Blandino explains Hochuli's 'forward progress' call

[XLIX]

Hochuli's a good official who blew a call. It happens. BB was diplomatic about it, and Blandino's lying about it.

Stupid.

No, Hochuli is a terrible official who blew a call.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Wish I could give you a like agree and winner. Be honest, admit mistakes, and try to improve going forward. It's the most anyone can ask for cuz in real life **** happens. It's the cover up and lying I can't stand

Exactly. They think they walk on water and any instance of fault or being in the wrong they spin and deflect it. I can't stand it. Its such a turn off.

 

[XLIX]

And not only that, but it pretty much makes it impossible for a quarterback to ever fumble while getting sacked

I agree 100%. If that was "forward progress" then no QB has ever fumbled on a sack in the history of the NFL.

 

[NashuaPats]

I can accept that the ref had a bad angle and prematurely blew his whistle, but don't lie to me. F the NFL.

 

[ivanvamp]

So basically anytime you hit a qb from the front for a sack and the balls comes out its not a fumble. Please tune in next week when we decide anything the pats do is consider a penalty

Exactly. From Blandino: "“Yeah, that’s a good point. And we treat it … the moment he’s first contacted, as soon as he’s driven back, that’s his point of forward progress,” Blandino said. “And so if he’s pushed back a yard, two yards, three yards, it’s over at that point, and any subsequent loss of the football will not be a fumble.”"

So literally, the instant a QB is hit from the front and pushed backward, the play is automatically over. The QB has no chance to spin out of it, because his forward progress has been stopped and the play is over. Right at that precise moment of contact.

Of course, that's completely stupid and never in the history of the NFL has such a call been made. He hadn't been tackled yet, and it was as he was being brought to the ground that the ball got ripped out. In every possible way that's a fumble.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I'm not butthurt about that play or anything, I get that forward progress is a call they have to make sometimes, and when they do that's the end of play and if the whistle is blown it shouldn't really matter what happens afterward. I get that sometimes that will work against us and sometimes it will benefit us. Even with this specific call, I think it was wrong but defensibly wrong in that I can see why he'd be inclined to blow the whistle while watching that in real time.

With all those qualifiers out of the way, Blandino's explanation is ridiculous. By that standard, just about every time a QB breaks a tackle in the backfield the play should be blown dead and ruled a sack, rather than giving the QB an opportunity to extend it by staying upright. All the QBs who are basically escape artists shouldn't be worth much, since apparently the play is supposed to be blown dead the moment they're pushed backward, with no regard for whether or not they actually go to the ground.

 

[RobertWeathers]

After reading this a couple of times I think I'm giving Blandinko too much credit for the redirect and doubletalk crap. I dont think hes that smart or clever.

I think it simply comes down to his lack of understanding of the rule as is applied to real situations. Hes trying to rationalize it in his mind and confuses himself because he has no practical experience.

Dummy.

 

[sambam94]

9.9 time out of 10 that is called a fumble..FU Blandino

 

[skinnydog]

I have seen a QB declared sacked by an official without actually being sacked 1 or 2 times IIRC. Something like the guy has him wrap up and is about to throw him down or he is wrapped up and being ran backwards.

Those i think i have seen but it is very rare and only after the play has gone on for a clear amount of time like that and you are just trying to avoid the QB taking a hit. This was not suck a case as it was a bang bang play. Horrible call.

They have stopped callin "in the grasp" for a while now.

 

[Danger Zone]

The ref (Mike Carey) has said on the record that he was just about to blow the play dead and then Manning escaped.

Super Bowls get called differently than the regular season.

That said, that year, there had been a point of emphasis that year to protect quarterbacks who were considered "in the grasp". Whistles were getting blown early and roughing the passer penalties were being handed out much more frequently to players that made a finishing move to put the quarterback on the ground.

Patriots got called quit a bit that year for it as I recall. Subjectively felt it about as much as we were getting called for OPIs recently when that was a point of emphasis. I think Patriots that year were no doubt conditioned to let up a bit after it was clear they had a qb in their grasp for more than a second or two as to avoid a drive-extending roughing the passer penalty.

 

[PrairiePat]

Hoculi's call was probably wrong, but that crap happens. In my mind there were 3 worse call during the game. The non- touch on McCourty's pick, there was a brutal hold on Hogan during the fleaflicker play that probably coast them a TD on that play,

If Brady handed the ball off to Blount, doesn't that allow the DBs to contact the receivers? They still can't HOLD them, mind you, just wondering about general contact at that point.

 

[Froob]

I'll have to watch it again because the way i remember it manning threw the ball as he was being pulled down to the turf. I don't remember him escaping.

I do recall seeing four players get strangled by the offensive line. Not so sure that's an escape...

 

[JarOfMayo51]

In 55 years plus of watching football i have never heard of the "qbs forward progress stopped" when a qb was going BACK to pass and then being sacked. I don't have to read the article to know its complete bull sht.

yup, never in my entire life of watching football have I seen someone go and sack the quarterback, only to have the refs call forward progress and blow the play dead before the quarterback even hit the ground..

It was a total ******** call and we can expect to see more of them in the future, especially on the road.. The NFL does not want the Patriots to win the Superbowl with Brady coming off a 4 game suspension for their fabricated scandal

 

[PF_SU]

Next time hold that **** and don't showboat

How did you get the idea that Flowers was showboating?

From what I saw on the replay Flowers had both hands firmly on the ball as he was on the ground with Flacco touching him. Should've been fumble recovery and down by contact, Patriots ball.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Exactly. They think they walk on water and any instance of fault or being in the wrong they spin and deflect it. I can't stand it. Its such a turn off.

You hit it on the head in your other post.. The league has this smug, holier than thou attitude which just churns your stomach... Everything they say, everything they do was 100% correct and they will get up in front of a microphone and ******** the world rather than even admit a tiny, completely normal, human-like error..

People are reasonable and can admit mistakes happen, but what people can't stand is when you have a corrupt league that is incapable of admitting to any fault whatsoever on anything no matter what.. its just a constant political propaganda war with them, they operate with a sense of infallibility and they do it in such a smug, in your face way that its insulting to the human intelligence.

 

[rochrist]

Dean Blandino 'Explains' Ed Hochuli's Ruling That Hurt Patriots

If any of you live in warm weather climates and tend gardens, you can use his 'explanation' as a fresh steaming nutrient-rich pile of fertilizer.

Blandino exists purely to make excuses for bad calls.

 

[patfanken]

If Brady handed the ball off to Blount, doesn't that allow the DBs to contact the receivers? They still can't HOLD them, mind you, just wondering about general contact at that point.

Watch the play and you'll see what I mean - He grabs Hogan only after he realized that there was a pass play going on.

 

[rochrist]

"The non- touch on McCourty's pick"

His middle finger brushed his hand as he was falling. You can see his finger bend backward on the tape when you slow it down. It's slight but it is there.

Yes, but it's not clear McCourty had control of the ball at that point.

 

[RayClay]

Photoshop waiting to happen:

Did you hear the one about the forward progress sack?

 

[RobertWeathers]

You hit it on the head in your other post.. The league has this smug, holier than thou attitude which just churns your stomach... Everything they say, everything they do was 100% correct and they will get up in front of a microphone and ******** the world rather than even admit a tiny, completely normal, human-like error..

People are reasonable and can admit mistakes happen, but what people can't stand is when you have a corrupt league that is incapable of admitting to any fault whatsoever on anything no matter what.. its just a constant political propaganda war with them, they operate with a sense of infallibility and they do it in such a smug, in your face way that its insulting to the human intelligence.

The NFL assumes on the majority of their target demographic either doesn't care, doesn't pay attention or is too stupid to read between the lines.