Celtics 2024-2025 Discussion

[Real fan 02]

Thank God we have Brad Stevens. He knows talent and how to put a team together. Most of the trades will come out of nowhere, but I know this team will be ready to compete in 2027 and beyond. The trading of veterans and getting below the apron are given, but in this league of personalities how it happens will be unpredictable.

I agree. Brad is a very smart and calculated thinker.. Just to think as wolf was saying Brad really had no interest in going for the GM job. I'm happy he did. Another thing of note had Ime stayed i believe we win in 23 and 24. Ime was what the Cs need a defensive minded coach that came up under one of the best to ever do it in pop. I really and truly think the Cs should mull if they want to continue to go with a coach who values analytics over adjustments.

 

[Real fan 02]

haha, I admit it does sound ridiculous. Tatum can't stay away from iso ball and just kills them even when he is scoring, because when he starts missing (and he always does), there is no plan B. When the ball is moving, they are really good.

Brown -- not a max contract guy. Nice complementary player, like a Jamaal Murray.
Porzingis -- I really like him but always hurt
White -- I don't think his defense was as good this year. Probably at his peak -- over-rated might be too strong with him to be fair
Holiday -- I don't know what happened to him this year -- still a good defender, but that's it
Hauser -- meh. too hot and cold for my taste
Pritchard -- ya, might wrong to say he is over-rated.
Horford -- I have never been a horford fan; how can you be 7 foot and never get a rebound, haha. Definitely time to retire.

Mazzulla -- I despise the 3-ball strategy and he doesn't see to have anything else.

Your overall point is well-taken. I'm having a little fun, but I do think they should rebuild now while they have some capital.

To complicate matters even more now it's reported that JB has a knee issue. So we'll have to see how that goes. Holliday it's just father time catching up with him.. he still has High basketball IQ.. but he's played alot ball in his career. Horford is 38 and had played 17 seasons in the NBA for a player his age it's still impressive he beings it defensively. I really think the least particularly 2 seasons wore on D. White He never had the minutes and deep post season runs in SA, like he has with the Cs. Also JT, JB, Jrue and white all went to the Olympics last year after the finals. That definitely factors in. Guys probably needed to loose in this fashion in order for changes to be made and to allow guys rest and recovery just my opinion.

 

[RobertWeathers]

To complicate matters even more now it's reported that JB has a knee issue. So we'll have to see how that goes. Holliday it's just father time catching up with him.. he still has High basketball IQ.. but he's played alot ball in his career. Horford is 38 and had played 17 seasons in the NBA for a player his age it's still impressive he beings it defensively. I really think the least particularly 2 seasons wore on D. White He never had the minutes and deep post season runs in SA, like he has with the Cs. Also JT, JB, Jrue and white all went to the Olympics last year after the finals. That definitely factors in. Guys probably needed to loose in this fashion in order for changes to be made and to allow guys rest and recovery just my opinion.

Seems JB was playing with a partially torn meniscus on top of the knee issue. Depending on the seriousness (surgery)his course of treatment/rehab he might force him to be out the first few months.

 

[RobertWeathers]

And what exactly has he specifically contributed to this? It seems to me a cardboard cutout of Oprah holding a photo of the Dalai Lama would have made the same contribution.

Maybe I can help.

NBA head coaches set the overall offensive and defensive philosophy for the team, ensure the team is motivated to play hard, and execute the appropriate tactics to win games. Lastly it is their responsibility to establish a winning culture.

You can argue he hasn't done an A+ job but to say Mazzula has not done those things is misinformed.

 

[Real fan 02]

Seems JB was playing with a partially torn meniscus on top of the knee issue. Depending on the seriousness (surgery)his course of treatment/rehab he might force him to be out the first few months.

Yeah... if so.. then we won't have JT or JB the beginning of the season. That's a big blow. I'm confident Brad makes some changes that will allow the team some felixibility and remain competitive.. another factor here as in sure you have seen my comment. I'm starting to wonder about Joe and his long term place as HC.. he's a good coach all things considered.. but at some point you have to make the on-court adjustments like a good coach does. I feel like Brad should consider this. Also remember there was never a coaching search Joe was elevated. His salary is peanuts so that may also factor in?? Your thoughts?

 

[RobertWeathers]

That his job is safe for now.. unless ownership decides that a change is needed. As I've mentioned I'd prefer Malone should they go in a different direction.

It absolutely should be safe. Any talk of Mazz getting the axe is ridiculous.

 

[RobertWeathers]

What evidence can you offer for this utterly ridiculous assertion?? Not happy talk: evidence.

1 NBA title.

****ty head coaches don't win championships.

 

[Real fan 02]

It absolutely should be safe. Any talk of Mazz getting the axe is ridiculous.

I agreed. I'm not at all saying he should be.. but..also would understand if Brad felt like a change is needed.. the NBA is weird like that... recent examples are Cleveland, Denver and Memphis... all had good coaches who had winning records and post season appearances... i wouldn't say Joe is particularly safe. especially with a new owner in the mix.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I agreed. I'm not at all saying he should be.. but..also would understand if Brad felt like a change is needed.. the NBA is weird like that... recent examples are Cleveland, Denver and Memphis... all had good coaches who had winning records and post season appearances... i wouldn't say Joe is particularly safe. especially with a new owner in the mix.

Correct. Every team has a reason for firing a coach which can also mean that they should not have been.

Ultimately head coaches survive based on their relationships with the franchise players and if they win.

Mazz is safe in both of those departments.

 

[Real fan 02]

Correct. Every team has a reason for firing a coach which can also mean that they should not have been.

Ultimately head coaches survive based on their relationships with the franchise players and if they win.

Mazz is safe in both of those departments.

Your absolutely correct. His salary and recent championship helps his cause. This offseason is about resetting the roster, guys getting healthy and hopefully mazz tweaking some things as all good coaches do. To your point Malone for example was beloved in Denver.. guy was there what 10 plus seasons?

 

[UrbanCowboy]

Maybe I can help.

NBA head coaches set the overall offensive and defensive philosophy for the team, ensure the team is motivated to play hard, and execute the appropriate tactics to win games. Lastly it is their responsibility to establish a winning culture.

You can argue he hasn't done an A+ job but to say Mazzula has not done those things is misinformed.

Fair. question is whether the offensive philosophy of iso ball and jacking up 50 3's a game is the right one going forward.

 

[Real fan 02]

Fair. question is whether the offensive philosophy of iso ball and jacking up 50 3's a game is the right one going forward.

This is why im saying "no" coachs job is particularly safe. Denver is a prime example of this.

 

[UrbanCowboy]

This is why im saying "no" coachs job is particularly safe. Denver is a prime example of this.

True. In fairness, Mazzulla is a young coach. Brad could discuss with him the possibility of diversifying the offensive approach.

 

[Real fan 02]

True. In fairness, Mazzulla is a young coach. Brad could discuss with him the possibility of diversifying the offensive approach.

Yes, Joe was elevated into HC he was Tatums position coach assistant to Ime.. that's what I believe should happen diversification of the offense.. look at all the teams left playing they take the 3 but are not in love with it..

 

[RobertWeathers]

Fair. question is whether the offensive philosophy of iso ball and jacking up 50 3's a game is the right one going forward.

Yep. It only works with the right personnel.

 

[Real fan 02]

Yep. It only works with the right personnel.

When the GSW had thier run.. they were an efficient team.. obviously it helps having the greatest shooter not named bird on your team. But the 3 point shot was efficient. We gave NY the series they didn't take it from us.. we have shown times of dominance against them. Those game 1 and 2 losses are where the series was lost.

 

[ViperGTS]

1 NBA title.

****ty head coaches don't win championships.

Doc? In the end, it was Garnett that won that title when he came in a brought that no nonsense we are winning attitude.

Also, Brown for a bit next year? Tank baby, play the kids and get them some much needed game reps. Find out who can play with Tatum and Brown if you aren't trading Brown.

 

[Real fan 02]

Doc? In the end, it was Garnett that won that title when he came in a brought that no nonsense we are winning attitude.

Also, Brown for a bit next year? Tank baby, play the kids and get them some much needed game reps. Find out who can play with Tatum and Brown if you aren't trading Brown.

I've said many times this season reminded me of 2009.. it was great year as far as wins..but aging players and injuries piled up.. cost up another ring losing to Orlando.. we gave NY the series this year.

 

[Thelonious]

1 NBA title.

****ty head coaches don't win championships.

Sure they do. It is not at all unheard-of for a championship coach to be a goner only a couple of years later. * I'm not so much compelled by stats, though, as by an examination of Mazzoula's actual coaching practice. Once upon a time he apparently read that shooting a lot of threes will win you games. He seems at that point to have decided that was all he needs to know about strategy. As for tactics, his in-game adjustments are nil, his handling of time-outs and subs look like the result of a random number generator, and his asinine new age ******** sounds like the blithering of some vodka-soaked housewife who watches too much Oprah. Mazzoula blows. Deal with it, and hope the team acts accordingly.

* Check out the words of your fellow Mazzoulaholic: "... the NBA is weird like that... recent examples are Cleveland, Denver and Memphis... all had good coaches who had winning records and post season appearances."

 

[Thelonious]

Maybe I can help.

NBA head coaches set the overall offensive and defensive philosophy for the team, ensure the team is motivated to play hard, and execute the appropriate tactics to win games. Lastly it is their responsibility to establish a winning culture.

You can argue he hasn't done an A+ job but to say Mazzula has not done those things is misinformed.

Thanks but no thanks on the help, so you can put down the pom poms. Mazzoula is a joke. Please see my response to your other remark.