Breer: Pats out on Robinson, considering an LT by committee approach? (Update: likely fake Reddit post)[3/19: signs w/Texans]

[Huckleberry1]

But he has got insane hands. He will most likely outmuscle every DB or lb and come down with the ball. I think he will end up being double teamed as nobody can win 1 on 1 with him and noticed that he is pretty fluid. He does not look like Harry but not sure if he is sure shot 1000 yards per season wr.

I would be okay with Hunter/ McMillan and conerly Jr in first 2 rounds. If Campbell drops to low teens and we are able to trade up and get him that's a big bonus.

Sorry Toofy, but the last thing you want to teach your young QB to do is to throw into coverage.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Whether the report is true or not, it’s starting to feel like maybe they’re taking a committee approach to LT. A little bit of Lowe, a little of Wallace, maybe a cheap vet, and whatever they get in the draft.

They are taking a left tackle early. Lowe will become depth. They may even double dip, go LT early, then WR, then back for a guy like Charles Grant or Ozzie Trapillo in the 3rd round.

 

[Nunchucks]

Will Campbell is the pick, no doubt

 

[Toofy]

I think they know sanders is not getting picked up in top 3 which means both Carter and Hunter will not be available to us.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Will Campbell is the pick, no doubt

I think it will be Membou.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I think it will be Membou.

They have no acceptable starting LT. They need someone who has played the position. Not someone they think they can convert.

 

[JohnJH]

Although nothing surprises me, I seriously doubt that Vrabel would ever want a LT by committee (regardless of the OL talent level (or lack thereof). Especially considering that he knows how important continuity on the OL is. We can't do like last season and trot out a half dozen different OL lineups.

 

[Grogan14]

I think they know sanders is not getting picked up in top 3 which means both Carter and Hunter will not be available to us.

True!
Sanders is not going top 3.

Giants will get Hunter and sign Rodgers as qb

 

[JohnJH]

They have no acceptable starting LT. They need someone who has played the position. Not someone they think they can convert.

If they draft a RT (no matter how talented and athletic), and do so with the intent on flipping them to LT, then that would be horrible.

 

[JohnJH]

There was a report that one free agent told his agent that he did not want to play in New England. We've been operating under the assumption that either Cam wants too much or the Pats aren't interested, but I do wonder if Cam Robinson has decided he doesn't want to play for New England. Marrone doesn't have the best reputation and it's possible Robinson has no desire to play for him again.

We can't dismiss Robinson's reputation either. Maybe Vrabel and Marrone didn't want him.

 

[JohnJH]

Dude, come on... he is so lacking in skill and ability... it took him until Freshman year to become the starter at LT... slack ass slacker...


/s

To be fair Pape, you or me would be a massive upgrade at LT compared to last season.

 

[palialka]

Will Campbell is the pick, no doubt

I agree unless Carter is there at #4.

As long as Carter isn’t there, I think the Pats will trade down, somewhere between 6-8, and then grab Campbell. Then they’ll move back up into the bottom half of the 1st rd to grab a WR. They could reverse it too by grabbing a WR first and then the LT (if they’re not totally sold on Campbell).

 

[palialka]

I think it will be Membou.

I can’t see them taking Membou with #4 or even a trade down because he’s never played LT in his life.

It’s either they take Carter at #4 (doubt he’s there) or they trade down 3 or 4 spots and then take Campbell.

 

[bakes781]

I agree unless Carter is there at #4.

As long as Carter isn’t there, I think the Pats will trade down, somewhere between 6-8, and then grab Campbell. Then they’ll move back up into the bottom half of the 1st rd to grab a WR. They could reverse it too by grabbing a WR first and then the LT (if they’re not totally sold on Campbell).

It's risky because Jags could easily go Will. I'd rather select the LT at 4 and then BPA at round 2 even if that means double dipping at LT because we can always move Will to LG. WRs are not the strength of this class either but the bigger need is a LT.

 

[Ring 6]

They better draft a LT in round 1 or this is a big mistake. Kraft can go into the vault every day and see the stack of money he decided would protect Mayes back side.

 

[Toofy]

Campbell and trade up for conerly Jr. You could end up getting LT and LG of the future or LT and RT of future.

 

[Ring 6]

They have no acceptable starting LT. They need someone who has played the position. Not someone they think they can convert.

Most LTs start out at RT and changing sides is no big deal.
You fail when you take a guy who’s skill set is better suited to RT and switch him to LT.

In any event there isn’t much of a difference between LT and RT.
That concept was born in the old days of 7 step drops from under c and slow developing routes when you could hit a QB, when the TE always lined up in the right and the left was the weak side. Where defenders lined up in the same place every play and the speed DE played on the offensive left and bigger DEs played offensive right, because teams ran behind the TE.

Any skill a T lacks that makes you think he can’t be a LT is equally exploited on the right side. They literally have to do the same thing. LT/RT difference is obsolete.

 

[bakes781]

Campbell and trade up for conerly Jr. You could end up getting LT and LG of the future or LT and RT of future.

I'm with you. I just prefer Simmons slightly over Conerly.

 

[bakes781]

Most LTs start out at RT and changing sides is no big deal.
You fail when you take a guy who’s skill set is better suited to RT and switch him to LT.

In any event there isn’t much of a difference between LT and RT.
That concept was born in the old days of 7 step drops from under c and slow developing routes when you could hit a QB, when the TE always lined up in the right and the left was the weak side. Where defenders lined up in the same place every play and the speed DE played on the offensive left and bigger DEs played offensive right, because teams ran behind the TE.

Any skill a T lacks that makes you think he can’t be a LT is equally exploited on the right side. They literally have to do the same thing. LT/RT difference is obsolete.

If that's true then I'd feel more comfortable taking Membou because I do consider him the best OL.

 

[Ring 6]

If that's true then I'd feel more comfortable taking Membou because I do consider him the best OL.

It is, people just get stuck in old beliefs and hold on to the for too long when facts change.

This is how I see it.
Campbell, Melbourne, Simmons, banks will not all be gone before the 15th pick, no chance. One could even last into the 20s, but that’s a lot less likely.

We will get at least a 2nd for trading down and it could be much more.


Is the best one of them better the worst plus a second round pick?
I don’t think so. Do I trade down to 10-15 and take the T there.