Chris Simms: Still not a top five species

[Pape]

I don't normally listen to announcers but I recently heard that he's gotten better there.

he's not a naturally glib person... he was a bit better, but he lacks the charisma the great announcers have/had

 

[upstater1]

I don’t get it with him. Look at any sport. Elway is the only guy who is in the average fans top 10 in any sport that you can’t point to SOME stat that makes you say “yeah I get that”

his era adjusted numbers and numbers adjusted to the league average quarterback are terrible compared to other all time greats. he has 5 SB appearances but 3 of those came in an atrocious AFC conference and the last 2 were more about Davis and that OL

it seems with Elway, it’s always all about his physical talent and Reeves screwing him over

100%. Exactly.

I will say that when he became weaker in his late 30s, only then did he become a good passer.

There was something very very wrong with his ability to throw the ball prior to that. He could've been a tight end or something like that.

 

[upstater1]

I could be misremembering, but even Brady said he wasn't the most naturally talented quarterback. But what he did with his talents blew away even the quarterbacks with more natural talent.

This is always a weird conversation because the best thing for a QB to have is natural arm talent. Brady had incredible arm talent, grew up playing catcher in baseball. ESPN did a sports science show that measured Brady's on field play and it said no one threw for more velocity in the entire league and no one had a stronger arm.

Do that mean Brady could throw the ball further than anyone else? Probably not (though he did throw the ball 80 yards at the end of the '07 loss to the Giants in the SB).

But what it does mean is that Brady combined a quick release, accuracy, and velocity, 3 physical talents, to throw the fastest ball in the NFL.

If I have the strongest arm in the NFL, but my release is slow, and I'm not very accurate, I'm going to need to take something off the ball when I throw. This is why game play is the only measurement for physical attributes. Can you throw bullets accurately? That's a matter of your release, your reads, and arm strength.

 

[Triumph]

Elway had the clutch gene and Ive never seen another QB like Elway roll to one side of the field and throw a dart across to a waiting receiver on the other sideline. Rumor is that Dan Reeves hated Elway and it was not until Mike Shanahan when Elway won Super Bowls.

 

[TheRainMaker]

The criteria for this list is the feeling of dread from players facing him and fans watching.

Manning: I think he’s too high, but that game in week 2 in Foxboro in 1999 had us all sweating it out. That was a warning he going to be a pain in the ass going forward. I think his best years were 1999-2005.

Mahomes: He’s was that guy and made us sweat in the 2018 AFCCG. He was not a QB you wanted to face since he’s been in the league. However, 2025 was rough for him and I see it continuing.

Rodgers: He was no doubt one of the best QB’s in the league dragged down by poor management, awful coaching and overmatched teams. He would’ve had multiple rings easily had GB taken things more seriously.

Elway: Mostly saw him when he was cooked and carried by Davis. He was on the brink of going without a Super Bowl ring before Davis, Rod Smith emerging and signing Neil Smith.

Favre: He had two years of dominance from 1996-1997. He was good in 1998 as long as they avoided Minnesota. 1999 was when he started getting sloppy. Like Rodgers, the organization wasn't doing him any favors with poor personnel moves and poor drafting.

Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson have no business being on this list. Allen is a really good QB, but I don't get that dread feeling mostly because he's been nerfed by management.

Marino: Like Elway, I mostly saw him when he was cooked in the mid to late 90’s.

Brady: You’re trolling if you don’t put him at #1. Starting in 2004, he became that guy teams and fans dreaded facing. I had friends celebrating when they lost in Denver in 2005 divisional. It got to a point in the 2007 where fans just started marking on their schedule an instant loss to the Pats.

Staubach: I never saw him play.

Who should’ve made the list:

Kurt Warner. He was badass from 1999-2001. Simms is off his rocker not including him.

 

[XLIX]

Still sharing his wisdom from beyond...

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Phil Simms...
That's all I need to say.

 

[Thelonious]

Yeah. This list is so deeply stupid it is difficult even to get mad about it. He may literally have to have his head examined. Rodgers, one of the greatest disappointments in league history, taking his career accomplishments as a whole, really stands out to me as weird at three. And however much man-crush types may ooo and ahh over his "arm talent," I might put Elway in the same category.

"You play to win the games." Tom won the games, whatever the stat floozies may say. He also regularly cleaned mannings clock in thr really critical games. I'd have him or Mahomes #2, maybe, but Tom should be #1.

 

[Thelonious]

Phil Simms...
That's all I need to say.

His shirts are really nice, and his hairdo is impeccable, but he looks like that scoutmaster you sort of wonder about or a ladies' shoe salesman (If you are old enough to remember shoe salesmen.) Now that I think of it, he'd have a real shot at winning the governor's race in California. He has all the qualifications they look for.

 

[p8ryts]

Brady, Unitas, Manning, Mahomes, Elway or Montana