brady pioli had closed door meeting

[patsox23]

Like I keep saying put yourself in Toms shoes..........they guy takes WAY freakin less on his contract.

THIS IS NOT TRUE. Stop encouraging the myth. It's ridiculous.

 

[friggs]

Here and in other threads I'm seeing lots about "What do you expect Brady to do, the team let his top 2 receivers walk away for nothing". True, they let Givens walk. He got more money than he was worth. Good for him and good for the Pats to not overpay. Anybody remember Max Lane? How did overpaying to keep a known quantity work there? I truly believe that if BB and SP had known how the Branch mess was going to turn out they would have kept Givens.

Branch did not want to play for the Pats. End of story. If he did, he would've negotiated with them, not been a little baby and stopped talking. I consider us lucky to have gotten a 1st round pick for him when otherwise we would've gotten nothing.

If the problems are Brady not having a good rapport with the receivers, then they need to get out there and practice more. Spend extra hours after the regular practice is over. Get the DB's in there too, maybe a little extra work for them will equal a few picks or at least not long touchdowns like we have seen them give up the last two weeks.

I know this can be a great team, but if they need to put in all kinds of OT to get there, then that's what they need to do.

 

[aabtec]

Here and in other threads I'm seeing lots about "What do you expect Brady to do, the team let his top 2 receivers walk away for nothing". True, they let Givens walk. He got more money than he was worth. Good for him and good for the Pats to not overpay. Anybody remember Max Lane? How did overpaying to keep a known quantity work there? I truly believe that if BB and SP had known how the Branch mess was going to turn out they would have kept Givens.

Branch did not want to play for the Pats. End of story. If he did, he would've negotiated with them, not been a little baby and stopped talking. I consider us lucky to have gotten a 1st round pick for him when otherwise we would've gotten nothing.

If the problems are Brady not having a good rapport with the receivers, then they need to get out there and practice more. Spend extra hours after the regular practice is over. Get the DB's in there too, maybe a little extra work for them will equal a few picks or at least not long touchdowns like we have seen them give up the last two weeks.

I know this can be a great team, but if they need to put in all kinds of OT to get there, then that's what they need to do.

Can we please stop with the "he got paid more than he is worth" comments
as much as everyone is saying that Brady made Branch and Givens can we give some credit to these guys.

Givens worked his butt over the offseasons to improve catching a football.
Branch worked hard too.

Its time people start appreciating the fact that we lost 2 very good football players. There value is being shown to Patriot nation right now.

Plus talking about value. I think someone needs to look at how we determine value..Biesel, Chad Brown, Steve Martin, Donald Hayes, etc.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

None of us can know what they talked about, but let's not forget that Tom Brady isn't some 45 year old business exec who's learned most of his lessons and made most of his professional mistakes in small meetings or behind closed doors. He's a 29 year old phenom, who, relative to the pressure he's under, is still very young. Yes, I thought he came off as very immature last night (I thought at one point that he was going to throw the ball into Kraft's Box), but which one of us on this board hasn't acted immaturely? Which one of us hasn't lost his/her cool when we shouldn't have? Sure, he's being paid a boatload of money not to do that stuff, especially on national TV before a primetime audience. But, he's still human. Let's cut him some slack. We're still gonna win the Division and do damage in January.

 

[DefenseRules]

Plus talking about value. I think someone needs to look at how we determine value..Biesel, Chad Brown, Steve Martin, Donald Hayes, etc.

Yeah, who selected those characters?

 

[Born_a_Patriot]

He was showing him pictures of Branch. With his new man.

 

[mac]

It isn't for lack of trying. Mason had it down to Baltimore and NE, he picked Baltimore for reasons ranging from his wife like the area to his wanting to play on a "team with younger stars." The pats had scheduled to get Javon Walker in for a visit but he liked Denver too much to pass it up. The Pats were going to go after Jureviscious (sp?) but he signed quickly with Cleveland, his hometown team. They were able to land one of the top wr's in the draft and got a pretty good one in Gabriel. Neither has had much time to learn the offense and produce. I give them time. The FO can only sign the guys who will sign here. They weren't going to pay Givens what he got or cave to Branch and set a bad precedent. They were prepared to go after other options but those options went elsewhere.

I have no trouble with letting Branch and Givens go because their demands were ridiculous. Still, other options went elsewhere because the Patriots foolishly treat every draft choice as if the choice were gold. Many people on this board who are Brady bashing are the same people who were screaming last winter, "No way we'd give up a second or third pick for Moulds! Or Stallworth for a third? No way!
How might Stallworh and/or Moulds look now?"

 

[RayClay]

I have no trouble with letting Branch and Givens go because their demands were ridiculous. Still, other options went elsewhere because the Patriots foolishly treat every draft choice as if the choice were gold. Many people on this board who are Brady bashing are the same people who were screaming last winter, "No way we'd give up a second or third pick for Moulds! Or Stallworth for a third? No way!
How might Stallworh and/or Moulds look now?"

Am I the only one who thinks Jackson and Gabriel will be better than Branch/Givens? Possibly before the seasons over?

 

[All_Around_Brown]

You couldn't say it any better! How can anybody complain about the way Brady is playing? You take away his 2 best weapons and you expect miracles. You do absolutely nothing to replace them and sit on all of this money. It's crazy! I would be pissed of too if I was Brady. BB and SP suck! And this dynasty is slowly crumbling right before our eyes. It one thing to let players go for more money once they have reached their peak. It's another thing to let your best YOUNG talent go for nothing!

You and the rest of your "blame the FO" types have it all wrong. Its not as if we didn't make an effort to keep Branch. Its not as if Givens is ripping it up in Tenn as a #1, which is the money hes commanding. For those of you that whine that we haven't given Brady any weapons, I say you are dead wrong.

The weapons we gave him are his OL weapons. We have rebuilt both lines, importantly for Brady, we have built a wall of talent in front of him. He was taking too many hits last year to neglect the OL this year. Sure we didn't make any big money moves here, but we assured ourselves the ability to maintain solid foundation going forward. Part of that means assuring long term cohesion on the line. In order to do that, you need youth which we now have, talent, and the money to pay that OL accordingly.

Football is won and lost in the trenches and I am confident that our lines are now setting the stage for Brady's longevity in this league as the talented star that we know he is. When his WRs work themselves out, all will be splendido.

In the meantime, relax. Brady has not been himself but will come around strong as the chemistry comes together.

 

[shakadave]

Sorry..but Tom ought to look at his greedy little weasel ex-mates..It wasn';t the front office that did anything to Tom..PLEASE!! Failed to resign because they were greedy little pigs..Why should Brady be upset the FO did their best to sign them..Branch wanted BIG TIME buscks.. Brady takes less..and these clowns want more..how is that the FOs fault??Go follow the Cardinals or some other loser franchise..

Well said, 726.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Am I the only one who thinks Jackson and Gabriel will be better than Branch/Givens? Possibly before the seasons over?

If you include Caldwell vs. Andre Davis at #3, I'm with you - at least thinking it's reasonable.

Everyone needs to remember that yesterday was little different offensively than the regular season game vs. Denver last year (nothing until we were down big). And that we scored 3 points (that's 3) in the first half in the playoff game.

For whatever reason, Denver's defense kills us. Even with The Twig and Givens.

 

[MTaylorJ1]

If you include Caldwell vs. Andre Davis at #3, I'm with you - at least thinking it's reasonable.

Everyone needs to remember that yesterday was little different offensively than the regular season game vs. Denver last year (nothing until we were down big). And that we scored 3 points (that's 3) in the first half in the playoff game.

For whatever reason, Denver's defense kills us. Even with The Twig and Givens.

I agree with this also. Also, I think the Dillon injury was a bigger factor than people think, against a smaller, faster front 7, having a downhill RB like Dillon would have been a big asset. If I'm recalling correctly, he wasn't in past the first series and we didn't have him at all in the first Denver game last year.

Its just easier for people to look and say, yup, told you so, losing the receivers killed us, without stepping back and saying sure, we're not BETTER for having lost Branch, but is that really what drove what happened last night.

1. Brady had a few uncharacteristic under/over throws.
2. Defense got chewed up by the run.
3. Defense didn't get off the field on 3rd down.
4. Defense didn't cause any turnovers
5. Defense had them pinned against their goal line 3 times, didn't get the stop.
6. Never established the running game.

But because it makes for good print/radio/message board discussion. People will say. We're not good on offense because we lost our top 2 receivers.

 

[Kdo5]

Brady was lacking emotion, he wasnt motivating his team, he wasnt motivating his offense or anyone on it. Thats a big problem, Brady needs to get over this Branch thing and play like he should play and be the leader like he should be, because right now I'm totally pissed off with him. He may have gotten 320 yards last night but he still didnt look sharp. Recievers got open, they made good plays but then they failed on third down.

I'd hope this is about telling Brady to be the leader because he is not doing it right now and his offense looks dead emotionally. Lets face it, if Brady doesnt be the leader and motivator for his offense it will be a long year. If he does you'll see a spark back in the offense. The only time I saw Tom Brady emotional was when he was screaming and yelling at the officials.

 

[patsox23]

BS..I think Brady is ticked off...The offense has always been the poor step child in this organization...

Daniel Graham
Logan Mankins
Laurence Maroney
Chad Jackson
Ben Watson
A VERY competitive offer to Deion Branch who didn't counteroffer

Give me a break with this stuff. It's flailing, tantrum-y and BASELESS.

 

[the taildragger]

Brady was lacking emotion, he wasnt motivating his team, he wasnt motivating his offense or anyone on it. Thats a big problem, Brady needs to get over this Branch thing and play like he should play and be the leader like he should be, because right now I'm totally pissed off with him. He may have gotten 320 yards last night but he still didnt look sharp. Recievers got open, they made good plays but then they failed on third down.

I'd hope this is about telling Brady to be the leader because he is not doing it right now and his offense looks dead emotionally. Lets face it, if Brady doesnt be the leader and motivator for his offense it will be a long year. If he does you'll see a spark back in the offense. The only time I saw Tom Brady emotional was when he was screaming and yelling at the officials.

so about how many water bottles did he have to slam on the ground to beat Denver?

and whoever it was who said they need to spend more time practicing, the guy already spends 9-10 hours a day with his receivers.

THIS AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.

I'm glad there are at least a few of us who are showing some PATIENCE, but it's a little scary that the clear marjority of posters think you can just spit out your top two WRs and -- at the last minute -- incoroporate a bunch of new guys into the system.

How many times does Tom have to tell you that's insane??? Tom's a proven commodity, can we not agree on that? Look at the SITUATION HERE and start getting realistic about this.

What's his body language supposed to look like right now? Do you want him to freak out like John Gruden?...will that help our receivers? Should he pat them on the back? It's not a question of motivation. All these guys desperately want to win, some of them just need to learn how.

THERE IS NO QUICK FIX

 

[CrazyDave]

Am I the only one who thinks Jackson and Gabriel will be better than Branch/Givens? Possibly before the seasons over?

I'm with you.
And furthermore, I'm not all that into the "took away his top 2 weapons" bit.
I am of the opinion that Givens is just not that good.
Decent? Yes. But not special IMO.
What's up with Tom? I don't know. Maybe just a bad game?
I doubt he's still messed- up over Branch. If he is, than I would be very dissapointed.

 

[zippo59]

http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots/view.bg?articleid=159192


Here's a quote:

So Brady scuffles along, taking one for the team.

He was one of the last players out of the showers after the game, and when he got to locker, personnel director Scott Pioli was there. They chatted for a few moments, and then retreated together back into the trainer’s room.

After several minutes, team doctors starter filtering out, and Brady came out with a black sock pulled high over his left shin. Brady got dressed slowly and went to his press conference, where he put on as good a face as humanly possible.

Is that article supposed to be hinting that Brad is hurt?

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When a quarterback is tentative that can cause overthrows/underthrows even when the targets are open. I think Brady has looked pretty tentative (understandably) so that could be what is going on here. If that is this case then the problems will be greatly added simpley by the passing offense gaining familiarity.

 

[Brownfan80]

Is that article supposed to be hinting that Brad is hurt?

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When a quarterback is tentative that can cause overthrows/underthrows even when the targets are open. I think Brady has looked pretty tentative (understandably) so that could be what is going on here. If that is this case then the problems will be greatly added simpley by the passing offense gaining familiarity.

Brady did seem to take a low hit that he got up slowly from and looked down at his leg funny, he had a barely noticeable limp from there on out. I took note of it, but thought it was nothing until I just saw that article snippet.

 

[Brick]

It's possible that Pioli got a heads up that Brady was nicked up during the game. They probably retreated to the privacy of trainer's room to discuss it further because the Pats aren't exactly forthcoming about injuries.

IMO no matter whether it's the front office, Mcdaniels, departed and/or greedy ex- team mates Brady needs to know he's the field general out there. It starts with him- if his WR's are only open 5x a game he needs to make 5 completions. Anything less than a 100% effort will be viewed as weakness that will seep into the way they execute.

He may be a fictional TV character but there was a reason why you never saw Tony Soprano show weakness.

 

[Hawg 73]

I think the Pats receivers have the potential to be better than last seasons. But, the key is they actually need to be on the field and play!