BOB 'Completely Reworking' Pats Offense

[Sicilian]

Saw some articles going around that BOB was specifically interested in coming to NE because Mac was the QB and wanted to scheme for/around him. That's a positive.

Agreed. At the very least, it means that he's coming into this year with a refined plan from the get-go, which is more than they had last year. How successful it will be will depend on how GOOD that plan is, how well Mac translates it, and a bit of health luck.

 

[captain stone]

Whatever O'Brien is doing with the offense, it's all still coming down to QB play.

Agree

Firstly, a New Starting LEFT Tackle, and Both a Center And Right Tackle of the Future all still need to be found, because None of those dudes are currently in the building.

 

[n1997y]

Can they remove the 3rd and long plays where everyone knows they will throw the ball? That would be great!

I’d love to see that. Ideally let’s remove third down plays entirely. Just convert on first or second down all the time.

 

[ahmed]

Until we see the results on the field, it's all just blah blah...

 

[mike_usagisan]

Until we see the results on the field, it's all just blah blah...

So, just shut the website down until August?

 

[VJCPatriot]

I wasn't asking about last season or changing any story, I was asking about how the pessimists/trolls would spin this upcoming season, and I got at least one answer: BOB sucks because various Alabama fans were glad to get rid of him. I wasn't asking about last season because I have stated BB made a huge mistake and I have moved on.

You're tilting at windmills. Providing ONE quote of a person pining for the days of Matt Patricia and Joe Judge. You can't because this is absolutely made up hogwash to change the narrative and blame people who were completely justified in calling out the MP/JJ move as a huge BLUNDER by BB.

 

[Vindicate]

So, just shut the website down until August?

Don't be so goddamn pessimistic.









i promise a ******** story will come out between now and the draft that creates a 1000 paged thread.

 

[VJCPatriot]

So, just shut the website down until August?

Correct. We're not allowed to have opinions or speculate on the future, because this is not a web forum for open football discussion anymore. Aparently it's only the rarefied realm for "koolaid" sippers who completely agree with BB, no matter how many mistakes he makes as a GM.

 

[Pats1971]

When you keep trying to change the offense to make the QB successful, the issue might be the QB.

 

[All3Phases]

When you keep trying to change the offense to make the QB successful, the issue might be the QB.

To be fair, they had to change it last year because me and you were trying to coach it...But theres no proof still that the quarterback can elevate their offense regardless

 

[Sicilian]

When you keep trying to change the offense to make the QB successful, the issue might be the QB.

The QB was successful (in the context of a rookie), with a good OC. Then that OC left and took all but a couple of the offensive staff with him, and they tried to piece it together with random coaches in a hilarious s**tshow, so they brought back a guy who is familiar with what they used to do (and what Mac has done successfully in two different places). They're not changing it constantly because of Mac. He has a lot to prove, but there's only so much you can expect a young QB to overcome in a given year.

 

[Pats1971]

The QB was successful (in the context of a rookie), with a good OC. Then that OC left and took all but a couple of the offensive staff with him, and they tried to piece it together with random coaches in a hilarious s**tshow, so they brought back a guy who is familiar with what they used to do (and what Mac has done successfully in two different places). They're not changing it constantly because of Mac. He has a lot to prove, but there's only so much you can expect a young QB to overcome in a given year.

The pats have had the same offense for 20 years with 4 different coordinators, Brady leaves, then all of the sudden they need to change it. So yeah, its because of the QB.

 

[Sicilian]

The pats have had the same offense for 20 years with 4 different coordinators, Brady leaves, then all of the sudden they need to change it. So yeah, its because of the QB.

If you think the offense in 2001 when Brady was a rookie, is the same exact offense from 2019 when Brady was last here, I think you're oversimplifying things. The offense evolved with Brady over the course of 20 years. 2007 was a lot different than 2011. Both were different from 2001, etc. The offense needed to change (slightly) because yes, you can't run the same thing with a rookie that you could run with a 20 year veteran Tom Brady. That would have been the case with any QB coming in in 2021. You claiming they want to shift the offense to more of what Mac is good at is not the indictment on him that you think it is.

 

[Tunescribe]

The pats have had the same offense for 20 years with 4 different coordinators, Brady leaves, then all of the sudden they need to change it. So yeah, its because of the QB.

Can anyone quantify how much the offense was changed for Cam? For Mac's rookie campaign? Not much as best I recall, considering McDaniels still was OC. The offense WAS changed significantly last season, but definitely not because of the quarterback.

 

[patfanken]

The QB was successful (in the context of a rookie), with a good OC. Then that OC left and took all but a couple of the offensive staff with him, and they tried to piece it together with random coaches in a hilarious s**tshow, so they brought back a guy who is familiar with what they used to do (and what Mac has done successfully in two different places). They're not changing it constantly because of Mac. He has a lot to prove, but there's only so much you can expect a young QB to overcome in a given year.

Bill did NOT try the MP/JJ experiment and THEN hired BOB. Bill O'Brien was ALWAYS going to be the OC in 2023. What happened in 2022 was merely a holding action that simply didn't work out. Blame Bill for ALL the offensive failures of last year. He deserves it. He hoped that MP/JJ could adequately fill that gap with a relatively competent result. DIDN'T happen!

And he moved on as we all should at this point. Do you think that over the last 20 odd years he hasn't tried and failed at other things that....didn't work out. There were probably DOZENS of them....albeit none as public and obvious as this one. One of the keys to his longevity and success over the years was he has ALWAYS viewed each year as a COMPLETELY separate entity.

BTW- Maybe its time we took a moment to realize that as ****ed up and disappointing as it seemed to us, it wasn't like this was like some of the 2-14 type teams we used to see every couple of years PRIOR to Bill. This was a team that was one win away from a playoff berth. The offense sucked, but there were about 10 other teams whose offenses were WORSE (based on what site you went to) in fact they came in at 16th in scoring (which is ultimately what's important on offense. So this wasn't exactly the worst offense in NFL history, like so many seem to think based on their posts.

What it actually was, was a clear disappointment based on our EXPECTATIONS that were based on what we saw in 2021. A year we had the best of the 5 rookie QB's in the draft....by far. And had an 800 yd WR who had only played a third of the offensive snap (Bourne) We had a decent OL which looked pretty good for a while with Wynn at LT and Brown at right. I think it was Wynn's best season as a Patriot and not surprisingly the only year he suited up all 16 game (15 starts). Add the expected second year jump from our rookie QB who threw for around 3800yd his rookie season throwing to a real patchwork group of WR's.

Maybe almost a WORSE decision, imho, as the one to have the MP/JJ experiment, was switching Wynn and Brown. I can understand the logic behind it, but the end result was a disaster. Wynn didn't work out at all and then got hurt....again. And Brown, who wasn't bad, didn't seem to have as good as year as the year before with WAY to many penalties. Bourne for some reason, never became the impact player I expected, and really ended up a non-factor. Andrews missing 3 games in the middle of the season.

NO ONE expected a regression from Mac, a disappearance of Bourne, Smith, and to some effect Henry, a middling often injured OL, where only the RB's seemed to have consistent success. But that is what we got. We THINK we know the reasons since we've discussed them ad nauseum for the better part of the last FIVE months

I guess this was a short point made long by me (as usual) to say THIS. The time to ***** and moan about the bad things that happened LAST year is over. This is really a new slate. The 2023 team has yet to come into focus and won't for a long while. The next several months SHOULD be spent talking about new additions, comparing ourselves to other teams. Deciding who won the "woodie johnson trophy" for winning the paper off season. (also known as "the Joker".) That's always good fun passing the time, etc. AND the draft. I really want to know that if you have Joey Porter, JSN and Bryce Bresee sitting there at 14 what do you do. Where do you stand on the DT from Pittsburgh. etc, etc,

But this will be the last time, I'm going to bother to post about LAST season's issues and problems. Troll all you want. I'm done.

 

[archstanton543]

Bill did NOT try the MP/JJ experiment and THEN hired BOB. Bill O'Brien was ALWAYS going to be the OC in 2023. What happened in 2022 was merely a holding action that simply didn't work out. Blame Bill for ALL the offensive failures of last year. He deserves it. He hoped that MP/JJ could adequately fill that gap with a relatively competent result. DIDN'T happen!

And he moved on as we all should at this point. Do you think that over the last 20 odd years he hasn't tried and failed at other things that....didn't work out. There were probably DOZENS of them....albeit none as public and obvious as this one. One of the keys to his longevity and success over the years was he has ALWAYS viewed each year as a COMPLETELY separate entity.

BTW- Maybe its time we took a moment to realize that as ****ed up and disappointing as it seemed to us, it wasn't like this was like some of the 2-14 type teams we used to see every couple of years PRIOR to Bill. This was a team that was one win away from a playoff berth. The offense sucked, but there were about 10 other teams whose offenses were WORSE (based on what site you went to) in fact they came in at 16th in scoring (which is ultimately what's important on offense. So this wasn't exactly the worst offense in NFL history, like so many seem to think based on their posts.

What it actually was a clear disappointment based on our EXPECTATIONS that were based on what we saw in 2021. A year we had the best of the 5 rookie QB's in the draft....by far. And had an 800 yd WR who had only played a third of the offensive snap (Bourne) We had a decent OL which looked pretty good for a while with Wynn at LT and Brown at right. I think it was Wynn's best season as a Patriot and not surprisingly the only year he suited up all 16 game (15 starts). Add the expected second year jump from our rookie QB who threw for around 3800yd his rookie season throwing to a real patchwork group of WR's.

Maybe almost a WORSE decision, imho, as the one to have the MP/JJ experiment, was switching Wynn and Brown. I can understand the logic behind it, but the end result was a disaster. Wynn didn't work out at all and then got hurt....again. And Brown, who wasn't bad, didn't seem to have as good as year as the year before with WAY to many penalties. Bourne for some reason, never became the impact player I expected, and really ended up a non-factor. Andrews missing 3 games in the middle of the season.

NO ONE expected a regression from Mac, a disappearance of Bourne, Smith, and to some effect Henry, a middling often injured OL, where only the RB's seemed to have consistent success. But that is what we got. We THINK we know the reasons and we've discussed them ad nauseum.

I guess this was a short point made long by me (as usual) to say THIS. The time to ***** and moan about the bad things that happened LAST year is over. This is really a new slate. The 2023 team has yet to come into focus and won't for a long while. The next several month SHOULD be spent talking about new additions, comparing ourselves to other teams. Deciding who won the "woodie johnson trophy" for winning the paper off season. (also known as "the Joker".) That's always good fun passing the time, etc. AND the draft, lots there of course.

But this will be the last time, I'm going to bother to post about LAST season's issues and problems. Troll all you want. I'm done.

Nope. That narrative makes no sense. BoB was never the plan all along. It makes no logical sense. The plan was for Matt/Judge to succeed and be the OC/QB Coach going forward. Then when that blew up, BB had to go and get BoB. If BB wanted BoB last year, he could have gone and got him.

 

[All3Phases]

Nope. That narrative makes no sense. BoB was never the plan all along. It makes no logical sense. The plan was for Matt/Judge to succeed and be the OC/QB Coach going forward. Then when that blew up, BB had to go and get BoB. If BB wanted BoB last year, he could have gone and got him.

If we want to admit that the plan was for BOB to take over in 23, and have a holding period in 22...then we also have to admit he didnt do what is best for the team, and he essentially treated 2022 like a throwaway year...All that while having your most prized possession entering his 2nd year, which the owner admitted was the most important year in his career trajectory? Dont think so

 

[Bill Lee]

You're tilting at windmills. Providing ONE quote of a person pining for the days of Matt Patricia and Joe Judge. You can't because this is absolutely made up hogwash to change the narrative and blame people who were completely justified in calling out the MP/JJ move as a huge BLUNDER by BB.

You're full of ****. It's your paranoia that's finding blame when none is being assigned.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Saw some articles going around that BOB was specifically interested in coming to NE because Mac was the QB and wanted to scheme for/around him. That's a positive.

Honestly, who wouldn’t? It’s the perfect situation for any OC. There is no downside. If you can turn the offense and Mac around, you would be seen as the next best thing in the league and if you can’t it would be because Mac can’t play and the offense lack talent.

 

[NormZauchin]

If we want to admit that the plan was for BOB to take over in 23, and have a holding period in 22...then we also have to admit he didnt do what is best for the team, and he essentially treated 2022 like a throwaway year...All that while having your most prized possession entering his 2nd year, which the owner admitted was the most important year in his career trajectory? Dont think so

That's what has bothered me the most about the theory that BOB was scheduled to come here in 2023 and that Patricia/Judge were a holding action. It was a tremendous risk to ****** the development of your prize second year quarterback, who was so promising as a rookie, with a novice offensive coordinator and a novice quarterback coach. I could see it, maybe, with a veteran QB, but with a quarterback still learning the ropes. it was foolhardy.