Brady v. Brees: Two games to pass Marino

[PatsFanSince74]

Well, all the hype among the mediots is about Drew Brees' pursuit of Marino's regular season passing record of 5,084 yards in 1984.

Brees today stands at 4,780 yards but our lad is only 187 yards behind at 4,593.

In the next two weeks, both the Pats and the Saints are playing teams with pass defenses towards the lower half of the league (Saints v. Atlanta and Carolina at 17 and 18, with Atlanta fighting for playoff seeding; Pats v. Dolphins and Bills at 25 and 16, with both teams playing for their jobs and pride).

I know we all agree that the team's priority over the next two weeks is for the Pats and a healthy Brady to get the Number One seed, without exposing TB or his receivers to unnecessary risks of injury (remember Wes Welker going down in a final meaningless game v. the Texans in 2009), but am I the only one who is thinking that, just maybe, the competitive juices of both our QB and his team are stoked by the thought of two monster games in which Tommy overtakes Brees and holds the regular season record at the end of the year?

 

[Rob0729]

In a lesser publicized race for the season yardage record, both Rob Gronkowski and Jimmy Graham have two games to pass Kellen Winslow Sr.'s 1290 receiving yards mark for a TE which has actually been in place longer than Marino's record (Winslow set his record in 1980). Gronk has 1141 yards and Graham has 1171.

Ironically, both Marino's and Winslow's records are tied together since if and when each QB surpasses Marino's record, there is a good chance that each TE surpasses Winslow's record.

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

I say they both break the record, but Brees will break it first and will own it when it's all said and done.

 

[nabwong]

Don't know but I feel like both players aren't too concerned about the record. Btw, Brees plays in a dome. He also played in the Rams dome, Falcons dome, Vikings dome, Lambeau early, Tampa. That makes it 11 out of 16 dome games. In Nov and Dec, Brees will only play outside just once (12/11 at Titans)

Tom Brady will play the 2011 regular season inside for the a grand total of ZERO.

 

[shmessy]

Don't know but I feel like both players aren't too concerned about the record. Btw, Brees plays in a dome. He also played in the Rams dome, Falcons dome, Vikings dome, Lambeau early, Tampa. That makes it 11 out of 16 dome games. In Nov and Dec, Brees will only play outside just once (12/11 at Titans)

Tom Brady will play the 2011 regular season inside for the a grand total of ZERO.

Dome games: 11-0

THAT is the core stat that the nation will ignore.

 

[PatsSox363804]

Dome games: 11-0

THAT is the core stat that the nation will ignore.

There's a big "Brees has more career yards than Brady" thread on one of the Saints boards right now that ignores this entirely.

 

[Simkin]

Dome games: 11-0

THAT is the core stat that the nation will ignore.

you know whats funny? peyton lovers saying he is better than brady because stastics when he plays 10 games at least a year at dome and in the worst division defensively in the last decade

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

187 yards is a lot to make up in two weeks. Both play at 1PM in week 17, so there will be no advantage of one having a number to shoot for.

Hand it to Drew.

I'm not at all opposed to cranking up the running game with Ridley and just throwing for 250/game, because that will help us in the playoffs

 

[Uncle Rico]

Don't know but I feel like both players aren't too concerned about the record. Btw, Brees plays in a dome. He also played in the Rams dome, Falcons dome, Vikings dome, Lambeau early, Tampa. That makes it 11 out of 16 dome games. In Nov and Dec, Brees will only play outside just once (12/11 at Titans)

Tom Brady will play the 2011 regular season inside for the a grand total of ZERO.

There's no doubt the dome has benefitted Brees in the passing game, but the argument isn't quite as strong when comparing Brady this year. The Patriots have had very good weather all season long. I don't recall wind or rain or cold being a factor in any game. You might be able to say removing the dome factor would put Brady slightly ahead of Brees in yards instead of vice versa, but I don't think it can take away from the type of year both are having.

Now as far as the Brees-v-Brady career thread shmessy mentioned ... yeah, you kind of have to acknowledge the dome factor.

 

[PatsSox363804]

187 yards is a lot to make up in two weeks. Both play at 1PM in week 17, so there will be no advantage of one having a number to shoot for.

Hand it to Drew.

I'm not at all opposed to cranking up the running game with Ridley and just throwing for 250/game, because that will help us in the playoffs

The only way Brady makes it up is if the Saints lose to the Falcons this week along with a 49ers win and they are locked into the 3 so they rest Brees week 17. Assuming the Saints win this Monday (or the Niners lose on a short week in Seattle which is possible) Brees will easily take it.

 

[RobertWeathers]

For history's sake, the QB who has led the league in passing yards has never won a Super Bowl.

I hope Brees wins!

 

[Uncle Rico]

Some stats for this year:


Brees:
Indoors: 73.1%, 23TD 5 INT, 120.5 rating, 8.29 avg.
Outdoors: 69.7%, 12TD 8INT, 96.4 rating, 8.10 avg.
No cold weather games

Brady:
Outdoors: 66.2%, 35TD 11 INT, 106.7 rating, 8.67 avg.
Below 40 degrees (99 att., so 2 games?): 61.6%, 7 TD 1 INT, 106.0 rating, 7.97 avg.
No indoor games

 

[PatsFanSince74]

I say they both break the record, but Brees will break it first and will own it when it's all said and done.

Well, that's clearly the CW on this. So, I guess you're answer to my question is "No." Fair enough. And, thanks.

 

[Patspsycho]

I sometimes think if this is why our run game has been unproductive, and the reason why Brady continues to ignore the dumpoff to RB's or short completions in favor of homeruns that invariably turn into quick 3 and outs.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Some stats for this year:


Brees:
Indoors: 73.1%, 23TD 5 INT, 120.5 rating, 8.29 avg.
Outdoors: 69.7%, 12TD 8INT, 96.4 rating, 8.10 avg.
No cold weather games

Brady:
Outdoors: 66.2%, 35TD 11 INT, 106.7 rating, 8.67 avg.
Below 40 degrees (99 att., so 2 games?): 61.6%, 7 TD 1 INT, 106.0 rating, 7.97 avg.
No indoor games

Not that I'm big on QB rating, it but the last 6 games,

Brady has a Qb rating of 117.

Brees is 121.11

Rodgers is 108 (KC was 80.1)

Indoors, outdoors or whatever these QB are having ridiculously spectacular seasons.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Dome games: 11-0

THAT is the core stat that the nation will ignore.

Well, by "nation" you can't mean "Green Bay Packers Organization," since they are well aware of it.

I seldom say "no chance," but I will go out on a limb and people (that means you, my friend Pherein if you are lurking ) can bookmark this comment and toss it, deservedly, in my face if I am wrong: There is no reasonably measurable chance, assuming that Rodgers is in good health, that the Saints and Brees will beat the Packers and Rodgers in the NFC championship game on Lambeau field if the temperature at game time on January 22 is within 10 degrees Fahrenheit of the Average Low for that day of 9 degrees. The Saints have never won an outdoor playoff game and seldom win outdoors after December 1st, unless they are playing in 40 or 50 degree temperatures in the south.


http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/daily/USWI0288?climoMonth=1

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Not that I'm big on QB rating, it but the last 6 games,

Brady has a Qb rating of 117.

Brees is 121.11

Rodgers is 108 (KC was 80.1)

Indoors, outdoors or whatever these QB are having ridiculously spectacular seasons.

Well said and thanks for the stats! It's a shame that there is only one MVP trophy to go around. Aaron has the edge for now, but each is having a season that would qualify him for that award in almost any other season. However, if our prize is the Lombardi, we can take consolation from the fact that Kurt Warner was the last League MVP to win the SB...12 years ago.

 

[PatsFan2]

I don't care about Marino's record i would rather Shoot-outs in the Playoffs and not the Regular season. We need our Offense in the post season screw Marino's record Lets ram it down their Throats via the Run the next Two weeks.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

For history's sake, the QB who has led the league in passing yards has never won a Super Bowl.

I hope Brees wins!

Thanks. I didn't know that. Appreciated.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Well said and thanks for the stats! It's a shame that there is only one MVP trophy to go around. Aaron has the edge for now, but each is having a season that would qualify him for that award in almost any other season. However, if our prize is the Lombardi, we can take consolation from the fact that Kurt Warner was the last League MVP to win the SB...12 years ago.

I think the Pats are winning the Super Bowl anyway. I think historical circumstances are meaningless but they make the game fun to follow.

The planets are aligning. 4 SB in 10 years (2001-2011). Thats what Pitt did (4 in 6 but it was the decade of the 70s which was 10 years) and SF did (actually 4 in 9 in the 80s but if you start with 84 and 94 it was 10).