DRAFT Chad Ryland - Round 4 - 112th overall

[DaBruinz]

In front of the entire world BB trades up for a probable UDFA kicker in the 4th round and I'm making a fool of myself on PatsFans.com. lol

HUH? Ryland was not a UDFA kicker, you complete moron. Seriously. Whatever you claim to use for draft resources is pure garbage and you should try other ones. The Athletic. The Draft Bible. Ourlads. NFLDraftScout.

 

[DaBruinz]

So ****ing what if he didn't? That would've been no loss, Whatsoever.

Who is going to do kickoffs because Folk doesn't have the leg for it???

 

[DaBruinz]

No **** Wozzy. But QB, WR, TE, RB, OL, DL, LB, DB are all more important. Sorry but trading up for a K in the 4th round is dumb. Or as someone else astutely pointed out... Belichick panicked.

You have no clue WTF you are talking about. If Belichick had "panicked" he'd have used the #107 on Ryland. You don't seem to realize that teams find out what other teams are looking to do in the draft all the time. Belichick likely moved up because the Pats found out that GB wanted Ryland with #116. Did you stop to think that the Patriots probably didn't want any of the OTHER kickers and felt that the value of moving up to 112 far outweighed the value they were giving up?

What you are ignoring is that the Pats would have had 13 picks if they hadn't traded that 6th rounder. Then POS like you would have been complaining about BB only signing two UDFA.

The topic is the 4th round selection of Ryland. WTF do you think I'm talking about? And the fool here is you if you think this was a brilliant move by BB. Could have had Ryland or another similar K prospect in a later round.

There aren't any similar kickers to Ryland who were available later in the draft. That's what YOU don't comprehend. It's because YOU are the moron and you're insisting on spewing garbage in lame attempts to try and get people to believe you have a clue. You don't. You actually make Captain Stone and DWToys looks like the heads of MENSA with the BS you post.

 

[DaBruinz]

I have no words for this move… Just typical Bill Belichick… No one can even remotely understand what he’s doing here

PLENTY of people understand the move. Maybe you should try educating yourself with the idea that the draft sites are just guides. They are NOT Gospel.

 

[DaBruinz]

Yes it took more draft capital than everyone expected, but we ALL knew we were bringing in a kicker. Folk has been pretty good but he is up there and for some weird reason cannot do kickoffs despite the fact he has the leg to kick 50 yard field goals. So whatever and hopefully he makes the roster unlike the previous nazi.

Seriously. You are f'in clueless about Rohrwasser just as the mediots and woke dumbasses. He wasn't a Nazi and you're a POS for saying that he was.

 

[DaBruinz]

If Rohwasser was a WR, a DL, a CB, it wouldn't have mattered. He had association with the 3%'ers...Bob Kraft has spent a ton of $$$ for the Blue Square on Social Media and in the campaign to fight hate crimes, particularly against the Jewish Community. Does anyone really think he'd have someone on his team openly associated with a far-right militia?

*SMH* More people who don't know what they are talking about. Rohrwasser had nothing to do with a "far-right" militia. He got it because of the HISTORICAL reference.

 

[Zuma]

I mentioned this previously…I hated this pick because of moving up and burning a pick…not because it was the 4th round. I think there are valid arguments for and against this pick and forums are a good place to discuss this. The Patriots needed a kicker…period…how we got there with Ryland is absolutely a good discussion.

 

[DaBruinz]

Since when was a kicker a position of priority need heading into this draft? I know Bill has built a team with an objective of winning in the teens, where FGs will be important, but still.

When you don't have one to do kick-offs and the one that you do have can't reliably hit ones over 45 yards. The fact that you think field position means nothing in regards to the game speaks volumes about your lack of understanding of the game.

OMG if Belichick had drafted a kicker in the 3rd round then I really would have lost my mind.

How can you lose what you never had to begin with.

The difference with the 49ers is their quarterback (whoever it is) is already surrounded by an all star team. And their defense is excellent. So they can afford to WASTE a 3rd round pick on a kicker. Even though I give that pick an F too. Under no circumstances should a kicker be taken in the draft before the weekend. That's my rule.

No team can afford to "waste" a 3rd round draft choice. No one gives a flying F*** what your rule is. You're a nobody on a message board who's accomplished nothing in his life. You have ZERO understanding about the actual game of football. You're just another Fantasy Football stooge.

 

[Grogan14]

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[DaBruinz]

After the Rohrwasser debacle (5th round pick), my faith in BB's assessment of kickers has bottomed out.
Moody was universally viewed as far and away the best kicker in the draft and possibly a generational talent.

WOW. Where did you get that BOGUS information? Because it's no where close to being true. there were plenty of people who thought that Ryland was the best kicker. It was mentioned by the talking heads on the NFL broadcast during the draft.

The Patriots are likely going to need a great kicker because their offense is low octane and field goals for them may make the difference between a top 10 pick our making the playoffs.
In my view Patriots should have recognized and aggressively pursued Moody.
The lack of awareness that he might go in the bottom of third at the compensatory pick range was a failing for Patriots brass.
Given how important a top tier kicker is for Patriots (as opposed to teams like SF which should be able to score at will)....I think the Pats should have taken Moody in the third. Either with their own pick or trade down a few picks.
Question to ponder. Who will most likely have a bigger impact in next 2 years a top tier accurate kicker who is reliable and can do kickoffs or Marpu.

Could Rhyland be that guy..maybe? but likelihood of Moody being that guy is much higher

It's well known that the Patriots were rebuffed numerous times during the draft. How do you know they DIDN'T aggressively pursue Moody? How do you know that their calling around isn't what triggered San Fran to pull the trigger on Moody in the 3rd round?

 

[DaBruinz]

In front of the entire world BB trades up for a probable UDFA kicker in the 4th round and I'm making a fool of myself on PatsFans.com. lol

Correction:

In front of the entire world, BB trades up for a kicker that was going to be drafted regardless of what Lance Zeirlein of NFL.com claims. Dane Brugler had Ryland as a 6th/7th round pick. There were others that had Ryland rated over Moody.

Yes, Clawhammer, you are making a fool of yourself on Patsfans.com. You've been this way for years. Yet, you've still never provided a single shred of evidence that you've won anything in the NFL to support the idea that people should listen to you.

 

[DaBruinz]

Can you name anyone... a team executive from anywhere for example... who projected Ryland as a 4th round pick? And what other team(s) was sitting there in the 4th round ready to pounce on Ryland? That Belichick felt so compelled to trade up for him?

Green Bay was probably taking Ryland in the 4th. This was pointed out to you several times already. You've just chosen to ignore reality.

 

[1960Pats]

So ****ing what if he didn't? That would've been no loss, Whatsoever.

Since I never seen the kid kick a ball other than videos on Patsfans, I have to go by what I see and hear. He sounds like a decent pick.

 

[crawhammer]

LOL!! @DaBruinz YOU are a psychopath. Multiple posts of I hate you and hope that you die. Tantruming over a kicker.

HUH? Ryland was not a UDFA kicker, you complete moron.

Then POS like you would have been complaining about BB only signing two UDFA.

There aren't any similar kickers to Ryland who were available later in the draft. That's what YOU don't comprehend. It's because YOU are the moron and you're insisting on spewing garbage in lame attempts to try and get people to believe you have a clue. You don't.

No one gives a flying F*** what your rule is. You're a nobody on a message board who's accomplished nothing in his life. You have ZERO understanding about the actual game of football. You're just another Fantasy Football stooge.

Yes, Clawhammer, you are making a fool of yourself on Patsfans.com. You've been this way for years. Yet, you've still never provided a single shred of evidence that you've won anything in the NFL to support the idea that people should listen to you.

Let me educate you on recent history of kickers in the NFL draft (2001-2023).

In the last 23 drafts there have been 5890 players selected. 48 have been kickers, that's 0.8%... less than 1% of all players selected. 4 of those 48 kickers (including Rohrwasser) never played in an NFL game. An additional 11 appeared in 16 games or less... 1 season or less for their "careers." So only 33 kickers drafted in the last 23 years have made it past 1 season.

From the total of 48 kickers drafted, there have been 8 all pro selections (once by 6 different kickers and twice by 1). So 15% of drafted K's have been selected as an all pro.

A breakdown of round selected:

1st = 0
2nd = 2 (4%)
3rd = 2 (4%)
4th = 6 (13%)
5th = 12 (25%)
6th = 11 (23%)
7th = 15 (31%)

1st - 4th rounds (21%)
5th - 7th rounds (79%)

Here are the 10 kickers selected in rounds 1-4:

Pick #47 (2nd rd) Mike Nugent: 0 all pros & 0 pro bowls, never won a playoff game
Pick #59 (2nd rd) Robert Aguayo: played 1 season
Pick #65 (3rd rd) Nate Kaeding: 10-year career, 1x all pro, 2x pro bowl, 8 playoff games with a FG% of 53%
Pick #98 (4th rd) Bill Gramatica: 4-year career, 0 all pros & 0 pro bowls, never appeared in a postseason game
Pick #99 (3rd rd) Jake Moody: TBD
Pick #102 (4th rd) Jeff Chandler: 3-year career, total of 19 FGM for entire career
Pick #112 (4th rd) Chad Ryland: TBD
Pick #118 (4th rd) Stephen Gostkowski: 2x all pro, 4x pro bowl, 3x SB champ but with spotty numbers in last 3 SB appearances (4/6 XPA & 6/8 FGA)
Pick #120 (4th rd) Alex Henry: 4-year career, 0 all pros & 0 pro bowls, never won a playoff game
Pick #124 (4th rd) Cade York: Made 75% of FGA in 2022 rookie season (which ranked 30th in the NFL)

The most accomplished K in the history of the NFL is Adam Vinatieri, an UDFA.
Universally considered the current best K in the NFL, and the all time leader in FG%, Justin Tucker, an UDFA.

The moral to the story: Kickers are not worth early or mid round draft picks. In recent history, the majority of those drafted don't work out. You're just as likely to get a "useful" K in later rounds or through UDFA. Certainly there is no indication that trading up for a K in the 4th round would be warranted.

Conclusion: Belichick trading up for Ryland = highly probable bad decision

 

[rochrist]

LOL!! @DaBruinz YOU are a psychopath. Multiple posts of I hate you and hope that you die. Tantruming over a kicker.







Let me educate you on recent history of kickers in the NFL draft (2001-2023).

In the last 23 drafts there have been 5890 players selected. 48 have been kickers, that's 0.8%... less than 1% of all players selected. 4 of those 48 kickers (including Rohrwasser) never played in an NFL game. An additional 11 appeared in 16 games or less... 1 season or less for their "careers." So only 33 kickers drafted in the last 23 years have made it past 1 season.

From the total of 48 kickers drafted, there have been 8 all pro selections (once by 6 different kickers and twice by 1). So 15% of drafted K's have been selected as an all pro.

A breakdown of round selected:

1st = 0
2nd = 2 (4%)
3rd = 2 (4%)
4th = 6 (13%)
5th = 12 (25%)
6th = 11 (23%)
7th = 15 (31%)

1st - 4th rounds (21%)
5th - 7th rounds (79%)

Here are the 10 kickers selected in rounds 1-4:

Pick #47 (2nd rd) Mike Nugent: 0 all pros & 0 pro bowls, never won a playoff game
Pick #59 (2nd rd) Robert Aguayo: played 1 season
Pick #65 (3rd rd) Nate Kaeding: 10-year career, 1x all pro, 2x pro bowl, 8 playoff games with a FG% of 53%
Pick #98 (4th rd) Bill Gramatica: 4-year career, 0 all pros & 0 pro bowls, never appeared in a postseason game
Pick #99 (3rd rd) Jake Moody: TBD
Pick #102 (4th rd) Jeff Chandler: 3-year career, total of 19 FGM for entire career
Pick #112 (4th rd) Chad Ryland: TBD
Pick #118 (4th rd) Stephen Gostkowski: 2x all pro, 4x pro bowl, 3x SB champ but with spotty numbers in last 3 SB appearances (4/6 XPA & 6/8 FGA)
Pick #120 (4th rd) Alex Henry: 4-year career, 0 all pros & 0 pro bowls, never won a playoff game
Pick #124 (4th rd) Cade York: Made 75% of FGA in 2022 rookie season (which ranked 30th in the NFL)

The most accomplished K in the history of the NFL is Adam Vinatieri, an UDFA.
Universally considered the current best K in the NFL, and the all time leader in FG%, Justin Tucker, an UDFA.

The moral to the story: Kickers are not worth early or mid round draft picks. In recent history, the majority of those drafted don't work out. You're just as likely to get a "useful" K in later rounds or through UDFA. Certainly there is no indication that trading up for a K in the 4th round would be warranted.

Conclusion: Belichick trading up for Ryland = highly probable bad decision

Actually, the moral of the story is that contrary to your delusions, good kickers do not grow on trees.

 

[Ring 6]

LOL!! @DaBruinz YOU are a psychopath. Multiple posts of I hate you and hope that you die. Tantruming over a kicker.







Let me educate you on recent history of kickers in the NFL draft (2001-2023).

In the last 23 drafts there have been 5890 players selected. 48 have been kickers, that's 0.8%... less than 1% of all players selected. 4 of those 48 kickers (including Rohrwasser) never played in an NFL game. An additional 11 appeared in 16 games or less... 1 season or less for their "careers." So only 33 kickers drafted in the last 23 years have made it past 1 season.

From the total of 48 kickers drafted, there have been 8 all pro selections (once by 6 different kickers and twice by 1). So 15% of drafted K's have been selected as an all pro.

A breakdown of round selected:

1st = 0
2nd = 2 (4%)
3rd = 2 (4%)
4th = 6 (13%)
5th = 12 (25%)
6th = 11 (23%)
7th = 15 (31%)

1st - 4th rounds (21%)
5th - 7th rounds (79%)

Here are the 10 kickers selected in rounds 1-4:

Pick #47 (2nd rd) Mike Nugent: 0 all pros & 0 pro bowls, never won a playoff game
Pick #59 (2nd rd) Robert Aguayo: played 1 season
Pick #65 (3rd rd) Nate Kaeding: 10-year career, 1x all pro, 2x pro bowl, 8 playoff games with a FG% of 53%
Pick #98 (4th rd) Bill Gramatica: 4-year career, 0 all pros & 0 pro bowls, never appeared in a postseason game
Pick #99 (3rd rd) Jake Moody: TBD
Pick #102 (4th rd) Jeff Chandler: 3-year career, total of 19 FGM for entire career
Pick #112 (4th rd) Chad Ryland: TBD
Pick #118 (4th rd) Stephen Gostkowski: 2x all pro, 4x pro bowl, 3x SB champ but with spotty numbers in last 3 SB appearances (4/6 XPA & 6/8 FGA)
Pick #120 (4th rd) Alex Henry: 4-year career, 0 all pros & 0 pro bowls, never won a playoff game
Pick #124 (4th rd) Cade York: Made 75% of FGA in 2022 rookie season (which ranked 30th in the NFL)

The most accomplished K in the history of the NFL is Adam Vinatieri, an UDFA.
Universally considered the current best K in the NFL, and the all time leader in FG%, Justin Tucker, an UDFA.

The moral to the story: Kickers are not worth early or mid round draft picks. In recent history, the majority of those drafted don't work out. You're just as likely to get a "useful" K in later rounds or through UDFA. Certainly there is no indication that trading up for a K in the 4th round would be warranted.

Conclusion: Belichick trading up for Ryland = highly probable bad decision

You make an excellent case for trading up to get the right guy.

 

[crawhammer]

Actually, the moral of the story is that contrary to your delusions, good kickers do not grow on trees.

Delusions? I posted a bunch of facts, which you didn't even read because you can't be bothered with those. It's a common trait of IBWT.

And yes, if UDFA is the equivalent of growing on a tree, then kickers do.

You make an excellent case for trading up to get the right guy.

You're another one who doesn't bother with actual data. Your default position being IBWT. It's unbelievable that so many people still live on that side of the street.

 

[Ring 6]

You're another one who doesn't bother with actual data. Your default position being IBWT. It's unbelievable that so many people still live on that side of the street.

This is your answer every time you are wrong.
When the facts aren’t on your side, attack the person.
You are transparent.

And yes I will say siding more often with the greatest to ever hold the job is the correct side of the street to be on. You can’t see that because it conflicts with your agenda.

 

[DaBruinz]

LOL!! @DaBruinz YOU are a psychopath. Multiple posts of I hate you and hope that you die. Tantruming over a kicker.

You're the moron who filled up numerous pages with your garbage long before I chimed in. When @Ian takes the time to call you out on your garbage, you should probably take note. BTW, There was no tantruming on y part. That's you.

Let me educate you on recent history of kickers in the NFL draft (2001-2023).

You couldn't educate a kindergartner. Everything you posted below is completely irrelevant and has NOTHING to do with the Pats taking Ryland.

In the last 23 drafts there have been 5890 players selected. 48 have been kickers, that's 0.8%... less than 1% of all players selected. 4 of those 48 kickers (including Rohrwasser) never played in an NFL game. An additional 11 appeared in 16 games or less... 1 season or less for their "careers." So only 33 kickers drafted in the last 23 years have made it past 1 season.

From the total of 48 kickers drafted, there have been 8 all pro selections (once by 6 different kickers and twice by 1). So 15% of drafted K's have been selected as an all pro.

A breakdown of round selected:

1st = 0
2nd = 2 (4%)
3rd = 2 (4%)
4th = 6 (13%)
5th = 12 (25%)
6th = 11 (23%)
7th = 15 (31%)

1st - 4th rounds (21%)
5th - 7th rounds (79%)

Here are the 10 kickers selected in rounds 1-4:

Pick #47 (2nd rd) Mike Nugent: 0 all pros & 0 pro bowls, never won a playoff game
Pick #59 (2nd rd) Robert Aguayo: played 1 season
Pick #65 (3rd rd) Nate Kaeding: 10-year career, 1x all pro, 2x pro bowl, 8 playoff games with a FG% of 53%
Pick #98 (4th rd) Bill Gramatica: 4-year career, 0 all pros & 0 pro bowls, never appeared in a postseason game
Pick #99 (3rd rd) Jake Moody: TBD
Pick #102 (4th rd) Jeff Chandler: 3-year career, total of 19 FGM for entire career
Pick #112 (4th rd) Chad Ryland: TBD
Pick #118 (4th rd) Stephen Gostkowski: 2x all pro, 4x pro bowl, 3x SB champ but with spotty numbers in last 3 SB appearances (4/6 XPA & 6/8 FGA)
Pick #120 (4th rd) Alex Henry: 4-year career, 0 all pros & 0 pro bowls, never won a playoff game
Pick #124 (4th rd) Cade York: Made 75% of FGA in 2022 rookie season (which ranked 30th in the NFL)

The most accomplished K in the history of the NFL is Adam Vinatieri, an UDFA.
Universally considered the current best K in the NFL, and the all time leader in FG%, Justin Tucker, an UDFA.

The moral to the story: Kickers are not worth early or mid round draft picks. In recent history, the majority of those drafted don't work out. You're just as likely to get a "useful" K in later rounds or through UDFA. Certainly there is no indication that trading up for a K in the 4th round would be warranted.

Conclusion: Belichick trading up for Ryland = highly probable bad decision

*ROFLMAO* Typical red herring nothing burger from you. Especially when purposely sway things by cherry picking information. Such as ignoring the fact that Mike Nugent played for 16 years. Throwing out things such as "never won a play-off game" is meaningless because he doesn't control what the team does as a WHOLE.

 

[50-yard-line]

*SMH* More people who don't know what they are talking about. Rohrwasser had nothing to do with a "far-right" militia. He got it because of the HISTORICAL reference.

Okay, I'm not going to get into a political (right and wrong) discussion because it's irrelevant to my point.

I followed this closely. Rohrweisser SAID he got the tat in high school and because of his love of the military, etc.
After that, there were Twitter threads all over the place showing him in college without the tat. I won't judge their veracity - I'm just telling you what happened on Twitter.



The Charlottesville "Jews will not replace us rally" was in 2017 - the unofficial security for those protesters were the 3%'ers, a group the anti-defamation league goes after all the time. Again, I'm offering no opinions of them/all of them/some of them here - just stating a fact.
Jemele Hill wasn't the only one going after Rohrweisser and also went after him hand-in-hand on a meta level, along with many other individuals and groups from the angle of the NFL being okay with him joining the league while blackballing Colin Kaepernick. Nobody wanted that brought out again. This happened happened. Whether or into you or I like it or not, it happened.


There were also tweets of Rohrweisser's praising Jordan Pederson and other far right-wingers (often white nationalist). There were also some people who knew him from college piling on and claiming that he knew exactly what the tat was and calling him explicitly racist against black people. Again, I cannot stress this enough or enough times, this reporting/rumormongering/whatever happened. Sounds a bit weird to me since so many of the other folks at Marshall said exactly the opposite. Truth, whichever way, dies on social media.


Bob Kraft doesn't live in a vacuum. Blue square is HIS cause.


So put it all together. I'll add that the controversy and the attacks on Justin started the day after the draft - kicking is all about concentration. He was devastated according to his former coach, whom he called, and who was worried about his state of mind. After Rohrweisser said he didn't approve of the 3%'ers, he started taking **** from the right just as badly. He was in a no-win situation over a stupid tattoo.


Rohrweisser, a 5th round pick, the first kicker taken in the draft, and with reportedly a huge leg, never kicked a ball for the Patriots in a game (there were no preseason games in 2020). He sat on the PS for a year - he had $318k guaranteed when he signed and counted 0 against the cap. They signed Folk back AFTER the controversy erupted, halfway through training camp.


Rohrweisser (and Folk!) was released right away after year end in March 2021. First kicker taken. Never kicked in any game live - no injuries. And at the point of release, with no other kickers on the Pats.


Do the math. You can bark at me all you want - seems lately, that's the only way you post. I'm making no judgments on Rohrweisser. I don't know the kid. I take him at his word with a shrug - by which I mean he had to say what he said, of course, to have any chance at a career. He didn't go out and attack anyone, or beat up a kid or rape a woman or anything like that, so it sucks that he's gone, but welcome to the world. He was never picked up by anyone else. Career over.


I stand by what I said: no one with a 3% tattoo was or is going to play for a team owned by Robert Kraft, who is heavily involved with the anti-defamation league and consider Charlottesville to be one of the darkest days in modern America.