BJGE - if he walks, how confident are we in Ridley and Vereen at RB?

[Patspsycho]

He wasnt demoted, he was injured.
Regardless we have already been discussing Morris 08 vs BJGE 11, and this appears to be your escape from that comparison.

No we're not discussing Morris vs. BJGE, we're discussing who's had the worst season as a lead back since Dillon, and you argued that BJGE's '11 season was the worst of any lead back, and I just find that hard to believe.

What? A RB with a broken shoulder bone is going to come back in a month? Yeah sure. Just curious, if IR was a way of BB saying Maroney you suck we don't want you here, why was he the started in 2009?

Not in a month, but it doesn't take an entire season to heal from a broken shoulder.

Maroney wasn't the lead back in '09, he only started 5 games. His reps were evenly split with Fred Taylor.

Different injury, different position, same weak argument.

Except that a broken shoulder, as opposed to turf toe, or broken ankle isn't a weight bearing injury.

 

[Patspsycho]

I don't see anyone doing that here.

Yet you called that kind of seasonal results, the worst of any lead back since Dillon. If that's not ripping him, I don't know what is.

 

[Ring 6]

Yet you called that kind of seasonal results, the worst of any lead back since Dillon. If that's not ripping him, I don't know what is.

It is a fact. Which season was the worst?
2007 Maroney
2008 Morris
2009 Maroney
2010 BJGE
2011 BJGE

It isn't really debatable. How is pointing out his play ripping him?

 

[Ring 6]

No we're not discussing Morris vs. BJGE, we're discussing who's had the worst season as a lead back since Dillon, and you argued that BJGE's '11 season was the worst of any lead back, and I just find that hard to believe.

It was worse than
2007 Maroney
2008 Morris
2009 Maroney
2010 BJGE

How is that hard to believe? Which season was worse?

Not in a month, but it doesn't take an entire season to heal from a broken shoulder.

Maroney wasn't the lead back in '09, he only started 5 games. His reps were evenly split with Fred Taylor.

Really?
Maroney had 194 carries.
Taylor had 63.

Why do you keep making stuff up?

Except that a broken shoulder, as opposed to turf toe, or broken ankle isn't a weight bearing injury.

So? Your argument is that he was sent to IR because he stunk, not because he had a season ending injury. What does weight bearing have to do with that? He was deemed out for the season, its a fact.

 

[Ring 6]

Yet you called that kind of seasonal results, the worst of any lead back since Dillon. If that's not ripping him, I don't know what is.

If you consider the truth 'ripping a player' maybe you should reevaluate the player?

 

[supafly]

Doesn't the requirement of spening 90-some% of the cap start in 2013?
I think Brown will be underpaying this year to save up for next year.
If he wants to be at 110 mill or 10 mill under, if he spends 100 mill this year and saves the 10, he can spend 120 next year.

As soon as that report came out that they led the NFL with cap space at 50 million this yr, I thought 'there's no way they even spend 1/2 of that.'

Mike Brown is going to spend about 20-25 of that IMO. As a small market owner who is known for being pretty cheap, he is saving up for being forced to spend to the 89% next yr. He probably figures he can get one last yr of additional revenue/profit in before the cap floor in 2013.

I think we are saying the same thing. If not, that is certainly what I meant.

He's not going to spend as much this yr, b/c he'll be forced to spend more next yr due to the salary cap floor in 2013.

This is his last chance at not being forced to spend, and I assume he'll likely take advantage of it.

 

[Patspsycho]

It is a fact. Which season was the worst?
2007 Maroney
2008 Morris
2009 Maroney
2010 BJGE
2011 BJGE

It isn't really debatable. How is pointing out his play ripping him?

My nomination is Maroney in '08. I've mentioned that many times.

Maroney was the starting back when the season started, not when it ended.

 

[Patspsycho]

If you consider the truth 'ripping a player' maybe you should reevaluate the player?

You just said "I don't see anyone doing that" in response to a statement in which someone said "hard to rip someone who's had 11 TDs and is good in short yardage situations."

 

[Patspsycho]

It was worse than
2007 Maroney
2008 Morris
2009 Maroney
2010 BJGE

How is that hard to believe? Which season was worse?

2007 Maroney:

185 835 4.5 6 TDs

2008 Maroney:

28 93 3.3 0 TDs

2009 Maroney:

194 757 3.9 9 TDs

2010 BJGE:

229 1,008 4.4 13 TDs

2011 BJGE:

181 667 3.7 11 TDs



Looking at the numbers above, using your definition of a LEAD back (as in the starting running back to begin a season) I somehow doubt BJGE's season was the worst.

 

[Ring 6]

2007 Maroney:

28 93 3.3

2008 Morris:

156 727 4.7

2009 Maroney:

194 757 3.9

2010 BJGE:

229 1,008 4.4



Looking at the numbers above, I somehow doubt BJGE's season was the worst.

You left out 2011, which is the basis of the discussion.
So your argument is that our top RB was better in 2011 than 2007 because you want to compare BJGE to a guy who played 3 games and was injured instead of the guy who carried the ball the most, had the most yards, played the most downs and had better numbers?

Clearly BJGEs 16 games in 2011 were more productive than Maroney's 3 games in 2008, however it was clearly worse than the RB who played the most, ie the #1, lead, primary, top or whatever term you want to use, back.
I mean we are talking about what happened on the football field right?

 

[Ring 6]

2007 Maroney:

185 835 4.5 6 TDs

2008 Maroney:

156 727 4.7 7 TDs

2009 Maroney:

194 757 3.9 9 TDs

2010 BJGE:

229 1,008 4.4 13 TDs

2011 BJGE:

181 667 3.7 11 TDs



Looking at the numbers above, I somehow doubt BJGE's season was the worst.

OK now that you have editted all the numbers, please tell me which season was worse than BJGEs 2011?

 

[Ring 6]

2007 Maroney:

185 835 4.5 6 TDs

2008 Maroney:

28 93 3.3 0 TDs

2009 Maroney:

194 757 3.9 9 TDs

2010 BJGE:

229 1,008 4.4 13 TDs

2011 BJGE:

181 667 3.7 11 TDs



Looking at the numbers above, I somehow doubt BJGE's season was the worst.

Now you have changed it again to eliminate Morris?

 

[Ring 6]

You just said "I don't see anyone doing that" in response to a statement in which someone said "hard to rip someone who's had 11 TDs and is good in short yardage situations."

How am I ripping him?
Did Maroney have a better season in 2007 than BJGE in 2011?
Did Norris have a better season in 2008 that BJGE in 2011?
Did Maroney have a better season in 2009 than BJGE in 2011?
Did BJGE have a better season in 2010 thanhe did in 2011?

How is admitting to that ripping the player?

 

[Patspsycho]

Now you have changed it again to eliminate Morris?

Relax.. be patient.. Like someone said, you're wrapped around the axle too tight.

I put the numbers in and saved my post so I wouldn't lose them; I wasn't finished.

 

[Ring 6]

My nomination is Maroney in '08. I've mentioned that many times.

Maroney was the starting back when the season started, not when it ended.

Morris was the primary RB and you know very well that is what I have said all along.

So, I agree the injured guy who played 3 games had a worse year.

But his backup played the bulk of the season and was the teams primary RB and had a better season than BJGE did on 2011. Agreed?

 

[Patspsycho]

Now you have changed it again to eliminate Morris?

Yes, when I found out that Morris didn't start the season, I changed it. Maroney, in fact, started in each of the three games he played in, so it is a mistake to call Morris a lead back when he didn't even start the season.

 

[Ring 6]

Relax.. be patient.. Like someone said, you're wrapped around the axle too tight.

I put the numbers in and saved my post so I wouldn't lose them; I wasn't finished.

OK, I am fully relaxed, just pointing out that if you change your post after I have responded it makes the response messed up.

 

[Patspsycho]

Morris was the primary RB and you know very well that is what I have said all along.

So, I agree the injured guy who played 3 games had a worse year.

But his backup played the bulk of the season and was the teams primary RB and had a better season than BJGE did on 2011. Agreed?

Ok now we're no longer talking about lead backs?

Morris had a better season in terms of total yards and YPC, but he didn't have a turf toe.

BJGE had better security, and more TDs.

 

[Ring 6]

Yes, when I found out that Morris didn't start the season, I changed it. Maroney, in fact, started in each of the three games he played in, so it is a mistake to call Morris a lead back when he didn't even start the season.

You know very well that I have been talking all along about the RB who played the most.
You have tried a number of different things to avoid answering the real question. Now you are telling me we had a better season from our primary RB in 2011 than 2008 because you want to pretend the season was 3 games and we didn't have a RB after that.

 

[Ring 6]

Ok now we're no longer talking about lead backs?

Morris had a better season in terms of total yards and YPC, but he didn't have a turf toe.

BJGE had better security, and more TDs.

We ARE talking about lead backs, but you are pretending to define it differently when I made the statement to begin with. I think it is safe to say that I am the best judge of the definition of the word in my post.

STILL you don't answer.
The question isn't about who had injuries, we are talking solely about thier play on the field not excuses you can make to why you think it should have been better.

Morris fumbled 1 times, averaged a yard more per carry, and had 4 fewer TDs, with Matt Cassell at QB, and by having 15 carries inside the 10 vs 27 by BJGE, so that is a function of opportunity not quality of play.

So, while you continue to avoid answering we are close.

Factoring in 1 more fumble and 7 Td with 15 rushes inside the 10 vs 0 fumbles with 11 Tds in 27 rushed inside the 10, vs a full yard more per carry, with more yards in fewer rushes, then net result is, who had a better season?