Breer on why the Pats are far behind the rest of the NFL: A very small coaching staff

[Wozzy]

Upgrade the plane seats, those mofos still have ashtrays in them… embarrassing.

 

[Real fan 02]

Yeah we know BB preferred it this way but you can't get away with that without him. Hopefully Vrabel keeps building it up.

I'm here to change things SB1

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[Hyped]

I think it is much ado about nothing.

- The size of a coaching staff could produce a "too many cooks in the kitchen" scenario.

- Staffing "other departments", huh? Sure...why not? Kraft is upgrading the facility....that will take a bit of time.

- Ashtrays on plane seats and no wifi....well...Kraft bought two planes...and they weren't brand new. We only started to get wifi on planes maybe a decade ago....some small regional flight routes still have planes with ashtrays in the seats and no wifi (shrugs).

- Analytics? We had analytics with Ernie Adams. But OK, I agree we need to upgrade that....just so we can know what the "general consensus" is among the other 31 teams.

- I think Breer is just trying to stir the pot during a slow time in sports....no baseball....only basketball and hockey going on....selection Sunday is two Sundays away....free agency is a week away.... the combine is past us....the Celts only need to keep ahead of the Knicks in the standings for the final 21 games (shrugs).

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

I personally feel Breer is a hack
I take whatever he says with a grain of salt
He just dream **** up to have some relevance

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

Don’t look at me, I’m just the Team President

I truthfully know someone who has been around him
He says he is a big feeling spoiled brat
He is known to chew out young girls who work the luxury suites with a demoralizing tone
Not sure if he is tight with the cash never talked to him about that but he can get testy and has a strong opinion
I just feel he would have his hand in everything

 

[Pape]

Nope, not buying it.

The original thesis is flawed.

You don't need an army of underlings to coach a football team.

 

[PatsFan2]

BB has been gone for two seasons now, last year they had a massive staff… how’d that work out?

10 years from now the same characters ^ will be telling us Bill is the problem.

 

[sb1]

BB has been gone for two seasons now, last year they had a massive staff… how’d that work out?

10 years from now the same characters ^ will be telling us Bill is the problem.

I blame Mac Jones. He’s literally the worst!

 

[TommyD4207]

I think it is much ado about nothing.

- The size of a coaching staff could produce a "too many cooks in the kitchen" scenario.

- Staffing "other departments", huh? Sure...why not? Kraft is upgrading the facility....that will take a bit of time.

- Ashtrays on plane seats and no wifi....well...Kraft bought two planes...and they weren't brand new. We only started to get wifi on planes maybe a decade ago....some small regional flight routes still have planes with ashtrays in the seats and no wifi (shrugs).

- Analytics? We had analytics with Ernie Adams. But OK, I agree we need to upgrade that....just so we can know what the "general consensus" is among the other 31 teams.

- I think Breer is just trying to stir the pot during a slow time in sports....no baseball....only basketball and hockey going on....selection Sunday is two Sundays away....free agency is a week away.... the combine is past us....the Celts only need to keep ahead of the Knicks in the standings for the final 21 games (shrugs).

There is a lot of excuse-making in this post, excusing a literal billionaire from spending the equivalent of pennies on things that should have been done years ago.

 

[lancerman]

I mean, this is a criticism based on how things used to be - not sure why you’d still levy this criticism now when things will most likely be changing significantly under Vrabel

Because it's an entire organization change that goes well beyond Vrabel. Vrabel has never had roster control, Wolf is claiming he still does. Either way it's one guy inexperienced in the matter and one guy who did it with this archaic set up. They need to modernize BADLY and it relies even more on the owner hiring more people and changing how we fundamentally do things at a ground level.

It's not a simple "new coach, problem solved".

 

[lancerman]

The article is not about a small coaching staff. It’s about absence of staff in other departments

Yup, you can tell people aren't reading this article. It's about how small our scouting staff is, our analytics department, etc.

 

[borg]

Breer details how Pats organization is 'so far behind' rest of NFL

The MMQB's Albert Breer explains why the Patriots' problems won't be fixed just by simply adding talent via free agency and the NFL Draft.

www.nbcboston.com

Also behind in using technology to coach players

Got a hell of an inland light house with tiny bell, though.

 

[h0c2000]

Yup, you can tell people aren't reading this article. It's about how small our scouting staff is, our analytics department, etc.

 

[borg]

Don’t look at me, I’m just the Team President

 

[lancerman]

I was talking about another poster here blaming what was done last year and now on Bill… scroll up… just silly.

And the only person who cared as little about analytics and technology as Belichick was Andy Reid. How has his team been doing?

The Cardinals built the first relatively good offensive line Kyler Murray had around him his entire career last season… that helped. Beyond that analytics haven’t done sht for them.

We’re not landing a rocket on a distant moon.

Analytics matter when your team has been having bad drafts for the majority of a decade and have had bad free agencies for half of that.

They aren't meant to be some magic voodoo where it tells you every right player. But it is meant to create structure where teams can have guardrails in place when they are picking players and constantly updating and evaluating players so the percentages of success rates go up and the risk is lowered.

We have had a department where over the last 15 years we picked 4 WR's in the first or second round. Those were in order: Polk (was one of the worst in the league last year), Thornton (probably a bust, we haven't seen him play much recently), Harry (one of the biggest busts at the position ever) and Dobson (huge bust). A modern front office is not whiffing with picks that high that many times where the guys aren't even fit to be a WR3 of WR4. These are players where they should at least be solid role players and have WR1 potential. Our OL picks are not much better. Thuney was the last good one. Most underwhelm and become regrets (Wynn, Strange). We've been solid at CB, RB and every once in awhile we hit on pass rushers.

We need real systems and guardrails to prevent us from just blowing it so often at big positions on offense and frankly at most positions we take at the top of the draft. Frankly I'm convinced they don't know how to evaluate a potential floor at the top of the draft at all.

 

[Wozzy]

Analytics matter when your team has been having bad drafts for the majority of a decade and have had bad free agencies for half of that.

Sounds like one of those things that only works when there's a really smart GM.

They aren't meant to be some magic voodoo where it tells you every right player. But it is meant to create structure where teams can have guardrails in place when they are picking players and constantly updating and evaluating players so the percentages of success rates go up and the risk is lowered.

Player evaluation has always existed, and it's always been a talent.

We have had a department where over the last 15 years we picked 4 WR's in the first or second round. Those were in order: Polk (was one of the worst in the league last year), Thornton (probably a bust, we haven't seen him play much recently), Harry (one of the biggest busts at the position ever) and Dobson (huge bust). A modern front office is not whiffing with picks that high that many times where the guys aren't even fit to be a WR3 of WR4. These are players where they should at least be solid role players and have WR1 potential. Our OL picks are not much better. Thuney was the last good one. Most underwhelm and become regrets (Wynn, Strange). We've been solid at CB, RB and every once in awhile we hit on pass rushers.

People love this WR conversation when talking about the Pats.

The Pats used two high draft picks on WR's over the entire two decade dynasty... otherwise they hired vets or drafted late round developmental WR's. Both high picks sucked, which plays into the narrative they can't do it... but not spending high picks on WR isn't the same as being terrible at drafting. WR has one of the highest failure rates among draft picks, vets are more reliable. They found an awful lot of late round and UDFA WR's for a team that was bad at it.

We need real systems and guardrails to prevent us from just blowing it so often at big positions on offense and frankly at most positions we take at the top of the draft. Frankly I'm convinced they don't know how to evaluate a potential floor at the top of the draft at all.

The computer app that does this ^ is a figment of our imaginations. We think a computer can rival the best evaluators and team builders of all time and it's absurd. Draft prospects are human, they are flawed, have issues beyond football. The draft is a crapshoot because people are unreliable. Nothing can account for that... except instinct.

 

[rkarp1]

Don’t look at me, I’m just the Team President

JK is the team president. He also owns KAGR, an analytics company. I am of the opinion that JK and BB never saw eye to eye in bringing the team into this centuries evolving technological advances. JK wanted to move forward, quickly. Bill wanted to maintain his norm. JK was president, but Bill had authority over all football decisions. neither JK or RK could "order" Bill to utilize the technologies available. they could drop public embarrassments, which they did. but as long as Bill won, they had to defer to Bill.

Then Bill started losing, a lot, and the Kraft's seized the opportunity to take back their team, and move on from a director of operations that was stuck in the last decade.

Unfortunately, they would also lose their coach, but as missed free agent signings, draft picks and losing games became frequent, and Bill aged, the split was inevitable.

Bill has been gone 14 months. the team attempted to grow the staff, but Mayo lacked the proper contacts and relationships. we hear publicly, Wolf is moving the evaluation process into a competitive balance with the league leaders.

1 season was not going to right the ship from 20+ years of same old same old.
Will 2 years?

 

[TomPatriot]

Upgrade the plane seats, those mofos still have ashtrays in them… embarrassing.

New Patriots plane coming right up!

 

[Huckleberry1]

There is a lot of excuse-making in this post, excusing a literal billionaire from spending the equivalent of pennies on things that should have been done years ago.

Agree completely. I was appalled by the player rankings of the franchise. They are worth over 6 billion, and he bought them for 180 million. They should be state of the art in every category, instead they are worse off than major college programs. There’s no excuse for poor facilities and treatment of families.

 

[TomPatriot]

Agree completely. I was appalled by the player rankings of the franchise. They are worth over 6 billion, and he bought them for 180 million. They should be state of the art in every category, instead they are worse off than major college programs. There’s no excuse for poor facilities and treatment of families.

The family is worth at least $9 billion. The team is valued at $7.4 billion. The Kraft Group is privately held so there’s no market cap but it ranks 135 on the Forbes list of top privately held companies.

Why did they build the lighthouse when they have facilities this poor?