Brady for MVP

[Pessimistic Pete]

I think it will be between him and Ryan

Brady
Record: 10-1

25 TDs
2 INTs
3,278 yards
110.7 Rating

Ryan
Record: 10-5

34 TDs
7 INTs
4,613 yards
115.5 Rating

Brady is the best player in the league, but the four missed games (**** the NFL) will end up costing him the MVP, Ryan's stats are great.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

You forgot the media's new Peyton Manning, the for whom they'll change around the criteria every year to ensure he wins. He plays for Green Bay.

 

[BobDigital]

Copy paste part of a post that is relevant to this.

#1 Ryan - He is so close to the top of every major QB stat including quantity and efficiency. Also his play has been MVP worthy and has done so without Julio Jones a few games. Not that he has lacked for options when he is not in there. Also 16 people have caught a pass from him this year. That is an NFL record.
He has not had a good D. The case against him though is his O was stacked most of the year and he might finish with less wins than Brady or he same in 4 more games while not playing as well as him over that span and Brady did it without Gronk half of his year while Ryan has had Julio almost all of his.

#2 Brady - Like I said what Brady does on Miami can force this. Foles didn't win the MVP his 27/2 TD/Int year but did it against Manning's 55 TD year and played in less games (starts) with less YPG. Brady will need all 12 games to make his MVP case over other people. With 3 TDs and 0 Ints and a 11-1 record he will have posted the best TD/Int ratio of all time and have 11 wins that Ryan may or may not match. Basically he will have accomplished as much as Ryan and done it better in less time. That is how he makes his case over him.

Worth noting i think Rodgers can take it but only if both falter. It will be a nail biter and comes down near entirely to this week IMO. Brady plays at Miami and Ryan plays the Saints at home so Ryan has an edge there. I think if it goes like I said and if Brady has the game I said he needs it will be close but Brady squeaks out. If Brady wins and has a good game and Ryan is okay but loses Brady wins easy. If Brady has 11 wins and Ryan has 10 and a much better TD/Int ratio how can you even argue Brady shouldn't win as he got his team more wins than Ryan.

The main key for Brady to keep the argument is he can't throw an Int and still win MVP likely. He needs that insane TD/Int ratio as that is his main argument over Ryan. Even 1 Int hurts his chances a great deal and is almost a deal Breaker though 28/3 (for instance) is way better than say 37/8 (if both do 3TD/1int). However like i said if that happens but Ryan loses then I think Brady takes it anyway.

 

[TBR]

I think Brady should get it, but I won't care too much if he doesn't. SB and SB MVP is what I want to see him win.

Now before someone brings up Rodgers, which I think is absurd that he's even getting consideration...

- Lost to the Colts at home.
- Blown out vs Titans. Looked woeful.
- Blown out vs Redskins in primetime the following week. Looked woeful.

All that happened in consecutive weeks, in the midst of a 4 game losing streak. (lost 5 of 6). 3 picks in that span.

Also didn't look good in first 4 games of the year (went 3-1) but with completion % in the 50s in 3 of 4 games, threw for 199, 213, 205 and 259. 3 picks in that span.

Brady has 2 picks all year. Averaging 300 yards per game prior today (would've maintained if he didn't sit for full quarter. Now at 298) which is more than Rodgers who's passing stats are inflated because of no RB. Especially in redzone where I'm sure they throw it far more often.

Rodgers only picked up his play from week 12 onward. So that will be a total of 5 games, assuming he doesn't blow week 17 vs the Lions.

I'd give it to Ryan, then Stafford (if Lions make playoffs) or even Carr, ahead of Rodgers.

 

[wolverinejoe80]

rodgers gonna win it. bigger and sexier name than ryan. and 'we'll run the table' comment resonates with these idiot voters

 

[SVN]

As i said in the game thread, i dont get the rodgers hate. He is doing what he can do on very bad defensive team which has to convert a WR to play RB. Brady is the best ever but right now the media is giving him the same manning treatment which pissed me off so much. People declared brady mvp after 2 games of his return. For me brady shouldve won in 2006. He literally put the team on his shoulders.
Just flip matt ryan and brady and say ryan missed 4 games. We would be killing the media for considering ryan. Carr has a bad game and suddenly he is not in the MVP race but brady has missed 4 games ,that shouldnt be counted ..Just my 2 cents. I personally dont care about the MVP, an award given by writers like Peter King.

 

[deroc5050]

I honestly don't care. I find the MVP winner sort of like the Madden Curse. The media is all chanting MVP for Brady btw. If anyone is the new Peyton Manning its Brady.


I am surprised at all the media love TB12 is getting from ESPN and CBS, they all voted for Brady after week 15. He missed 4 games.. If Rodgers missed 4 games and put up comparable numbers I would have a problem with Rodgers winning MVP.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

As i said in the game thread, i dont get the rodgers hate. He is doing what he can do on very bad defensive team which has to convert a WR to play RB. Brady is the best ever but right now the media is giving him the same manning treatment which pissed me off so much. People declared brady mvp after 2 games of his return. For me brady shouldve won in 2006. He literally put the team on his shoulders.
Just flip matt ryan and brady and say ryan missed 4 games. We would be killing the media for considering ryan. Carr has a bad game and suddenly he is not in the MVP race but brady has missed 4 games ,that shouldnt be counted ..Just my 2 cents. I personally dont care about the MVP, an award given by writers like Peter King.

It's the annoyance of the media and the dumb catch phrases like R-E-L-A-X and "run the table" that they overplay. The run the table thing is so stupid because the Packers slate of opponents during their last six games was horrendous, so no one should be surprised. Rodgers was lackluster against most competitive opponents...he doesn't deserve the award or even consideration in losing 6 games.

 

[Flash]

Ryan has better stats than Rodgers and he has been much more consistent than Rodgers overall in the season. If Ryan wins it over Brady I would not be upset at all, he had a great year. If Rodgers wins then it is a travesty similar to Brees not winning it in 2009 (going off of recent MVP snubs).

 

[SVN]

It's the annoyance of the media and the dumb catch phrases like R-E-L-A-X and "run the table" that they overplay. The run the table thing is so stupid because the Packers slate of opponents during their last six games was horrendous, so no one should be surprised. Rodgers was lackluster against most competitive opponents...he doesn't deserve the award or even consideration in losing 6 games.

You can blame the media for it sure. But if you look at brady in 2006, we were terrible in the beginning with really no one on offense but we had brady and BB. But I think brady did his best with what we had and shouldve been considered for MVP. Packers are not a well coached team and their defense is horrendous. Still for all his 'bad' play, rodgers has 36 TDs and 7 ints. Do i think rodgers should be MVP? Under the current criteria , probably not. But for a team which was being called toast and out of playoff contention, to win even vs bad teams is something not easy to do. Its the meaning of the award which been lost.
For e.g , everyone thinks elliot should be MVP or their oline but I personally feel their rookie QB should be above those 2. Its not easy for a rookie to come in and play when he wasnt supposed and carry the team.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

Has he ever won the superbowl when he won mvp?

 

[Joey007]

You forgot the media's new Peyton Manning, the for whom they'll change around the criteria every year to ensure he wins. He plays for Green Bay.

I actually hope that, if they meet in the SB, Rodgers wins the MVP.

Could you imagine the fire that will be lit under Brady?? And against that GB secondary? Look out.

 

[ScottishPatriots]

Brady will get robbed they'll give it to Zeke

 

[SVN]

Has he ever won the superbowl when he won mvp?

Last person to do the double was Kurt Warner.

 

[SVN]

Ryan has better stats than Rodgers and he has been much more consistent than Rodgers overall in the season. If Ryan wins it over Brady I would not be upset at all, he had a great year. If Rodgers wins then it is a travesty similar to Brees not winning it in 2009 (going off of recent MVP snubs).

Ryan will not win. He will get the Brady treatment which brady got when manning used to win those MVPs.Right its all about Brady and the Cowboys. I think carr has done more for his team and should be given strong consideration but they wont.

 

[TB_Helmet]

I honestly don't care. I find the MVP winner sort of like the Madden Curse. The media is all chanting MVP for Brady btw. If anyone is the new Peyton Manning its Brady.


I am surprised at all the media love TB12 is getting from ESPN and CBS, they all voted for Brady after week 15. He missed 4 games.. If Rodgers missed 4 games and put up comparable numbers I would have a problem with Rodgers winning MVP.

I don't understand what you (and others in the thread) mean when you say Brady is the new Manning. Can you elaborate?

 

[wolverinejoe80]

Brady will get robbed they'll give it to Zeke

zeke has a zero chance.

 

[luuked]

Who except people that want to keep on having those pointless Brady vs. Manning/Rodgers/?? debates for ages to come gives a **** about the MVP.. we got a superbowl to win, that's the only thing that counts..

 

[ErniesPinkStripes]

Screw the MVP, we got bigger gifts to go after, the *League would never allow it anyways so anyone dreaming about a Brady MVP award is crazy.. Jmo

 

[borg]

It's Ryans to lose though I would give it to Elliot.

-Ryans offense has put up 502 points this year (33 pts/game)...96 more points than NE (+6.4 pts/game)
-In Atlanta's 5 losses, the offense scored 24 or more points in 4 of those games
-Ryan's most negative stat is sacks (36) but still his offense is 1 pt/game less productive than the 2007 Patriots

-Elliot is carrying Dallas
-1900 yds (1550 rush / 350 receiving) in 14 games......135 yds/game total offense
-#1 in first downs (88)....he grinds
-#1 in plays of 20+ yds....he hits home runs
-Dallas #1 in Time of Possession (32:22)....he keeps opponents offenses off the field

Regarding Brady....despite his amazing efficiency and production:
-Atlanta's offense is significantly better
-Brady missed 4 games and voters will use this to deny Brady
-without Brady, NE played .750 ball....more ammo to deny Brady
-will voters value "per game" production over total production? (we are a lazy species)

Conclusion: Ryan wins over Elliot because QBs are deemed most important. Elliot's accomplishments will be marginalized because of the quality of Dallas' OL ...yet QBs never get punished for their receivers YAC/playmaking ability which elevates total passing yards. (seems unfair).
My hope is that Elliot breaks the QB streak. Franchise carrying RBs take more punishment in a game than some QBs in a year....tackled by multiple 250-350 lb monsters 25 times/game. Shortened careers, fewer dollars, high injury risk. Lets reward this franchise elevating RB.
Brady's best shot is if voters want to send an "up yours" message to Goodell. How likely is that outside NE?

Just how I see it playing out....hope I'm wrong and Brady gets a regular season trophy

PS...at this time, no one in the NFL is playing better than Rodgers