Cutdown Day: PATS DISCUSSION thread

[Rob0729]

That's not addressing it, Rob. That's hoping he won't get hurt and making up rationales.

He hasn't missed a game in two years even though he has played far more. I am not addressing the issue because it isn't nearly as big as you are making it. If he was still missing game over the past two years, it would be a far bigger issue.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Zolak seems to think they are keeping Kettani.

I'm fine with him on the PS but is his lead blocking really strong enough to justify a spot on the 53? Is Zo just speculating here? I suspect that they could find a better blocking FB on the waiver wire.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Zolak seems to think they are keeping Kettani.

Given BB's role in Kettani's release from his Navy commitment, I'm not surprised.

 

[Deus Irae]

He hasn't missed a game in two years even though he has played far more. I am not addressing the issue because it isn't nearly as big as you are making it. If he was still missing game over the past two years, it would be a far bigger issue.

I thought you wanted to be serious with this discussion. If I'd known this was an attempt at comedy, I'd have given different responses.

My mistake.

 

[Rob0729]

I thought you wanted to be serious with this discussion. If I'd known this was an attempt at comedy, I'd have given different responses.

My mistake.

Ok, let's put our head in the sand and ignore the last two year and admit that Lloyd has never played a full season. The last two years are totally irrelevant. In fact, they are further proof that he is due a big injury to make up for the last few years.

Sorry, if he hadn't had two injury free seasons, I would be far more concerned. There has been examples of players who have had injury problems earlier in their career and not later. Who knows why he had them early and not later. Maybe he is better conditioned. Maybe he has matured and learned to play through nagging injuries. Maybe he was just lucky.

Leaving the WR back up position thin for a few games is not the end of the world. If you are talking two months, that is a different thing. Lloyd has shown the last two years that he isn't a piece of china that breaks at first contact. The odds are good he can survive two games without Gaffney to back him up.

 

[Deus Irae]

Ok, let's put our head in the sand and ignore the last two year and admit that Lloyd has never played a full season. The last two years are totally irrelevant. In fact, they are further proof that he is due a big injury to make up for the last few years.

Sorry, if he hadn't had two injury free seasons, I would be far more concerned. There has been examples of players who have had injury problems earlier in their career and not later. Who knows why he had them early and not later. Maybe he is better conditioned. Maybe he has matured and learned to play through nagging injuries. Maybe he was just lucky.

No, Rob, let's pretend that a broken collarbone was just his way of loafing. Let's pretend that it was loafing that caused him to miss all that time in Denver and endeared him to McDaniels.

When it comes to head in the sand here, you're the one who's doing the ostrich.

This is a waste of time. You're not even trying to be rational at this point.

 

[neuronet]

Waiving versus cutting versus releasing? Anyone know the difference?

 

[ivanvamp]

Brandon Lloyd's games played, career:

2003 - 16
2004 - 13
2005 - 16
2006 - 15
2007 - 8
2008 - 11
2009 - 2
2010 - 16
2011 - 15

One year where he missed almost the entire season, another where he missed half the season, and two more where he missed a handful of games. 5 of the 9 seasons he has played 15 or 16 games.

Those are the facts. What do they tell us? Who knows. He might get hurt (he's been hurt before so it wouldn't surprise anyone if he gets hurt again). Or he might not (most of his seasons in the NFL he's been basically injury-free, so it shouldn't surprise anyone if he doesn't get hurt).

I'm very hopeful they are going after some more WR depth.

 

[ATippett56]

6 cuts down, 16 to go

Hoyer
Branch
Koppen
Ihedigbo
Lavarias
Martin

 

[Deus Irae]

....I'm very hopeful they are going after some more WR depth.

Well, some WR (and RB) news here:

Brandon Bolden and Jeremy Ebert suited up and headed to practice this afternoon.

https://twitter.com/tomecurran/statuses/241618642050117633

 

[Rob0729]

No, Rob, let's pretend that a broken collarbone was just his way of loafing. Let's pretend that it was loafing that caused him to miss all that time in Denver and endeared him to McDaniels.

When it comes to head in the sand here, you're the one who's doing the ostrich.

You are talking one of his injuries.

Yes, I am an ostrich and don't realize that if the Pats have to wait until game 3 or even game 4 to get Gaffney to back up Lloyd, Lloyd is defiintely going to have a major injury and the Pats will be eliminated for playoff contention by October 1st.

We aren't talking leaving a back up WR position empty all season. I am talking a handful of games. Lloyd has been healthy for two complete years as a starter. Odds are good he will last the first month without missing time due to injury.

 

[BadMoFo]

I'm assuming this is good news for these two:

Tom E. Curran ?@tomecurran

Brandon Bolden and Jeremy Ebert suited up and headed to practice this afternoon. #sofarsogood #PatriotsTalk

 

[ATippett56]

I'm very hopeful they are going after some more WR depth.

The New England Patriots are currently wafer thin at the wide receiver position.

 

[Mack Herron]

6 cuts down, 16 to go

Hoyer
Branch
Koppen
Ihedigbo
Lavarias
Martin

correction: at least 16. I suspect we'll see a few more over hte next week, and a few more for the next few weeks. Early season rosters are very fluid.

 

[Rob0729]

Brandon Lloyd's games played, career:

2003 - 16
2004 - 13
2005 - 16
2006 - 15
2007 - 8
2008 - 11
2009 - 2
2010 - 16
2011 - 15

One year where he missed almost the entire season, another where he missed half the season, and two more where he missed a handful of games. 5 of the 9 seasons he has played 15 or 16 games.

Those are the facts. What do they tell us? Who knows. He might get hurt (he's been hurt before so it wouldn't surprise anyone if he gets hurt again). Or he might not (most of his seasons in the NFL he's been basically injury-free, so it shouldn't surprise anyone if he doesn't get hurt).

I'm very hopeful they are going after some more WR depth.

The question is in those early years, how many of those games was he a healthy scratch? He was pretty crappy for most of his career before McDaniels.

That said, other than a three year stretch, he hasn't been that injury prone. Four of his nine seasons, he didn't miss a game due to injuries and there are two other ones that could be on that list unless anyone knows for sure that those four games were missed due to injuries and not performance.

 

[Deus Irae]

You are talking one of his injuries...

No, I'm talking all his injuries. You're pretending you have insight into them when you don't.

Again, this is a waste of time. You're making a ridiculous argument, and you're doing it on an area of the team where I'd already said that I wouldn't be worrying about it (pitchfork committee) until after week 2.

 

[ivanvamp]

The New England Patriots are currently wafer thin at the wide receiver position.

Somewhat ironic, considering that they seemed to have a hundred guys in camp at that position.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

"There is no way that anyone can say that Ryan Mallett outplayed Hoyer this preseason"

- Greg Bedard, on 98.5


Bedard also says that he asked around and the Patriots did not try hard to trade him.

No wonder you post that quote.

It's the correct answer to the wrong question.

The real dilemma is, "based on actual events, who looks like they can lead the first string offense with a fully realized game plan against a first string defense."

 

[BadMoFo]

Hope he's back, need more leaders on this team.

shalise manza young ?@shalisemyoung

never forget being in locker room in 06 day after Pats traded @deionbranch84 - Richard Seymour had tears in his eyes. so respected by mates

 

[italian pat patriot]

i have to admit that Branch cut is, at least for me, unexpected

now let's see what happens...