PATRIOTS NEWS Breer reports Pats are seeing Maye's progress

[Wozzy]

We had subpar lines over the years brady was just the equalizer for basically everything. Bad drafts, signing, coaching whatever.. I've adopted your point on a great QB. He brung us to championship games.. but your right Cincy couldn't protect him in the superbowl.. otherwise they could have easily won.

Very rarely did they have subpar lines when Brady was here, usually if at all due to injuries. The Patriots weren't the only team in the NFL for two decades with a great QB. When the Patriots won rings their lines were great, their defenses were great. It takes a team to win it all, it won't be any different for Drake Maye than any other QB in history.

Assuming they stay healthy, the biggest question mark on this team has to be who the collaboration station brought in from the outside to fix the offensive line. If the line is superior Brissett will look good and Maye will potentially look great... the opposite will also hold true.

 

[rochrist]

I think the league persecution and threats if congressional action against the Pats, along with the sabotage of John Tomase, played a bigger role than Brady’s ankle.

The chance to make history of an undefeated season was pressure enough, these other distractions tipped the scales.

They were also an unconscionable attack.

Let’s see how the Chiefs do when they have these additional unwarranted distractions to deal with.

They won't though. hey will continue to be slobbered over.

 

[Real fan 02]

Very rarely did they have subpar lines when Brady was here, usually if at all due to injuries. The Patriots weren't the only team in the NFL for two decades with a great QB. When the Patriots won rings their lines were great, their defenses were great. It takes a team to win it all, it won't be any different for Drake Maye than any other QB in history.

Assuming they stay healthy, the biggest question mark on this team has to be who the collaboration station brought in from the outside to fix the offensive line. If the line is superior Brissett will look good and Maye will potentially look great... the opposite will also hold true.

2016 AFCCG at Denver. we had a sub par line play We started the season 10-0 and faltered. Actually I should say we had sub par play from the line not sub par players. I stand corrected. I'm pin pointing this game the AFC Championship game. We couldn't run the rock Denver had an early bead on all of our tackles the whole game. Brady's 4th down heroics to gronk still nearly won us that game. So we've had subpar play at times Brady's greatness usually pulled us through. Just my observation.

 

[Real fan 02]

We had subpar lines over the years brady was just the equalizer for basically everything. Bad drafts, signing, coaching whatever.. I've adopted your point on a great QB. He brung us to championship games.. but your right Cincy couldn't protect him in the superbowl.. otherwise they could have easily won.

@rochrist

2016 AFCCG
2008 super bowl says hello.

 

[Real fan 02]

Which time?

I corrected myself. We had bad line play at times but the GOAT usually always negated bad line play save for 2016 AFCCG and 08 superbowl.

 

[Real fan 02]

I was more excited that Cam didnt win the starting job.

@sb1

Am I right? Bad line play got coach guggs fired? We got scar to Come back out of retirement?

 

[Wozzy]

2016 AFCCG at Denver. we had a sub par line play We started the season 10-0 and faltered. Actually I should say we had sub par play from the line not sub par players. I stand corrected. I'm pin pointing this game the AFC Championship game. We couldn't run the rock Denver had an early bead on all of our tackles the whole game. Brady's 4th down heroics to gronk still nearly won us that game. So we've had subpar play at times Brady's greatness usually pulled us through. Just my observation.

There was some outstanding factors involved in that game, one of which was line coach Dave DeGuglielmo not having them prepared for the silent snap count or crowd noise in Mile High Stadium... it literally got him fired.

Also they didn't run the ball, which was partially a coaching/scheme issue but also a matter of health. They lost every RB they had to injury and had to sign 32 year old Steven Jackson at season's end who was toast by then. Vollmer and Cannon at tackle, Shaq and Kline at Guard with Stork at center was not a line lacking talent... Denver was just the better team and better prepared and Brady couldn't "fix" it.

If you look at what transpired afterwards you see a team that re-committed to running the ball and playing smash mouth football. Part of what happened prior, was them being a victim of their own success. Since 2007 they had become a pass heavy finesse offense and it got them close but no cigar. That loss helped propelled them to greatness by forcing them to become a tougher team.

 

[Real fan 02]

There was some outstanding factors involved in that game, one of which was line coach Dave DeGuglielmo not having them prepared for the silent snap count or crowd noise in Mile High Stadium... it literally got him fired.

Also they didn't run the ball, which was partially a coaching/scheme issue but also a matter of health. They lost every RB they had to injury and had to sign 32 year old Steven Jackson at season's end who was toast by then. Vollmer and Cannon at tackle, Shaq and Kline at Guard with Strok at center was not a line lacking talent... Denver was just the better team and better prepared and Brady couldn't "fix" it.

If you look at what transpired afterwards you see a team that re-committed to running the ball and playing smash mouth football. Part of what happened prior, was them being a victim of their own success. Since 2007 they had become a pass heavy finesse offense and it got them close but no cigar. That loss helped propelled them to greatness by forcing them to become a tougher team.

Agreed. I forgot to mention the factors of injuries. Wich Denver had a historic defense that season as well. However we still almost beat them. Denver is always a tough play to play. They don't call it mile high for nothing. Didn't we loose dion lewis that season? With an ACL? Was that the Scott chandler at TE year as well? Yes guggs was fired pretty much right after the game.

 

[captain stone]

We folded like a dollar store lawn cheap down the stretch after starting 10-0

Injuries, and some piss-poor replacements at certain positions.

 

[PScottman]

why didn’t that happen to Joe Burrow whose offensive line’s have been among the worst in the league?

Already covered...there are rare QB talents that are able to overcome the constant, consistent pressure, but it is not a common trait otherwise there would be much higher success rate of good to great QBs. Jones was not one of those guys and that was exposed when he went from a rookie year where he didn't wet himself on every third drop back to the point where he did.

That's not apologizing for Jones, just pointing out that this is a team game where things that happen outside one player's control can have lasting and significant effects to that individual or conversely demonstrate their true potential...or lack thereof.

 

[Wozzy]

Already covered...there are rare QB talents that are able to overcome the constant, consistent pressure, but it is not a common trait otherwise there would be much higher success rate of good to great QBs. Jones was not one of those guys and that was exposed when he went from a rookie year where he didn't wet himself on every third drop back to the point where he did.

That's not apologizing for Jones, just pointing out that this is a team game where things that happen outside one player's control can have lasting and significant effects to that individual or conversely demonstrate their true potential...or lack thereof.

Joe Burrow is no more “rare” than all the great QB’s who came before him. He also couldn’t overcome consistent pressure, otherwise he’d have rings.

Having superweapons around him got them as far as they did… but he gets undone in 9 sack or 7 sack playoff games.

Jones isn’t good, he’s outright bad… that’s less rare. It’s pretty common in fact.

 

[dliverey44]

Patriots are already making big mistake with Drake Maye this offseason

The New England Patriots post-Tom Brady continues to make decisions like, well ... the New England Patriots. Like Bill Belichick before him, Eliot Wolf, the Pat

musketfire.com

Agree 100% with this.

I agree as long as Maye outplays Brissett. Gotta let the best QB start.

 

[Real fan 02]

I agree as long as Maye outplays Brissett. Gotta let the best QB start.

Absolutely positively agree. Because Mayo's preach competition and that's the most fair way to be. If maye beats out the competition it's only right that he starts.. if no then it's all BS that's being preached. I'm rooting for Maye Day!

 

[KCSVEN]

A bad OLine kept Burrow from winning a championship at least twice and got him hurt twice… QB’s fix bad teams is a fallacy.

If you actually analyze Burrow on tape, he's a big part of the problem, the idea Joe Burrow is an elite franchise QB is very questionable IMO. Burrow had a 23.8% PS2% at LSU, with a juggernaut team. Been over 20% almost every year.
He fails to set up protection properly, holds the ball too long, leading to a lot of sacks. He can be accurate, but his scheme is similar to 49ers and Chiefs, throws to a ton of open guys.

Just watch the Brady breakdown by McDaniel's, many, many plays he has a rusher break free almost immediately yet brady gets the ball out. Burrow does not.

An elite QB makes all the difference, Burrow is not elite, I expect Maye will be but if he isn't then, yes, the line will matter.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I’m seeing tremendous progress from Maye, and I’m just reading the posts on this board.

 

[Wozzy]

If you actually analyze Burrow on tape, he's a big part of the problem, the idea Joe Burrow is an elite franchise QB is very questionable IMO. Burrow had a 23.8% PS2% at LSU, with a juggernaut team. Been over 20% almost every year.
He fails to set up protection properly, holds the ball too long, leading to a lot of sacks. He can be accurate, but his scheme is similar to 49ers and Chiefs, throws to a ton of open guys.

Just watch the Brady breakdown by McDaniel's, many, many plays he has a rusher break free almost immediately yet brady gets the ball out. Burrow does not.

An elite QB makes all the difference, Burrow is not elite, I expect Maye will be but if he isn't then, yes, the line will matter.

I don’t think it’s a matter of Burrow being unique or not… he is elite among active QB’s. His offensive lines have been dogmeat, among the league’s worst. What has propelled them to success has been Burrow, great weapons and a top notch defense until last season when the defense fell off considerably.

Fans put too much emphasis on QB play alone. It’s a team game, even Brady looked bad under constant pressure… nobody does it alone.

 

[rkarp1]

If you actually analyze Burrow on tape, he's a big part of the problem, the idea Joe Burrow is an elite franchise QB is very questionable IMO. Burrow had a 23.8% PS2% at LSU, with a juggernaut team. Been over 20% almost every year.
He fails to set up protection properly, holds the ball too long, leading to a lot of sacks. He can be accurate, but his scheme is similar to 49ers and Chiefs, throws to a ton of open guys.

Just watch the Brady breakdown by McDaniel's, many, many plays he has a rusher break free almost immediately yet brady gets the ball out. Burrow does not.

An elite QB makes all the difference, Burrow is not elite, I expect Maye will be but if he isn't then, yes, the line will matter.

I am glad you mentioned this in your post
I have really enjoyed listening to McD break down those plays.
I expect him back in the NFL at some point.

 

[KCSVEN]

I don’t think it’s a matter of Burrow being unique or not… he is elite among active QB’s. His offensive lines have been dogmeat, among the league’s worst. What has propelled them to success has been Burrow, great weapons and a top notch defense until last season when the defense fell off considerably.

Elite QB's: Herbert, Allen, Mahomes. Healthy Matt Stafford is elite. That's it based on what I saw on tape.

You are either elite or not elite, Burrow is not only not elite but historically, even in college, takes way too many sacks. Cincy O line was ranked 10-17th after looking at various rankings, so they were likely average to better than average.
They had a better record last year with Jake Browning as QB.

This all only matter because Maye will be 1 of the few elites, he is an Allen/Herbert hybrid. If he's going to be Joe Burrow, yeah, then the line needs to be all world.

 

[dliverey44]

Absolutely positively agree. Because Mayo's preach competition and that's the most fair way to be. If maye beats out the competition it's only right that he starts.. if no then it's all BS that's being preached. I'm rooting for Maye Day!

The reason the Brissett was brought in is because he knows this offense, imo. I cannot see a way the Maye beats him out to be week 1 starter.

 

[Real fan 02]

The reason the Brissett was brought in is because he knows this offense, imo. I cannot see a way the Maye beats him out to be week 1 starter.

I do. If Drake shows he's on Parr or even slightly better during camp.. I believe mayo starts him. Yes he does have the advantages knowing the offense.. so I expect early on for Brissett to execute while Drake catches up... in camp.