Bill Belichick appreciation thread

[Actual Pats Fan]

You're a reasonable poster, I'm not going to repeat what I've written earlier in this thread but yes BB is the best and I've said as such. He's the GOAT coach and also the best GM of the past 20 years. This has included spectacular draft periods and also 2 specific terribly bad draft periods with McIdiot here. But it seems to be fixed now wresting war room control over to Wolf, Groh, and Patricia now. The last draft was awesome.

Part of why I care to criticize the staff around BB is I want BB to win another ring; BB retiring is my worst nightmare as a Pats fan especially considering who his replacement might be.

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There is a major question in my mind, whether the Parcells/Belichick coaching culture/approach will be gone when Bill retires.

It's been here with Belichick for so long now, people take it for granted.

Neither of the Bills is a perfect strategist. But it is simply unique in the sport. A team-wide attitude which emphasizes what each individual can control without overreaching. Discipline and focus. Not being distracted or deterred by failures which discourage any other team. Don't get me wrong, Brady brought a strong attitude, experience in college and character, but he bought into the system, he didn't create it. Parcells has to get the credit for that. Took me years to understand and appreciate it.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

There is a major question in my mind, whether the Parcells/Belichick coaching culture/approach will be gone when Bill retires.

It's been here with Belichick for so long now, people take it for granted.

Neither of the Bills is a perfect strategist. But it is simply unique in the sport. A team-wide attitude which emphasizes what each individual can control without overreaching. Discipline and focus. Not being distracted or deterred by failures which discourage any other team. Don't get me wrong, Brady brought a strong attitude, experience in college and character, but he bought into the system, he didn't create it. Parcells has to get the credit for that. Took me years to understand and appreciate it.

Parcells built the foundation. Those first couple rings used a lot of core guys that Parcells brought in. If BB retires I see this going downhill real fast. How long did it take the 2007 Denver Broncos to become a laughingstock, 1.5 seasons?

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Parcells built the foundation. Those first couple rings used a lot of core guys that Parcells brought in. If BB retires I see this going downhill real fast. How long did it take the 2007 Denver Broncos to become a laughingstock, 1.5 seasons?

Dude!! We're not the Donkeys. Never have been. We're the Pats.

But you need a good coach. In '90 all we needed was someone who believed in Flutie. Oh and of course Doug, too.

When Bill retires there will be a lot of players left who played under him.

I don't know who the best successor would be. But I will want a bright, determined guy. Belichick has the best personality of any head coach I ever saw, and I've seen a half a century of them.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

How long did it take the 2007 Denver Broncos to become a laughingstock, 1.5 seasons?

No, just since this

 

[n1997y]

There is a major question in my mind, whether the Parcells/Belichick coaching culture/approach will be gone when Bill retires.

It's been here with Belichick for so long now, people take it for granted.

Neither of the Bills is a perfect strategist. But it is simply unique in the sport. A team-wide attitude which emphasizes what each individual can control without overreaching. Discipline and focus. Not being distracted or deterred by failures which discourage any other team. Don't get me wrong, Brady brought a strong attitude, experience in college and character, but he bought into the system, he didn't create it. Parcells has to get the credit for that. Took me years to understand and appreciate it.

I think it will survive BB’s departure, because it starts above him. Give RKK credit, and some to Myra. And they seem to have instilled Jonathan with good values. Whoever succeeds Bill will have a similar value system, because thats what the owner wants.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Give RKK credit

For paying the bills.

He inherited Parcells, before driving him out of town.

There was no winning culture under Carroll.

And comparing Bledsoe to Williams, Russell, Orr...

I'm not interested in ragging on Kraft. Like any owner, he has nothing to do with locker room culture or coaching priorities.

 

[n1997y]

For paying the bills.

He inherited Parcells, before driving him out of town.

There was no winning culture under Carroll.

And comparing Bledsoe to Williams, Russell, Orr...

I'm not interested in ragging on Kraft. Like any owner, he has nothing to do with locker room culture or coaching priorities.

I have to disagree that the owner has nothing to do with coaching priorities Or locker room culture.

Kraft got rid of Parcells, who showed his true colors in how he handled balancing his job coaching the Patriots and his search for the next landing place. After that selfish failure I consider running him out of town to be a good move. He played a valuable role laying the foundation, and showed himself to not be the long term solution. And he never was, anywhere.

And Kraft spent a first round pick to land his guy, Bill Belichick, the GOAT NFL head coach. Bill’s track record shows he was the long term solution. And he sets the locker room culture, and I’m sure if it were toxic that would be part of his job performance review with RKK, because that would reflect in results.

Watch this video, see who greets every player as they enter the locker room, and how he greets them. That shows how much RKK is part of the locker room culture. He is certainly not isolated from it.
Inside the Patriots Locker Room after the Win over the Bills

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

BB the ultimate troll

BB even hinted at what he was going to do in the pregame presser and buffaho still couldn't stop them. 10 in the box and still got ran over!

 

[ashley]

BB the ultimate troll

BB even hinted at what he was going to do in the pregame presser and buffaho still couldn't stop them. 10 in the box and still got ran over!

Ha, BB playing chess again while Mcdermot is learning checkers.

 

[yukon cornelius]

Bill is better than Parcells, by a long shot

Bill, like Lombardi before him, very much understands that a player often needs a pat on the back when he expects a kick in the ass, and often needs a kick in the ass when he expects a pat........Bill knows how to temper the high expectations and the constant grind with a little praise now and then.......

Parcells was mostly negative, mostly coached through fear.......the game passed him by rather quickly, if you looked at his career, and awful lot of players tuned him out after a few years, he tended to wear out his welcome......he wasn't the master psychologist that BB and Lombardi tended to be........Parcells was a great judge of talent, but he didn't have the player skills and coaching chops that Bill has

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

I have to disagree that the owner has nothing to do with coaching priorities Or locker room culture.

Kraft got rid of Parcells, who showed his true colors in how he handled balancing his job coaching the Patriots and his search for the next landing place. After that selfish failure I consider running him out of town to be a good move. He played a valuable role laying the foundation, and showed himself to not be the long term solution. And he never was, anywhere.

And Kraft spent a first round pick to land his guy, Bill Belichick, the GOAT NFL head coach. Bill’s track record shows he was the long term solution. And he sets the locker room culture, and I’m sure if it were toxic that would be part of his job performance review with RKK, because that would reflect in results.

Watch this video, see who greets every player as they enter the locker room, and how he greets them. That shows how much RKK is part of the locker room culture. He is certainly not isolated from it.
Inside the Patriots Locker Room after the Win over the Bills

Gotta give it up for Robert doing what it took to land BB. He was strongly advised not to. RKK deserves that 33% of the Dynasty Big Three.

I guess now that Tom's gone it's just the Big Two.

 

[sb1]

Gotta give it up for Robert doing what it took to land BB. He was strongly advised not to. RKK deserves that 33% of the Dynasty Big Three.

I guess now that Tom's gone it's just the Big Two.

"Duplicitous pond scum"

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

"Duplicitous pond scum"

I really liked Bill before he ever came here.

He didn't kiss up to Kosar and the fans.

Even though he was obviously past it, putting Bledsoe back in there was the safe, conventional thing to do. Bill wasn't interested in playing it safe.

 

[Patsfan1958]

 

[jimnance]

Bill is better than Parcells, by a long shot

Bill, like Lombardi before him, very much understands that a player often needs a pat on the back when he expects a kick in the ass, and often needs a kick in the ass when he expects a pat........Bill knows how to temper the high expectations and the constant grind with a little praise now and then.......

Parcells was mostly negative, mostly coached through fear.......the game passed him by rather quickly, if you looked at his career, and awful lot of players tuned him out after a few years, he tended to wear out his welcome......he wasn't the master psychologist that BB and Lombardi tended to be........Parcells was a great judge of talent, but he didn't have the player skills and coaching chops that Bill has

Parcells was a good not great coach. Not even in same ballpark as BB.
Parcels was never even the best hc while he was coaching.
Walsh was a better hc than Parcells.
Jimmy Johnson was a MUCH better hc than Parcells. Parcells was overrated.
BB is the undisputed GOAT. Nobody has ever put Parcells even close to that.

 

[n1997y]

Parcells was a good not great coach. Not even in same ballpark as BB.
Parcels was never even the best hc while he was coaching.
Walsh was a better hc than Parcells.
Jimmy Johnson was a MUCH better hc than Parcells. Parcells was overrated.
BB is the undisputed GOAT. Nobody has ever put Parcells even close to that.

Parcells got more attention and discussion than the other guys you rightly name. That was because he made it about himself. He played the media well. It was his activities that captured attention.

Belichick gets attention and discussion a different way. He doesn’t court or pander to the media. He gets attention and respect for his accomplishments.

it also seems to me that Belichick gets the greatest respect from his peers and those who know him best. Not sure that was true for Parcells.

 

[Bruins29]

How come certain posters have disappeared from here? They were all over the place back in the beginning of the year.

 

[Joker]

How come certain posters have disappeared from here? They were all over the place back in the beginning of the year.

you know why....

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Parcells was a good not great coach. Not even in same ballpark as BB.
Parcels was never even the best hc while he was coaching.
Walsh was a better hc than Parcells.
Jimmy Johnson was a MUCH better hc than Parcells. Parcells was overrated.
BB is the undisputed GOAT. Nobody has ever put Parcells even close to that.

Parcells got more attention and discussion than the other guys you rightly name. That was because he made it about himself. He played the media well. It was his activities that captured attention.

Belichick gets attention and discussion a different way. He doesn’t court or pander to the media. He gets attention and respect for his accomplishments.

it also seems to me that Belichick gets the greatest respect from his peers and those who know him best. Not sure that was true for Parcells.

As I said, it took me years to understand and appreciate his work, and innovative (and unique) approach to coaching.

I was initially biased against him because I always despised the Giants (the real 'laughingstock' prior to Parcells).

Then, his haughty, obnoxious behavior here didn't help, either (I believe his mood soured as soon as Orthwein destroyed our identity. JMO)


So, it was easy to dislike him, and root for the 49ers for example over the Giants.

And his personality fit NY very well.


Now, local media is all ga-ga over Parcells bleating that getting him set the foundation for our future success. Okay.

Most importantly, from a strictly football and strategy perspective, examining the results reveals the truth. Coaching absolutely matters.


The circus surrounding his unpleasant departure makes it easy to hate him. If he, or Perkins, or Belichick, or somebody, had had the wisdom to get them to run Curtis 30 times and protect the kid Bledsoe, and the Patriots had won, it would have been bittersweet.

Let me just point out here, that anti-Patriots hysteria would have immediately denigrated our win, just as had Dreith not committed the atrocity in 1976 they would have come up with an endless supply of ridiculous excuses and of course Davis and the Fraiders would have continued to lose their minds over nothing.


It's easy to dislike Bill. Call him disloyal. Rude. Selfish. Unclassy. Annoying.


I'm grateful to have learned enough to see through the surface, and his cynical treatment of the media here just makes total sense to me today, not to mention being shared in his own way by his protégé.

 

[Chevy]

I have to disagree that the owner has nothing to do with coaching priorities Or locker room culture.

Kraft got rid of Parcells, who showed his true colors in how he handled balancing his job coaching the Patriots and his search for the next landing place. After that selfish failure I consider running him out of town to be a good move. He played a valuable role laying the foundation, and showed himself to not be the long term solution. And he never was, anywhere.

And Kraft spent a first round pick to land his guy, Bill Belichick, the GOAT NFL head coach. Bill’s track record shows he was the long term solution. And he sets the locker room culture, and I’m sure if it were toxic that would be part of his job performance review with RKK, because that would reflect in results.

Watch this video, see who greets every player as they enter the locker room, and how he greets them. That shows how much RKK is part of the locker room culture. He is certainly not isolated from it.
Inside the Patriots Locker Room after the Win over the Bills

And unlike most owners, he evaluated his decision making process and control issues, and changed. Out with Grier and Carroll, in with BB and "here are the reins". BB spent a season cleaning house and hard-core evaluating what he had, picked up a bunch of reliable former players, and then captured lightning in a bottle. Doesn't happen if RKK stays stubborn and brings in a more pliable coach/GM tandem.