Danny Amendola 2014

[Brady6]

Are you seriously going to argue this? Do you think the Pats would have said "we can take the over $11 million cap hit over the next two years for cutting Hernandez" if he was just under performing rather than killing one of his friends? Do you think the Pats would have cut Fanene if they didn't think they could recoup some or all of the bonus money paid out in a grievance?

Your argument failed because you took situations with extraordinary circumstances and other situations with players cut with much less dead money and trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

No I don’t think that’s what he wanted, but I think Belichick and Kraft did with the Hernandez situation what they do with all player personnel decisions which are to do what is best for the team. If walking away from Amendola or any player is considered to be the best move in their minds this offseason they will do so regardless if they count for $25 million against the cap or $500 against the cap.

Also I am not making any argument I put a list of players that count for $1 million or more on the 2013 cap, you’ve taken that list and let your imagination run amuck and created this argument on my behalf. You can keep arguing with me I will be here let me know how if I win or lose when you have finished :argue:

 

[RayClay]

My vendetta :lol2: you take this game way to seriously, you know sports are supposed to be fun and being a fan is supposed to enjoyable right? I do not have any vendetta, I just don’t believe that Belichick lets the salary cap dictate who he keeps if they’re underperforming. If Belichick based things on salary cap figures you’d see the following:

Kyle Arrington starting over Dennard at right cornerback
Logan Ryan starting over Dennard at right cornerback
Tavon Wilson ahead of Harmon on the depth chart
Josh Boyce ahead of Thompkins on the depth chart
Will Svitek starting over Cannon at right tackle
Leon Washington would be our #1 RB
Jake Bequette would be ahead of Andre Carter and Michael Buchanan

These are all the players that affected our cap in 2013:

Status Player Salary Signing Bonus Offseason Workout Bonus 2013 Cap Hit 2014 Cap Hit
Waived Aaron Hernandez $984,000 $2,550,000 $232,800 $3,776,800 $7,500,000
Released Brandon Lloyd $3,500,000 $3,500,000
Released Jonathan Fanene $2,566,667 $2,566,667
Released Chad Johnson $1,583,334 $1,583,334
Waived Ras-I Dowling $351,377 $589,382 $125,000 $1,065,759 $589,382
Released Leon Washington $360,000 $360,000
Reached Injury Settlement Jermaine Cunningham $37,059 $309,375 $346,434
Released Daniel Fells $333,333 $333,333 $333,334
Waived Sergio Brown $250,000 $250,000
Waived Brandon Deaderick $250,000 $250,000
Released Kyle Love $250,000 $250,000
Released Dan Koppen $175,000 $175,000
Reached Injury Settlement Anthony Rashad White $169,412 $169,412
Released Jabar Gaffney $125,000 $125,000
Released Spencer Larsen $125,000 $125,000
Reached Injury Settlement Brandon Ford $101,647 $1,000 $102,647 $2,000
Released Lavelle Hawkins $75,000 $25,000 $100,000 $75,000
Reached Injury Settlement Chris McDonald $67,765 $1,666 $69,431 $3,334
Reached Injury Settlement R.J. Mattes $67,765 $67,765
Reached Injury Settlement Johnathan Haggerty $50,824 $50,824
Waived Zoltan Mesko $46,814 $46,814
Waived Jeremy Ebert $36,150 $36,150
Reached Injury Settlement Justin Francis $35,647 $2,333 $37,980 $2,334
Reached Injury Settlement Kamar Aiken $35,648 $35,648
Released Nick McDonald $6,668 $20,000 $26,668
Waived Braxston Cave $23,824 $23,824
Released Michael Jenkins $15,000 $15,000
Released Marquise Cole $15,000 $15,000
Waived Jeremiah Warren $12,000 $12,000
Waived Josh Kline $10,000 $1,333 $11,333 $2,667
Waived Mike Rivera $10,000 $10,000
Traded Jeff Demps $7,334 $7,334
Waived Marcus Forston $6,667 $6,667
Waived Kanorris Davis $5,000 $1,666 $6,666 $3,334
Waived Ben Bartholomew $3,333 $3,333 $6,667
Waived Matt Stankiewitch $2,500 $833 $3,333 $1,667
Waived Kyle Hix $3,000 $3,000
Waived Brad Herman $1,667 $1,667
Waived Dewayne Cherrington $1,000 $333 $1,333 $667
Waived Brandon Jones $1,166 $1,166 $2,334
Waived Mike Zupanic $666 $666 $1,334

Good meltdown.

 

[Ring 6]

My vendetta :lol2: you take this game way to seriously, you know sports are supposed to be fun and being a fan is supposed to enjoyable right? I do not have any vendetta, I just don’t believe that Belichick lets the salary cap dictate who he keeps if they’re underperforming. If Belichick based things on salary cap figures you’d see the following:

Kyle Arrington starting over Dennard at right cornerback
Logan Ryan starting over Dennard at right cornerback
Tavon Wilson ahead of Harmon on the depth chart
Josh Boyce ahead of Thompkins on the depth chart
Will Svitek starting over Cannon at right tackle
Leon Washington would be our #1 RB
Jake Bequette would be ahead of Andre Carter and Michael Buchanan

These are all the players that affected our cap in 2013:

StatusPlayerSalarySigning BonusOffseason Workout Bonus2013 Cap Hit2014 Cap Hit
WaivedAaron Hernandez$984,000 $2,550,000 $232,800 $3,776,800 $7,500,000
ReleasedBrandon Lloyd$3,500,000 $3,500,000
ReleasedJonathan Fanene$2,566,667 $2,566,667
ReleasedChad Johnson$1,583,334 $1,583,334
WaivedRas-I Dowling$351,377 $589,382 $125,000 $1,065,759 $589,382
ReleasedLeon Washington$360,000 $360,000
Reached Injury SettlementJermaine Cunningham$37,059 $309,375 $346,434
ReleasedDaniel Fells$333,333 $333,333 $333,334
WaivedSergio Brown$250,000 $250,000
WaivedBrandon Deaderick$250,000 $250,000
ReleasedKyle Love$250,000 $250,000
ReleasedDan Koppen$175,000 $175,000
Reached Injury SettlementAnthony Rashad White$169,412 $169,412
ReleasedJabar Gaffney$125,000 $125,000
ReleasedSpencer Larsen$125,000 $125,000
Reached Injury SettlementBrandon Ford$101,647 $1,000 $102,647 $2,000
ReleasedLavelle Hawkins$75,000 $25,000 $100,000 $75,000
Reached Injury SettlementChris McDonald$67,765 $1,666 $69,431 $3,334
Reached Injury SettlementR.J. Mattes$67,765 $67,765
Reached Injury SettlementJohnathan Haggerty$50,824 $50,824
WaivedZoltan Mesko$46,814 $46,814
WaivedJeremy Ebert$36,150 $36,150
Reached Injury SettlementJustin Francis$35,647 $2,333 $37,980 $2,334
Reached Injury SettlementKamar Aiken$35,648 $35,648
ReleasedNick McDonald$6,668 $20,000 $26,668
WaivedBraxston Cave$23,824 $23,824
ReleasedMichael Jenkins$15,000 $15,000
ReleasedMarquise Cole$15,000 $15,000
WaivedJeremiah Warren$12,000 $12,000
WaivedJosh Kline$10,000 $1,333 $11,333 $2,667
WaivedMike Rivera$10,000 $10,000
TradedJeff Demps$7,334 $7,334
WaivedMarcus Forston$6,667 $6,667
WaivedKanorris Davis$5,000 $1,666 $6,666 $3,334
WaivedBen Bartholomew$3,333 $3,333 $6,667
WaivedMatt Stankiewitch$2,500 $833 $3,333 $1,667
WaivedKyle Hix$3,000 $3,000
WaivedBrad Herman$1,667 $1,667
WaivedDewayne Cherrington$1,000 $333 $1,333 $667
WaivedBrandon Jones$1,166 $1,166 $2,334
WaivedMike Zupanic$666 $666 $1,334

What in the world are you talking about?

 

[Brady6]

Good meltdown.

Meltdown? OK you and I clearly aren’t having the same discussion so I am going to move on now because I think you have some things you need to work out on your own. Good day sir!

 

[Brady6]

What in the world are you talking about?

I am pointing out the players cap figures do not determine their roles or whether they’re part of the teams rosters. Belichick will make the decision he feels is best for the team no matter what the salary cap implications are at the time.

 

[Brady6]

Perhaps you should start 10 or 12 new worthless threads now instead of commenting anymore in this one.

Thank you for the advice. Enjoy the rest of your weekend Mr. Moosekill :kiss2:

 

[borg]

Option 4: Rotational WR depending on which diminutive fragile glass-like player (JE/DA)) was duck-taped up the best to play that day

 

[Rob0729]

No I don’t think that’s what he wanted, but I think Belichick and Kraft did with the Hernandez situation what they do with all player personnel decisions which are to do what is best for the team. If walking away from Amendola or any player is considered to be the best move in their minds this offseason they will do so regardless if they count for $25 million against the cap or $500 against the cap.

Also I am not making any argument I put a list of players that count for $1 million or more on the 2013 cap, you’ve taken that list and let your imagination run amuck and created this argument on my behalf. You can keep arguing with me I will be here let me know how if I win or lose when you have finished :argue:

Good that we can both agree you aren't making any argument because basically using the fact that the Pats cut an alleged mass murder as proof the Pats will do whatever is best for the team is a ridiculous argument.

 

[Rob0729]

I am pointing out the players cap figures do not determine their roles or whether they’re part of the teams rosters. Belichick will make the decision he feels is best for the team no matter what the salary cap implications are at the time.

Except you did not point to one example remotely close to Amendola's situation and/or cap hit. One million dollars of dead cap space is nothing and a fraction of Amendola's cap hit if cut.

 

[Brady6]

Good that we can both agree you aren't making any argument because basically using the fact that the Pats cut an alleged mass murder as proof the Pats will do whatever is best for the team is a ridiculous argument.

I just listed Hernandez because he was on the list I didn’t want to leave him off because that could be perceived as my trying to sway people in a different manner.

He is an alleged murderer in Mass, but he is actually not an alleged mass murderer. He is charged with 1 count of murderer, the other indictment has yet to be filed or they were unable to provide the grand jury with the evidence needed to get an indictment. Off topic a lot of experts have started to shift their opinion and suggest Hernandez will not be convicted, I find that to be interesting, he is trail will almost certainly be one of the most interesting news stories of 2014.

 

[Brady6]

Except you did not point to one example remotely close to Amendola's situation and/or cap hit. One million dollars of dead cap space is nothing and a fraction of Amendola's cap hit if cut.

I didn’t get into any numbers, I just highlighted that we move away from players despite their cap impact for a magnitude of reasons therefore people should not hang their hat on the idea that Amendola is certain to be back because of his salary cap implications, if Danny is back its because Bill wants him here otherwise he will be on the next flight out of here lane:

 

[Miguel]

FYI - $2 million of his 2014 salary is fully guaranteed meaning that if released his 2014 cap hit would actually increase from its present value of $4,543,750 to $6,800,000. Plus, another player would replace DA in the Top 51 list.

 

[Ring 6]

I am pointing out the players cap figures do not determine their roles or whether they’re part of the teams rosters. Belichick will make the decision he feels is best for the team no matter what the salary cap implications are at the time.

No you are pointing out that rosters go to 90 then are cut to 53 and every player that doesn't make the cut has a dead money hit.

 

[Rob0729]

I didn’t get into any numbers, I just highlighted that we move away from players despite their cap impact for a magnitude of reasons therefore people should not hang their hat on the idea that Amendola is certain to be back because of his salary cap implications, if Danny is back its because Bill wants him here otherwise he will be on the next flight out of here lane:

You argued that since the Pats took a dead money hit of $1 million for a guy like Ras I Dowling (which had minimal impact on their cap number) as proof that they would certainly take a $6.8 million dead money hit for Amendola.

As Miguel points out, Two million of $3 million of Amendola's 2014 salary is fully guaranteed. Why would the Pats cut a guy and pay him him 2/3 of his base salary unless he gave them actually no value whatsoever? The fact that 2/3 of Amendola's salary is 100% guaranteed in 2014 means that he is a virtual lock for the 2014 roster.

You can fantasize about Amendola being cut in the offseason. But the reality is that he is almost guaranteed a roster spot in 2014. Unless he gets IRed, he will be final 53 man roster. Any other argument against it is just wishful thinking on your part.

 

[moosekill]

Perhaps a thread comparing Danny and Tim Tebow!

 

[Rob0729]

Perhaps a thread comparing Danny and Tim Tebow!

I think attacking Amendola is a round about way to still kill the Pats for not re-signing Welker without actually mentioning his name.

Amendola when healthy is a real threat that teams have to be concerned about. The question is whether he can stay healthy, be he deserves another year to prove that.

 

[mgteich]

Perhaps, he gets fewer reps in the slot than Edelman (not starting). Even then, he won't be released.

Starting for the Patriots or released?

 

[Archeryaddict12]

I think attacking Amendola is a round about way to still kill the Pats for not re-signing Welker without actually mentioning his name.

Amendola when healthy is a real threat that teams have to be concerned about. The question is whether he can stay healthy, be he deserves another year to prove that.

Edelman is finally on pace to finish a season healthy (knock on wood). Amendola finished his first 2 seasons healthy. He can do it, he just has to reduce those big hits.

Amendola will stay. I hope Jules does to. We know that when both are healthy, they are tough for defenses to cover with our other weapons.

 

[PatsDeb]

I think he'll be there, starting, as the Pats are enticed by his possibilities and they won't want to give up on him after one injury plagued year. The question is whether next year will be the same as this one, with an injury early on and unrealized potential the result. If that happens again, I predict he won't be on the team two years from now.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I don’t think that Amendola having the cap hit that he does assure him a place on this team. We have cut players before that underperformed even it resulted in short term cap hit, these players all had $1 million plus hits against our 2013 cap and did not make the roster:

Aaron Hernandez
Brandon Lloyd
Jonathan Fanene
Adrian Wilson (IR)
Chad Johnson
Ras-I Dowling

If Belichick is not the type to be handcuffed by a cap number.

Aaron Hernandez is sui generis.

Amendola would cost an extra $3M if cut next year, and that has to be part of the calculus next year.