BJGE - if he walks, how confident are we in Ridley and Vereen at RB?

[Ring 6]

Oh and by the way, to your argument that Morris doesn't count because he didnt start the year as #1, he had the same number of carries in week 1 and 2 as Maroney and 1 less in week 3.

 

[Leemo]

1. I think BJGE goes to the bengals.

2. I think we have some great young RB's but i wouldnt be against another RB coming in at the right price, Tolbert, Benson, Bush, Jacobs, Grant. But with that said if its gonna cost too much id rather the money was put towards securing Brandon Lloyd

 

[Ring 6]

1. I think BJGE goes to the bengals.

2. I think we have some great young RB's but i wouldnt be against another RB coming in at the right price, Tolbert, Benson, Bush, Jacobs, Grant. But with that said if its gonna cost too much id rather the money was put towards securing Brandon Lloyd

I agree we need a vet as an insuance policy to Ridley/Vereen (but I eavily qualify this with the fact that the coaching staff knows 1000x more about these guys readiness for 2012 than we do having seen 1000x more of them in camp, games, meetings, conversations, lockerromm flights, etc, etc ). I'm OK if its BJGE, I'm OK if its one of those guys, but it certainly needs to be someone cheap. If we need that guy for more than a year something went very wrong.

 

[Avenger]

I agree we need a vet as an insuance policy to Ridley/Vereen (but I eavily qualify this with the fact that the coaching staff knows 1000x more about these guys readiness for 2012 than we do having seen 1000x more of them in camp, games, meetings, conversations, lockerromm flights, etc, etc ). I'm OK if its BJGE, I'm OK if its one of those guys, but it certainly needs to be someone cheap. If we need that guy for more than a year something went very wrong.

How about Herschel Walker?

 

[Ring 6]

How about Herschel Walker?

I bet he wouldn't be terrible for about one drive.
He may be in better shape than any man in America his age.

 

[Patspsycho]

We ARE talking about lead backs, but you are pretending to define it differently when I made the statement to begin with. I think it is safe to say that I am the best judge of the definition of the word in my post.

STILL you don't answer.
The question isn't about who had injuries, we are talking solely about thier play on the field not excuses you can make to why you think it should have been better.

Morris fumbled 1 times, averaged a yard more per carry, and had 4 fewer TDs, with Matt Cassell at QB, and by having 15 carries inside the 10 vs 27 by BJGE, so that is a function of opportunity not quality of play.

So, while you continue to avoid answering we are close.

Factoring in 1 more fumble and 7 Td with 15 rushes inside the 10 vs 0 fumbles with 11 Tds in 27 rushed inside the 10, vs a full yard more per carry, with more yards in fewer rushes, then net result is, who had a better season?

The first thing that comes to my mind when thinking of the term, "lead back," is that of a starting running back. Now you want to alter that definition to mean the back who gets the most reps so that you can tailor it to the narrow parameters of the debate you've set up so that only you can win it.

BJGE in 2011 did not have an ideal season, but it certainly wasn't the worst- he did put in a great game against the Jets before he suffered the turf toe injury, and still contributed 11 TDs which is more than any other running back since Dillon. He also played through a turf toe.

You don't want to count Maroney in '08 because he was injured, yet you want to count BJGE in '11 even though he too, was injured.

It's pretty obvious that if you want to pick the running back that had the worst season since Dillon, it's Maroney who started only three games in '08, averaging 3.3 YPC and 0 TDs, and then blowing out his shoulder and going on IR. That, to me, is a disastrous season.

 

[Patspsycho]

Oh and by the way, to your argument that Morris doesn't count because he didnt start the year as #1, he had the same number of carries in week 1 and 2 as Maroney and 1 less in week 3.

If you are talking about '08, then Maroney started all three of those games.

 

[Ring 6]

The first thing that comes to my mind when thinking of the term, "lead back," is that of a starting running back. Now you want to alter that definition to mean the back who gets the most reps so that you can tailor it to the narrow parameters of the debate you've set up so that only you can win it.

But it is my comment you are arguing about. Surely I know the definition of the term I was using right?
You know I didn't mean that Maroney was the lead back in 2008 when I made that statement.

BJGE in 2011 did not have an ideal season, but it certainly wasn't the worst- he did put in a great game against the Jets before he suffered the turf toe injury, and still contributed 11 TDs which is more than any other running back since Dillon. He also played through a turf toe.

Worst just means less than the other ones. I agree it wasn't miles worse, but it was the worst of the 5.

You don't want to count Maroney in '08 because he was injured, yet you want to count BJGE in '11 even though he too, was injured.

No, I'm not including Maroney because when I made the statement he wasn't who I was talking about as the lead RB. You have to see how obvious that is.

It's pretty obvious that if you want to pick the running back that had the worst season since Dillon, it's Maroney who started only three games in '08, averaging 3.3 YPC and 0 TDs, and then blowing out his shoulder and going on IR. That, to me, is a disastrous season.

I agree with that, but Maroney wasn't the lead RB that my comment was based upon.
And I think its pretty obvious that the point at the heart of this was how well our top RB did on the field, not how well the guy who might have been on the field did.

I suppose we should just move on, because I have made myself abundantly clear and the answer isn't really debatable. I am finding no joy in watching create ways to just not answer the question that you are uncomfortable answering.

I further suggest that you and I refrain from any BJGE discussion becuase its pretty much the only topic we have contentious conversations on.

 

[Ring 6]

If you are talking about '08, then Maroney started all three of those games.

But all you have to do is look at the number of starts over the years for Patriot RBs and realize it is irrelevant to their ranking on the depth chart, because starts are just based on what package we ran on the first play.

 

[Patspsycho]

I further suggest that you and I refrain from any BJGE discussion becuase its pretty much the only topic we have contentious conversations on.

That's probably the wise thing to do because there's nothing you can do to persuade me that BJGE is not an asset to this team.

 

[Ring 6]

That's probably the wise thing to do because there's nothing you can do to persuade me that BJGE is not an asset to this team.

Just understand that is not what I was saying.

 

[Dutchmaster617]

How do you guys feel about Ridley/Vereen if BJGE walks ? Do you feel confident they can do the job ? I kind of do, but there is a big IF there, IF Vereen can stay healthy. Ridley reminds me of a young Corey Dillon (not as shifty as Dillon was as a youngster), I think he can take the pounding of 200+ carries, and if Vereen can stay healthy, 100+ carries for him.

What do you ladies and gents think ?

300+ carries when we picked up Josh McD and 4 WRs? Not going to happen. We are passing heavily until Brady retires or gets injured.

 

[letekro]

Rarely? He's *never* fumbled in the nfl.

I'll take 3-4 fumbles over the course of the year in exchange for the threat of an occasional 20 yard run.

 

[Reckedtrek]

He's reliable, hasn't fumbled IN THE NFL... is a good locker room/character guy, he never seems to ***** and he gives 100% every time. Is he the greatest ever? No. But I'd prefer he'd be on the team this coming season. If he's not, I think I'll still tune in to see what happens.

 

[Patspsycho]

I'll take 3-4 fumbles over the course of the year in exchange for the threat of an occasional 20 yard run.

Not in the playoffs; you won't.

 

[Why?PJ]

I doubt he'll be back. He's proven he can be a starter in the NFL, someone else will give him more than the Pats are willing to. The Pats will never utilize a rb as much as they should, even though it really hurts them.

The way the use rb's is designed to make sure none of them break out. BJGE wants to prove he is a good back, so he'll find somewhere else to play.