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Boston Herald - Inside the Patriots’ 2024 season, Jerod Mayo’s firing and a franchise’s continued fall

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This is all so entirely unsurprising. It was obvious in that first press conference that he had no vision for the team. He just spoke in generic corporate language and of being nice to each other - as if that alone makes a team. It then became obvious when he kept talking about being a CEO that he had no intention of grinding and doing what was necessary to build a successful franchise. He stepped back, pushed work onto his staff and then blamed them when it went wrong. And it was obvious by training camp that his so called culture reset just meant allowing players to do whatever they wanted, and discipline went out the window. The Judon episode was the prime example.
 
Shocking.

 
Man, Kraft really created a monster by inflating Mayo's ego when he made Mayo the coach in waiting. This report lends credence to the reports last year about Mayo high-handing other coaches and his baseball bat swinging in meetings. The more that comes out about Mayo, the more it feels like he was basically playing dress-up. I wonder if his computer was even plugged in when he worked at Optum.
This is what bugs me. Everyone says "he needed more time to learn, to grow..." Why? He knew FOR YEARS he was going to be a head coach soon, guaranteed. Why wasn't he doing everything he could to learn THEN? By all accounts he basically just said "I got the golden ticket, I don't really need to try, I'll figure it out when I get there" and then he got here and didn't know WTF to do, but still pretended like he did to keep up the facade.
 
There's another section in the article that's a bit lengthy but basically talks about how training camp was "grueling" at first because of how Mayo made them run laps every time they had a penalty or turnover "because penalties will kill you". Except, guys weren't listening and kept committing penalties and turnovers, so eventually he stopped making them run laps and gave up. This made the players start trying to "test the line" to see what the limit was of what they could get away with, and no one ever found the line.
 
Compare that to the Arizona game where Mayo said afterward that there "was nothing to be learned" from it, and they would not study it, then they proceeded to get blown out even worse 2 weeks later.

Kiss of death right there. That wasn't an 'on to Cincinnati' game. In fact tt was 180 degrees opposed to it. You came off your bye week and got smoked, that's a time for some serious wtf happened there self assessment.
 
On a neutral casual message board, when Mayo was fired they said it was a bad look for the Pats that he was fired after one season, their first African American coach. And what did I think, since I was the resident Pats fan. I informed them that there wasn’t a single thing we saw that he did well, and that the firing had at least a 90% approval rate among Pats fans.

I would now revise that estimate up to a 99% approval rate. I’ve never seen this fanbase so in agreement on any move than the firing of Jerod Mayo.
 
Thanks for doing that.

I am really sick of hearing about "talent" - yes, the roster was bad. However, the defense was the same roster that Bill and Steve worked with the prior year (plus Gonzo on top) and it regressed badly. The offense was largely as good as what BOB worked with the prior year but with Maye added. So overall IMO it was at least 10% better. The team should have looked 10% better, but they looked and played far worse, record aside. It's such a flimsy excuse - "well the team had a bad roster so what can we do?" Okay, so why do you have a job then? We may as well have no coaches because with a bad roster what's the point? May as well forfeit, save ourselves the cash paying you. You can still show you're building something even with less talent. And the gulf in talent between the worst NFL team and best NFL team is not as wide as they want to make you believe.
The Bills game proved that talent wasn't entirely the problem. Neither team tried to gameplan a victory which meant coaching was less impactful on the score sheet
 
When people mention the lack of talent I always think back to 2001.

Who thought that 2001 team had close to enough talent to win a SB?
It took an experienced HC and staff to pull it off. BB was a HC prior. Weis had a track record and brought the spread offense to the NFL. After the Pats won the Lombardi, colleges across the country began implementing parts of the NE offense into their programs. Crennel had experience up and down. Dante Scarnechias reputation proceeded him. Brad Seely (IIRC) coached Special Teams which did their fair share in winning it all.

IMO, The current Norte Dame Irish are very much like the 2001 Pats. All 3 phases step up. They are coached really well. Next man up has worked until now.

Plus, the 2001 team already had talent - McGinest, Troy Brown, Bruschi, Law, Milloy, Vinatieri, Faulk, Ted Johnson, Woody, plus role players like Pass, Redmond, Randall, Tbucky, Nugent, Mitchell.

The 2001 Pats didnt need to score a lot of points because they generally did not give up a lot of points. Which allowed Brady to just manage the game, move the chains and occasionally make the incredible play.
 
This actually does not make sense to me.

If Stevenson was not starting then he would not have been part of the game opening script. This would have been determined during the week. AVP would have known and Stevenson would have known then. There is no way to say "AVP forgot" because it would've gone into the game plan.

The only way this can be true is if:
A) Mayo told AVP during the week, AVP forgot and never remembered all week and made a whole game opening script featuring Stevenson, and Mayo just somehow never noticed this also then also forgot himself, but then blamed AVP
or
B) Mayo just made up that Stevenson would be benched 30 minutes before the game was starting and "told AVP" to bench Stevenson after it was too late. AVP could have run around to Stevenson and Gibson and told them the change, and then educated Gibson on the plan, but... that's stupid, and AVP probably had a lot of other better things to do like prep Milton.
There is a third possibility. Mayo told AVP earlier in the week and AVP ignored him, tired of the **** show and getting thrown under the bus, and likely wanting out at the end of the season anyway.
 
Another gem:

"He kept talking about these North Stars," a team source said. "And all of us in the building were like, What are they? Can you share them with us? What's the goal? What's the vision here?"
He even talks like an inspirational cult leader. Man, did he have Kraft hooked (still does, I think).
 
On a neutral casual message board, when Mayo was fired they said it was a bad look for the Pats that he was fired after one season, their first African American coach. And what did I think, since I was the resident Pats fan. I informed them that there wasn’t a single thing we saw that he did well, and that the firing had at least a 90% approval rate among Pats fans.

I would now revise that estimate up to a 99% approval rate. I’ve never seen this fanbase so in agreement on any move than the firing of Jerod Mayo.
It is a bad look.

Kraft is doing a great job on offense with these Mayo stories of him playing peeknuckle with the guys on the plane ride home.

This could be a Seinfeld episode. Its like when George would sleep in his office all day and then Roger Penske (of the Penske file) wanted to hire him away to work for him. What are the Pats? A billion dollar operation? These are the kinds of decisions that come from the top?
 
On a neutral casual message board, when Mayo was fired they said it was a bad look for the Pats that he was fired after one season, their first African American coach. And what did I think, since I was the resident Pats fan. I informed them that there wasn’t a single thing we saw that he did well, and that the firing had at least a 90% approval rate among Pats fans.

I would now revise that estimate up to a 99% approval rate. I’ve never seen this fanbase so in agreement on any move than the firing of Jerod Mayo.
As far as I can tell there are only a few holdouts, archstanton253 being one (unless he's come around). There's another guy that thinks Mayo should have gotten another year, but his handle escapes me.
 
As far as I can tell there are only a few holdouts, archstanton253 being one (unless he's come around). There's another guy that thinks Mayo should have gotten another year, but his handle escapes me.
I never wanted Mayo to stay. I said, I thought the Krafts would keep him another year. Not that I wanted him to coach for another year.
 
It seems like since the Brady drama, Kraft has spent so much focus on BB's "personality" and how that wore on people. It seems like Kraft thought everything in the organization was still great just that BB's personality was the problem. From the outside looking in, it was obvious that the organization didn't have the same great minds on the coaching staff and personnel department around BB. They were bleeding in those areas as "BB's guys" started moving on and aging out. After two decades, BB was old enough that he was having a hard time replacing all the brain drains over the years and he himself was become more and more aged out of the modern game.

But Kraft seems like he had the idea that all of the people were still right but it was just BB's personality and rigidness not letting them flourish. Because he saw that chase Brady away who he obviously adored and wanted to retire here. He held that resentment against Bill for his personality and he started focusing everything on getting anti-Bill on that front. He started to overlook actual football qualifications and ignored that the coach who puts discipline into the team isn't always going to be the jolly-good-fellow too.

I don't think it was just Kraft. Even players over the years seemed on board. While they were winning people thought "why can't we just keep preparing and executing like we are except the coach isn't being an a-hole about it" except ignoring that the coach being an a-hole about it was part of what kept them so laser focused and meticulous over the years.

I'm not saying there weren't aspects of how BB was that don't need to be updated but it has to be a balance. You can't operate on either extreme where it's so business like and miserable (won't work in today's game) but it also has to be about more than just vibes.
 
This is all so entirely unsurprising. It was obvious in that first press conference that he had no vision for the team. He just spoke in generic corporate language and of being nice to each other - as if that alone makes a team. It then became obvious when he kept talking about being a CEO that he had no intention of grinding and doing what was necessary to build a successful franchise. He stepped back, pushed work onto his staff and then blamed them when it went wrong. And it was obvious by training camp that his so called culture reset just meant allowing players to do whatever they wanted, and discipline went out the window. The Judon episode was the prime example.
There really were so many red flags when you go back and think about it. Even if you ignore the maneuvering when Bill was still here and start from when Mayo became official, it really was bad from the start.

The press conference with Kraft with the corporate gibberish and the ridiculous "Thunder" nonsense.

The dozen or so OC candidates interviewed before being able to land AVP.

The "cash to burn" frenzy.

Seemingly not on the same page with the front office/AVP starting as early as the summer with the back and forth on Brissett starting or Maye.

Letting Judon wander around training camp practice as a malcontent and then getting into an "animated discussion" with him with the media present.

Early finger-pointing about the state of the roster and his "You tell me. I'm not going there" comment when asked. Basically blaming Bill while indirectly crapping on the players he had.

Calling the team soft, then backtracking, then pretending like that he was some brilliant motivator after they won that week.

Continually letting the receiver room talk (and apparently show up late or not at all) with zero repercussions. Boutte said some borderline stupid things, Polk continually said stupid things, Osborn basically endorsed a post about how he hated being here, and Bourne seemed to be a half-ass pick as the "leader" of that room.

The "You said it. I didn't" comment when asked why they didn't have Drake run on 3rd and 4th and 1st.

Telling reporters before the game Stevenson would be benched to start the game only for him to be the starter 20 minutes later.

These are all things that had nothing to do with actual games. Mayo mismanaged the clock, timeouts, game plans, etc. All things that you'd expect from a first-year coach, especially with as little experience as Mayo had, but everything above was self-inflicted. The repeated lack of accountability, his comments that came off as finger pointing. The complete lack of media savvy to the point where it was basically expected that he would provide a soundbite, he would have to walk back the next day. The inexplicably poor communication amongst the front office, coaching staff, and players. And finally, a complete inability to instill any sort of discipline for on-field mistakes and players’ stupid comments to the media.

The red flags were there from the start, and I think the Krafts realized there were problems pretty early. The leak about them calling around to see what the best way to develop Maye was was a damning indictment pretty early on. The fact that Mayo had this many missteps in public the last year leads one to wonder how bad it actually was behind closed doors.
 
This actually does not make sense to me.

If Stevenson was not starting then he would not have been part of the game opening script. This would have been determined during the week. AVP would have known and Stevenson would have known then. There is no way to say "AVP forgot" because it would've gone into the game plan.

The only way this can be true is if:
A) Mayo told AVP during the week, AVP forgot and never remembered all week and made a whole game opening script featuring Stevenson, and Mayo just somehow never noticed this also then also forgot himself, but then blamed AVP
or
B) Mayo just made up that Stevenson would be benched 30 minutes before the game was starting and "told AVP" to bench Stevenson after it was too late. AVP could have run around to Stevenson and Gibson and told them the change, and then educated Gibson on the plan, but... that's stupid, and AVP probably had a lot of other better things to do like prep Milton.
I think I figured it out. He said he relayed the information to a VP. Not AVP. Probably relayed the information to Eliot Wolf, VP of Player Personnel, when they were reviewing the roster.
 
This is what bugs me. Everyone says "he needed more time to learn, to grow..." Why? He knew FOR YEARS he was going to be a head coach soon, guaranteed. Why wasn't he doing everything he could to learn THEN? By all accounts he basically just said "I got the golden ticket, I don't really need to try, I'll figure it out when I get there" and then he got here and didn't know WTF to do, but still pretended like he did to keep up the facade.
I think that was another misstep by Kraft. Who knows what was communicated to Bill and what the plan was but it is reasonable to assume that the plan was for Bill to mentor Mayo. Whether it was Bill getting wind of the succession plan and not agreeing on the timeline, Mayo just being an ******* about it to the point Bill didn't want to work with him, or Bill being blindsided by the entire thing and shutting down communication with Mayo as soon as he found out, it was ridiculous to assume Bill would coach up a guy who was forcing him out.

Kraft completely bungled this one. The only chance this had to work was to have a top flight OC in place and a DC who was a previous head coach in the league that Mayo could lean on. That way the OC could run the offense and develop Drake and Mayo could concentrate on the defense while being guided along by a guy who had been in Mayo's shoes before.

Even if all those things happened based on what we are hearing about Mayo's personality and his actions I still don't think it would have worked long term. When people say he needed time to grow I think theyre thinking about him learning the ins and outs of game planning, personnel usage, and other game day related things but when the head coach is blowing off watching film with his assistants to play cards, no amount of time will fix that. That is a mentality that just won't succeed 99% of the time.
 
It seems like since the Brady drama, Kraft has spent so much focus on BB's "personality" and how that wore on people. It seems like Kraft thought everything in the organization was still great just that BB's personality was the problem. From the outside looking in, it was obvious that the organization didn't have the same great minds on the coaching staff and personnel department around BB. They were bleeding in those areas as "BB's guys" started moving on and aging out. After two decades, BB was old enough that he was having a hard time replacing all the brain drains over the years and he himself was become more and more aged out of the modern game.

But Kraft seems like he had the idea that all of the people were still right but it was just BB's personality and rigidness not letting them flourish. Because he saw that chase Brady away who he obviously adored and wanted to retire here. He held that resentment against Bill for his personality and he started focusing everything on getting anti-Bill on that front. He started to overlook actual football qualifications and ignored that the coach who puts discipline into the team isn't always going to be the jolly-good-fellow too.

I don't think it was just Kraft. Even players over the years seemed on board. While they were winning people thought "why can't we just keep preparing and executing like we are except the coach isn't being an a-hole about it" except ignoring that the coach being an a-hole about it was part of what kept them so laser focused and meticulous over the years.

I'm not saying there weren't aspects of how BB was that don't need to be updated but it has to be a balance. You can't operate on either extreme where it's so business like and miserable (won't work in today's game) but it also has to be about more than just vibes.
Don’t forget about all of the coaching and front office losses the Pats had under BB. It is like a who’s who of the NFL.

The fact that they kept winning after all of the raids is a real testament to how great the dynasty was.

An area that I would like to see the NFL do better is compensating teams for these losses.

There are comp picks for FA losses but not for coaches and executives that you developed.

It won’t help the Pats now for all of the losses they endured during the dynasty, but shouldn’t Detroit be compensated in some way if Ben Johnson leaves? He wasn’t a hot commodity before Detroit.
 
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