well. Looks like he was more productive than David Givens from a purely statistical point of view.

 

[patchick]

Not sure if you are joking or not. The fact that other WRs were failures does not mean that Patten wasn't "made" by Brady.

It just means that Brady can't "make" everyone into a starting WR.

Only partly joking. Has Patten been vastly more productive with Brady than other QBs in his career? Absolutely. But Brady doesn't make every receiver better, and what the Patriots need is receivers who can perform for the Patriots. Last year's receiving corps proved that isn't necessarily an easy thing to find. If he's available at camp time, he'd at least be solid competition at the end of the roster.

 

[spacecrime]

Only partly joking. Has Patten been vastly more productive with Brady than other QBs in his career? Absolutely. But Brady doesn't make every receiver better

of course not. That was actually my point - I just didn't make it well. Whether Patten was "amde" by Brdy has nothing to do with whether Terrell or BJ or PK could not be "made" by Brady.

 

[mgteich]

To me it is a no-brainer.

We need to bring someone (or two or three) to compete with Caldwell, Bethel, and Childress for roster spots and playing time. We presume the health of Branch and Troy Brown.

Is Patten worthy of bringing in? Presuming a physical, Patten has to be better than Bethel and Childress and may be as good as Caldwell.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Interesting. According to these stats, save for 2003 he actually played pretty well. Looks like he was more productive than David Givens from a purely statistical point of view.

Givens will be one of the worst FA moves in 2006. I'm happy for him that he got his money, but the Titans will suffer.

 

[JackBauer]

I don't care if they want to bring him in for competition, but I doubt he makes the final 53.

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

Patten had one good year for the Pats in 2001. However, he was an overachiever. The Pats picked him off the scrap heap and we basically got lucky with him. In truth, Patten is strictly a deep, over-the-shoulder WR with excellent straight line speed. Similar to Andre Davis. However he's not physical and rarely catches balls in traffic. The Pats didn't want him back when his contract was up and the Skins overpaid for his services. He did next to nothing for them before his knee injury. Immediately after the FA period, the Skins traded for Brandon Lloyd and signed FA Antwan Randle El. With Santana Moss, that moves Patten to # 4 on the WR depth chart, at best. That and Patten's $1mil+ salary, make him a lock to get cut. Don't expect the Pats to take any interest when Patten becomes available.

He's got a few decent red zone routes he runs as well... better than some of our other players... I'm sure you remember some of those great catches he made toward the back corner of the endzone after juking his coverage.

 

[SamBamsFan]

I don't care if they want to bring him in for competition, but I doubt he makes the final 53.

I believe that everyone wrote him off in the 2003- 2004 training camps as well. Like the poster above, I liked his red zone routes & think he could find a place on this team.