Chris Simms: Still not a top five species

[Pape]

I don't normally listen to announcers but I recently heard that he's gotten better there.

he's not a naturally glib person... he was a bit better, but he lacks the charisma the great announcers have/had

 

[upstater1]

I don’t get it with him. Look at any sport. Elway is the only guy who is in the average fans top 10 in any sport that you can’t point to SOME stat that makes you say “yeah I get that”

his era adjusted numbers and numbers adjusted to the league average quarterback are terrible compared to other all time greats. he has 5 SB appearances but 3 of those came in an atrocious AFC conference and the last 2 were more about Davis and that OL

it seems with Elway, it’s always all about his physical talent and Reeves screwing him over

100%. Exactly.

I will say that when he became weaker in his late 30s, only then did he become a good passer.

There was something very very wrong with his ability to throw the ball prior to that. He could've been a tight end or something like that.

 

[upstater1]

I could be misremembering, but even Brady said he wasn't the most naturally talented quarterback. But what he did with his talents blew away even the quarterbacks with more natural talent.

This is always a weird conversation because the best thing for a QB to have is natural arm talent. Brady had incredible arm talent, grew up playing catcher in baseball. ESPN did a sports science show that measured Brady's on field play and it said no one threw for more velocity in the entire league and no one had a stronger arm.

Do that mean Brady could throw the ball further than anyone else? Probably not (though he did throw the ball 80 yards at the end of the '07 loss to the Giants in the SB).

But what it does mean is that Brady combined a quick release, accuracy, and velocity, 3 physical talents, to throw the fastest ball in the NFL.

If I have the strongest arm in the NFL, but my release is slow, and I'm not very accurate, I'm going to need to take something off the ball when I throw. This is why game play is the only measurement for physical attributes. Can you throw bullets accurately? That's a matter of your release, your reads, and arm strength.

 

[Triumph]

Elway had the clutch gene and Ive never seen another QB like Elway roll to one side of the field and throw a dart across to a waiting receiver on the other sideline. Rumor is that Dan Reeves hated Elway and it was not until Mike Shanahan when Elway won Super Bowls.

 

[TheRainMaker]

The criteria for this list is the feeling of dread from players facing him and fans watching.

Manning: I think he’s too high, but that game in week 2 in Foxboro in 1999 had us all sweating it out. That was a warning he going to be a pain in the ass going forward. I think his best years were 1999-2005.

Mahomes: He’s was that guy and made us sweat in the 2018 AFCCG. He was not a QB you wanted to face since he’s been in the league. However, 2025 was rough for him and I see it continuing.

Rodgers: He was no doubt one of the best QB’s in the league dragged down by poor management, awful coaching and overmatched teams. He would’ve had multiple rings easily had GB taken things more seriously.

Elway: Mostly saw him when he was cooked and carried by Davis. He was on the brink of going without a Super Bowl ring before Davis, Rod Smith emerging and signing Neil Smith.

Favre: He had two years of dominance from 1996-1997. He was good in 1998 as long as they avoided Minnesota. 1999 was when he started getting sloppy. Like Rodgers, the organization wasn't doing him any favors with poor personnel moves and poor drafting.

Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson have no business being on this list. Allen is a really good QB, but I don't get that dread feeling mostly because he's been nerfed by management.

Marino: Like Elway, I mostly saw him when he was cooked in the mid to late 90’s.

Brady: You’re trolling if you don’t put him at #1. Starting in 2004, he became that guy teams and fans dreaded facing. I had friends celebrating when they lost in Denver in 2005 divisional. It got to a point in the 2007 where fans just started marking on their schedule an instant loss to the Pats.

Staubach: I never saw him play.

Who should’ve made the list:

Kurt Warner. He was badass from 1999-2001. Simms is off his rocker not including him.

 

[XLIX]

Still sharing his wisdom from beyond...

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Phil Simms...
That's all I need to say.

 

[Thelonious]

Yeah. This list is so deeply stupid it is difficult even to get mad about it. He may literally have to have his head examined. Rodgers, one of the greatest disappointments in league history, taking his career accomplishments as a whole, really stands out to me as weird at three. And however much man-crush types may ooo and ahh over his "arm talent," I might put Elway in the same category.

"You play to win the games." Tom won the games, whatever the stat floozies may say. He also regularly cleaned mannings clock in thr really critical games. I'd have him or Mahomes #2, maybe, but Tom should be #1.

 

[Thelonious]

Phil Simms...
That's all I need to say.

His shirts are really nice, and his hairdo is impeccable, but he looks like that scoutmaster you sort of wonder about or a ladies' shoe salesman (If you are old enough to remember shoe salesmen.) Now that I think of it, he'd have a real shot at winning the governor's race in California. He has all the qualifications they look for.

 

[p8ryts]

Brady, Unitas, Manning, Mahomes, Elway or Montana

 

[borg]

When Brady first came here he appeared to be like Bobby Orr, great on and off the field. That wasn't really the case as we've found out.

The question is what happened to change him, or was he hiding that side of himself in the beginning?

It was always on display.

Huge social climber from the get-go who only dated celebrities, starting at the lower tier (Tara Reid) and then ascending briskly (Moynahan) before landing the reigning supermodel.
Post divorce, his celebrity love addiction is stronger than ever as is his quest to be the biggest/most visible celebrity out there.

Citizen Brady is an uber-narcissist.
It's quite fascinating to watch

Likely contract clause : "In every commercial, I must be referred to as GOAT or handsome, preferably both"

 

[1960Pats]

It was always on display.

Huge social climber from the get-go who only dated celebrities, starting at the lower tier (Tara Reid) and then ascending briskly (Moynahan) before landing the reigning supermodel.
Post divorce, his celebrity love addiction is stronger than ever as is his quest to be the biggest/most visible celebrity out there.

Citizen Brady is an uber-narcissist.
It's quite fascinating to watch

Likely contract clause : "In every commercial, I must be referred to as GOAT or handsome, preferably both"

I guess I just wanted to believe he was the next Orr. Boy was I off the mark.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

He wrote TB off as being past his prime years early. His reasoning, he can't be great forever, well he was great a lot longer than Simms rhought.

 

[XLIX]

Huge social climber from the get-go who only dated celebrities, starting at the lower tier (Tara Reid) and then ascending briskly (Moynahan) before landing the reigning supermodel.

So where's the problem? If I was Brady, that's who I'd be dating too. You think I'd go for some Eastie trash when the most glamorous women in Hollywood were throwing themselves at me?

 

[Give Kraft A Hand]

The anger and jealousy that Simms has towards Brady to this day needs to be studied

 

[TheRainMaker]

The anger and jealousy that Simms has towards Brady to this day needs to be studied

For anyone that is wondering, Simms has actually said on his podcasts that BB nerfed Brady by surrounding him with inferior talent. Simms was there for two seasons in the front office and felt bad for Tom with how BB went about building the team.

 

[XLIX]

The anger and jealousy that Simms has towards Brady to this day needs to be studied

 

[jdlboot14]

For anyone under 40, let me tell you...
I grew up watching Elway & Marino & Favre - the league was different then. But their arm talent was every bit as good as the modern era greats. Offenses weren't as sophisticated, and the rules weren't so pro-offense. But those guys were gritty, smart & had cannons.
Elway was my favorite QB for a while, until Bledsoe emerged in '94.

Simms is such a poser if he puts Mahomes at #2 all time. I think in 10 years from now, Mahomes won't even be on anyones top 10.

 

[TommyD4207]

Simms is such a poser if he puts Mahomes at #2 all time. I think in 10 years from now, Mahomes won't even be on anyones top 10.

I disagree, hes already had a better career than Peyton manning. Mahomes deserves to be high up on a top 10 list.

I think hes probably cooked and will have sort of a hanging on kind of finish to his career, but hes already accomplished more than most people on that list.

Elway's catching a lot of **** from people who either didn't see him, or more likely just jealous he beat the Patriots all the time. He did have the benefit of having so many home comebacks before people fully understood about playing at altitude.

 

[Patriot Missile]

This is the same guy that ranked Drake Maye at the bottom of his top 6 qbs.

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Can’t stand the guy. I think its funny that he’s a pretty good talent evaluator for most other positions except qb. Being a former QB you’d think he would be better, but he’s terrible. Also seems very spiteful towards the Pats.