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What are your thoughts here?

Ben Volin makes sense of a Revis possible trade. The Bucs have CAP but maybe holes from other positions need to be filled. I read through this and agreed that one player is not what they need. And Tampa 2 defense does not suit the Revis brand.

I think he costs a player and a pick but the Bucs lose a third round pick (rather than a fourth) if he stays and a signing bonus due the 13th.

"Patriots could decide to turn $10 million of Revis’s $13 million into bonus money, which would be spread over the final five years of his deal at $2 million per season.

That would put Revis’s 2014 salary cap number at $8 million — $3 million in base salary, $2 million bonus proration, $1.5 million roster bonus and $1.5 million workout bonus — which the Patriots easily could handle. The Patriots currently sit with $12.7 million in cap space for 2014, and can create an extra $9.2 million by cutting Dan Connolly, Isaac Sopoaga, Tommy Kelly, Adrian Wilson, and Jake Bequette. They can create even more space by giving contract extensions to Vince Wilfork, Devin McCourty, and Stephen Gostkowski."

It sucks but I would give the Bucs our second rounder (and hope we can get a pick from Mallett or Ridley trades) and we might have to give back a CB or Safety or a DE. We can dream Tavon Wilson, Bequett or even Buccannon, (they also need a slot WR badly......Amendola?) but they might want Logan Ryan according to Voiln. I am O.K. with that but know we need another CB in the Draft or....................

How about Brandon Browner? We lose him for the first four games but he is one of the top CBs in the league. He would come on a show me one year deal. CB Talib had issues. We took him. CB Dennard had issues and we took him. Even supposedly Mallett.

I was reading the Eagles are not a fit in 3-4 for Vinnie Curry. He had 4 sacks and 22 QB hurries in 2013 in a limited role. They are listening. We need a rotation DE and he is only 25. He is cheap in 2014 but costs a pick. Would you trade for him? He is 6'3" and 270lbs and some sack skills. Johnson, Bennett and Allen et.al will cost us in CAP.

We lose Talib but those three above make us better in 2014. Now get the injured guys back and a decent Draft for depth. Because the Draft has this depth, move Mallett and Ridley for picks.

I do not trust Dobson, Boyce or Thompkins. One might wind up to be O.K. The rest will fade. You need Edelman but not at $5mm per year. They still need a front line WR.

Sidney Rice is another who might come cheap and he is border line elite when healthy. A one year prove it?

If not another must have if he gets his head right is Jags WR Justin Blackmon who is only 25. His 2014 salary price is cheap. It is a gamble as is Browner.

We don't need a rehab facility here but we have had luck. Again the Jags need more players than Blackmon like a QB and a RB.........
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Very interesting scenarios that you present there DW. I will be curious to see how much of an effect the saga of inmate number 174594 has on the players that the Patriots go after this off-season.
 
I would do whatever it takes to get a D. Revis over A. Talib 10 out of 10 times. On Browner you have to wonder if the juice made him play as well as he did.
 
If the Patriots trade for Revis, I would welcome it. Obviously his cap # has to be reduced but that can be done by converting salary to bonuses, as stated in the OP. And I'd be more comfortable giving Revis the guaranteed money than Talib right now.

I saw Reiss today answer a mailbag question about trading for Revis and his thought was it doesn't make sense from a "human" aspect. That is, Revis didn't develop with NE and trading for him sends the wrong message to other players in the locker room. I say winning can take care of that. I believe NFL players recognize who's the best in the league and who should be compensated as such. He mentions about how Revis put himself above his team by holding out; Seymour, Wilfork, Mankins all did the same. Players deserve to get paid and Revis is about the best there is.
 
How about Brandon Browner? We lose him for the first four games but he is one of the top CBs in the league. He would come on a show me one year deal. CB Talib had issues. We took him. CB Dennard had issues and we took him. Even supposedly Mallett.

This SI.com article discussing the issues of signing FAs list these FAs with character flags

NFL free agency is about being cautions of risks and red flags | The MMQB with Peter King

"Character Flag: This group includes corners Vontae Davis and Aqib Talib, former Vikings defensive ends Everson Griffen and Jared Allen (regarded as a locker room lawyer, which isn’t great for a team wanting to bring him in as a veteran leader), running back LeGarrette Blount, linebacker Brandon Spikes and quarterback Josh Freeman."

In other words...the Pats will look under any rock, in any jail cell, on any suspended list....Gloves are off
 
Sidney Rice is another who might come cheap and he is border line elite when healthy.

Danny Amendola's played as many games as him since the start of 2010. If people are going to bang on Amendola, Rice is in the same category of the " he can't stay healthy"

And really one great season in '09 and he is borderline elite?
 
Sports media oh how I loathe you. And the top of the shyte pile lies Florio just making stuff up.

This story is so BS and unfounded and then Volin jumps on it and makes it seem so realistic a few months will go by and the stupid fan base will start blaming the team for not getting Revis like it was some light switch BB could just turn and magically make happen.


IMO and correct me if I am wrong the facts of the Revis story boil down to the Bucs not playing the right system for Revis skills and they may or may not have explored the possibility of trading him. From what I understand no real suitors have been reported and it isnt even clear how far the Bucs got in exploring the possibility. Then the only real link to the Patriots is that both the Pats and Denver have needs at CB. Which depending on Talib may or may not be true for us.


To me this would be the equivilant of some stupid hack reporter writing a story of McDonalds having intrest in Merging with Wendy's and then some schmuck going into Wendy's that same day and trying to buy a Big Mac. There may or may not be fire behind the smoke of this story but lets wait and see before we assume it as even a realistic option.
 
If someone told me that we'd have Browner and Revis in our starting defensive backfield in the AFC title game against Denver next season I would be dancing to Gino all day long
 
Revis could probably be had for a 3rd round pick...the best CB in the game for a 3rd with cap hits as reasonable as what Volin laid out? Sounds like a no brained really.

Here's a thought - wouldn't Revis & Talib as starting corners be better for the defense than one of those and Wilfork back on the DL? Get younger and more athletic at DT and the best CB pairing in the league manning the secondary.
 
Very interesting scenarios that you present there DW. I will be curious to see how much of an effect the saga of inmate number 174594 has on the players that the Patriots go after this off-season.

Perhaps. I would expect AH will make many teams pause. I don't know if these cats like Blackmon and Browner are to the inmate stage yet.

We also have Jace Amaro listed as our possible first round pick. Credit card fraud is not endearing and that is an inmate type deal.

These are for the most part stupid kids and athlete (jocks) that think they are entitled because they have been coddled all of their lives. They don't know that they are blessed. Browner gave a retort that was decent, about the NFL being a privilege not a right.....we'll see.

I'd give a low pick to Draft Colt Lerla but I don't know the Pats "sackagesphere" of that move.

Let's see if Dennard has learned a lesson. He had a touch of felony mixed (we Drafted him anyway)with a non sober experience. He checked off both boxes.

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I would do whatever it takes to get a D. Revis over A. Talib 10 out of 10 times. On Seattle you have to wonder if the juice made them play as well as they did.

Fixed it for you.
 
I would do whatever it takes to get a D. Revis over A. Talib 10 out of 10 times. On Browner you have to wonder if the juice made him play as well as he did.

We're equating marijuana with 'juice' now?
 
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