Celtics 2024-2025 Discussion

[Thelonious]

That makes sense but starting this coming year it is too rid themselves of high priced guy that aren't delivering on the court. START WITH JAYLEN BROWN.

I think Brown could be a useful member of a good team, but I but I don't see him as the sort of alpha you can surround with "role players" and win a championship; and the league is now all about the alphas, the goddam "stars." There just aren't that many such players at any one time, though,so probably two-thirds of players given that role aren't really up to it.

I wish the league would somehow return to team basketball based on five more equally important players who know how to play the team game and would be unworried about the adverse effect of such a collective approach might have on their goddam "brand."

I frankly thing we are being offered crap basketball for the most part, played by athletes who, because so many of them are too-cool-for-school narcissistic primadonnas, I find it hard to root. I rarely watch NBA basketball, to be honest, and I am generally disappointed when I do. There is no more exciting sport than basketball when it is played right (except maybe for hockey watched in person), but five guys standing around for the first 40 minutes then reenacting the three-point shooting contest for eight minutes is a boring watch.

A few times a year I watch games at the local high school. Actual basketball, played hard every minute. Great.

I think it's time to drop the three-point shot, frankly, but no one will care what I think, which is fine: I am pretty much beyond caring about the NBA anyway, so the feeling is mutual

 

[Real fan 02]

I like Hauser better. Better shooter, basically no turnovers or bad shots. DD is a little quicker but that’s not always a good thing. He isn’t athletic enough to do much good.

Let's go Pacers!! I feel like the Knicks are a ****y team.

 

[Brewskies]

What I view last night was a team that attempted to look to Jaylen Brown to win the game. That will never happen. Mr. TURNOVER can't do what a Tatum can do. So lets get real, the Celtics don't need Jaylen Brown with his financial baggage. Holiday had a bad season, his days are ending. Porzingis has too many issues, he can not be depended on for the big games or when you need him. White I am not sure what to do with, he had a bad game but I think he was overdoing because he knew Jaylen Brown could not lead the Celtics. Then there was Pitchard, the 6th man, forget it, he was lost. Al Horford nice guy, time to go. Finally there is Joe Mazzulla, he is stuck with his beyond basketball ideas, just play basketball, run and shoot along with put your arms up for defense. Sorry, Joe, enough is enough, we need a full-time basketball coach. That's it folks. Tatum won't do much next season so just let him play around. He is good, not an NBA MVP for the season but great for the Celtics. He is a dam good player. Get the payroll down to where you have rookies that can play basketball. Trade during the season to improve and make a run. This high priced spread just can't cut it. Get back to reality, heads out of the clouds, forget the Process and run and shoot, score and play defense. Let hope we have a competetive team in 2027.

 

[Real fan 02]

Yeah they are back to sucking. Never understood that. Just play your game and it will work out. Instead, crap.

Becuase they have a coach who chooses to go with analytics then what's actually impactful on the court. JM no doubt is a good coach.. he's got all off season to reflect and tweak his coaching methods..

This playoffs reminds me more of the early 2000s.. physical ball, every possession is critical.

Remember he was elevated to HC.. there was no official coaching search one Ime left. Fans have to remember this. Not that I'm saying we should make a change but if the Cs did.. Mark Malone is out there I'd want him.

 

[UrbanCowboy]

that was brutal. End of an era. First step is to get rid of mr analytics. I would try to get rid of just about everyone else for draft picks, but that will be really hard to do with all the convoluted rules. (I'm not a tatum fan and the rest are over-rated). It's gonna be a long lull. signed, eeyore

 

[Real fan 02]

that was brutal. End of an era. First step is to get rid of mr analytics. I would try to get rid of just about everyone else for draft picks, but that will be really hard to do with all the convoluted rules. (I'm not a tatum fan and the rest are over-rated). It's gonna be a long lull. signed, eeyore

As i posted Joe was elevated when Ime left.. as he was already on the staff.. there was never an official coaching search. If the organization feels they can do better Malone is my choice.

 

[UrbanCowboy]

the worst outcome is to end up like the bucks ... try to keep it together and insert a new player here and there and fall back to the middle of the pack

 

[bresna]

What I view last night was a team that attempted to look to Jaylen Brown to win the game. That will never happen. Mr. TURNOVER can't do what a Tatum can do. So lets get real, the Celtics don't need Jaylen Brown with his financial baggage.

Did you watch these playoffs? Many of Brown's turnovers were the result of ****ty refereeing. He was constantly hacked down low and rarely got the call. I mean constantly hacked. It wasn't just every now & then.

Look, I get that the stats show simply "Turnovers", but you have to be able to look beyond that in cases like this. The Magic & the Knicks both hacked and hacked and hacked because they knew that was the only way to stop Brown down low. The NBA seems to want this ****, so have fun watching the rest of these playoffs, because I'm not. They absolutely ruined NBA basketball for me with how the refs are calling these games.

 

[UrbanCowboy]

Did you watch these playoffs? Many of Brown's turnovers were the result of ****ty refereeing. He was constantly hacked down low and rarely got the call. I mean constantly hacked. It wasn't just every now & then.

Look, I get that the stats show simply "Turnovers", but you have to be able to look beyond that in cases like this. The Magic & the Knicks both hacked and hacked and hacked because they knew that was the only way to stop Brown down low. The NBA seems to want this ****, so have fun watching the rest of these playoffs, because I'm not. They absolutely ruined NBA basketball for me with how the refs are calling these games.

"let them play" = ugly, unwatchable basketball

 

[Tunescribe]

Yeah, like I said..... The team is soft, in the too-cool-for-school manner. The coach is incompetent. He barely coaches at all, just blithers out effete new-age ******** that belongs on a podcast for yogic fat chicks "struggling in their spiritual journey." Fire up the incense, and do take an adorable little vegan amuse bouche. They "stepped into the darkness" alright, and right onto a steaming pile of dogshit. Embrace the journey, boys.

He seems to be emulating Phil Jackson's zen orientation with some of the new-age speak. It would be easier to take seriously if Joe demonstrated similarly inventive coaching.

 

[maust]

He seems to be emulating Phil Jackson's zen orientation with some of the new-age speak. It would be easier to take seriously if Joe demonstrated similarly inventive coaching.

NGL Phil Jackson's shtick had me rolling my eyes and chuckling, even while I was cussing out how effective his actual coaching was. But then I'm a fossil. I came of age on Red's formula, a combination of aggression and running just half a dozen plays but running them to perfection. Once D got neutered I drifted into being an ever more casual fan. From a coaching standpoint I may not know what will work today (other than having a handle on the zebras) and what won't but I can sure as hell see when it's falling on its face.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

that was brutal. End of an era. First step is to get rid of mr analytics. I would try to get rid of just about everyone else for draft picks, but that will be really hard to do with all the convoluted rules. (I'm not a tatum fan and the rest are over-rated). It's gonna be a long lull. signed, eeyore

Lol…not a Tatum fan and the rest are overrated? This team won 125 regular season games, 22 postseason games, 5 playoff series, and one championship over the last two years.

But I do agree with the general idea of starting over.

This issue is whether or not there’s much return on some of these contracts. I think they could get a lot for Brown. Personally I’d love to see it but a lot of people don’t agree. It would clear salary cap room, and I still don’t think he’s not worth close to his contract.

White is 30. I think he’s still going to be very good for a few years and that contract is a good value. Would only trade him if some team is offering a bunch of first round picks. Even then it would be tough.

Porzingis only has a year left on his deal. Unlikely anyone will trade for him unless Celtics are getting a questionable contract in return.

I said last year that I didn’t understand the Holiday extension. 4 years, 134M?! He’s going to be 35 next season. One of Brad’s few mistakes. I don’t see how they can move him without picking up another very bad deal.

I don’t agree with the sentiment they should trade Hauser. I think you look at the bad value contracts first. $10M for a guy who is third in the NBA in 3 pt % and second in the league in turnover pct since he entered the league. They’d need to sign another guy eventually who can shoot 3s at over 40%. They probably won’t end up saving much, or anything, and then you roll the dice in whether player fits system as well as Hauser.

They should see if a team wants to trade a ton of draft capital for Pritchard. Otherwise, he’s a guy to build around long-term. Very good basketball player and young.

 

[Thelonious]

He seems to be emulating Phil Jackson's zen orientation with some of the new-age speak. It would be easier to take seriously if Joe demonstrated similarly inventive coaching.

Yep. He has shown no aptitude or inclination to adapt to changing circumstances in-game. In basketball, that like 2/3's of the job.

 

[Thelonious]

Becuase they have a coach who chooses to go with analytics then what's actually impactful on the court. JM no doubt is a good coach.. he's got all off season to reflect and tweak his coaching methods..

This playoffs reminds me more of the early 2000s.. physical ball, every possession is critical.

Remember he was elevated to HC.. there was no official coaching search one Ime left. Fans have to remember this. Not that I'm saying we should make a change but if the Cs did.. Mark Malone is out there I'd want him.

What evidence can you offer for this utterly ridiculous assertion?? Not happy talk: evidence.

 

[Real fan 02]

What evidence can you offer for this utterly ridiculous assertion?? Not happy talk: evidence.

Consecutive 60 win seasons and a championship mixed in as well.

 

[Real fan 02]

NGL Phil Jackson's shtick had me rolling my eyes and chuckling, even while I was cussing out how effective his actual coaching was. But then I'm a fossil. I came of age on Red's formula, a combination of aggression and running just half a dozen plays but running them to perfection. Once D got neutered I drifted into being an ever more casual fan. From a coaching standpoint I may not know what will work today (other than having a handle on the zebras) and what won't but I can sure as hell see when it's falling on its face.

As a fan.. im not saying Joe should be fired.. but i also would not be upset if the team felt they needed to go in a different direction..Malone would be my choice of coaches if so..

 

[javajunky]

Thank God we have Brad Stevens. He knows talent and how to put a team together. Most of the trades will come out of nowhere, but I know this team will be ready to compete in 2027 and beyond. The trading of veterans and getting below the apron are given, but in this league of personalities how it happens will be unpredictable.

 

[Thelonious]

Consecutive 60 win seasons and a championship mixed in as well.

And what exactly has he specifically contributed to this? It seems to me a cardboard cutout of Oprah holding a photo of the Dalai Lama would have made the same contribution.

 

[UrbanCowboy]

Lol…not a Tatum fan and the rest are overrated? This team won 125 regular season games, 22 postseason games, 5 playoff series, and one championship over the last two years.

But I do agree with the general idea of starting over.

This issue is whether or not there’s much return on some of these contracts. I think they could get a lot for Brown. Personally I’d love to see it but a lot of people don’t agree. It would clear salary cap room, and I still don’t think he’s not worth close to his contract.

White is 30. I think he’s still going to be very good for a few years and that contract is a good value. Would only trade him if some team is offering a bunch of first round picks. Even then it would be tough.

Porzingis only has a year left on his deal. Unlikely anyone will trade for him unless Celtics are getting a questionable contract in return.

I said last year that I didn’t understand the Holiday extension. 4 years, 134M?! He’s going to be 35 next season. One of Brad’s few mistakes. I don’t see how they can move him without picking up another very bad deal.

I don’t agree with the sentiment they should trade Hauser. I think you look at the bad value contracts first. $10M for a guy who is third in the NBA in 3 pt % and second in the league in turnover pct since he entered the league. They’d need to sign another guy eventually who can shoot 3s at over 40%. They probably won’t end up saving much, or anything, and then you roll the dice in whether player fits system as well as Hauser.

They should see if a team wants to trade a ton of draft capital for Pritchard. Otherwise, he’s a guy to build around long-term. Very good basketball player and young.

haha, I admit it does sound ridiculous. Tatum can't stay away from iso ball and just kills them even when he is scoring, because when he starts missing (and he always does), there is no plan B. When the ball is moving, they are really good.

Brown -- not a max contract guy. Nice complementary player, like a Jamaal Murray.
Porzingis -- I really like him but always hurt
White -- I don't think his defense was as good this year. Probably at his peak -- over-rated might be too strong with him to be fair
Holiday -- I don't know what happened to him this year -- still a good defender, but that's it
Hauser -- meh. too hot and cold for my taste
Pritchard -- ya, might wrong to say he is over-rated.
Horford -- I have never been a horford fan; how can you be 7 foot and never get a rebound, haha. Definitely time to retire.

Mazzulla -- I despise the 3-ball strategy and he doesn't see to have anything else.

Your overall point is well-taken. I'm having a little fun, but I do think they should rebuild now while they have some capital.

 

[Real fan 02]

And what exactly has he specifically contributed to this? It seems to me a cardboard cutout of Oprah holding a photo of the Dalai Lama would have made the same contribution.

That his job is safe for now.. unless ownership decides that a change is needed. As I've mentioned I'd prefer Malone should they go in a different direction.