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DRAFT BGC 2021 Pre-Draft/Patriot-Type Prospect(s) thread

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Reminder that Oweh's upside is in his run defense. Needs a lot of polish but can work play-back side runs. + closing speed, strength and range. Can stack and shed, inconsistent keeping outside shoulder clean. Lots of potential there.

Twitched up rusher that takes a tight corner, efficient path to the QB. Can bend and get flat, + flexibility. Will swipe, speed to power. Raw but lots of upside.

 
Newsome thoughts ...










I think Northwestern has two first round picks. Newsome is clean all over. Feet and hips work in concert. Hips just pop open allowing to stay tight, trail or w/e. + COD

Tough to fool him on double moves. Tough to get physical with him he'll give it right back. I've noticed him use his body to steer a WR or he'll lock up if a WR tries to bully him.

Eyes are on the WR until he finds that tell then he'll turn and try to locate. He'll peek at the QB but he plays his man.

He's an efficient player. Everything is natural or smooth nothing forced. I've seen different opinions on his speed or quicks but i see no problems. Everything is smooth - backpedal & turn are fluid & balanced. + half turn/bail.

+ closing speed. Click & close.

They had him playing everything. Press, off, zone. He played like he had a good understanding of what was coming off those or how to take advantage. + recognition

Inconsistent run support and tackling but you can live with it. He improves slightly he'll be above average.

Can't see him making it out of the first-top 40.
 
Pats have now met with 5 prospects twice. Felton, D Hayes, Yeboah, Thomas Graham & Amari Rodgers. All Senior Bowl prospects.

 
ok.. now reel the Q-man in..


That Moore kid reminds me of a combo between Mason & Rodney Hudson (one of the more underrated and better players over his time). Bulldozers that just fire off the ball.

There are like 4-5 ready-made prospects imo. I wonder if we grab one in the third-fourth? Andrews was good enough but if we had a true all-around + player there I can't help but think the effects would be felt throughout the line. It's a great class so we might get a great deal early mid rounds?
 
This is pretty much the only guy I'm following rn. Last part of the process. He does great work and is a just follow imo. Great guy as well. Very smart, nice and friendly.


 
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So much good stuff in here. Absolutely a must read, lots of good info!



Lawrence
“The surprise with him is his running ability and his toughness. I just don’t think people realize just how athletic he is. He is very good as a thrower. I don’t think his arm is out of this world. It’s not a Josh Allen or (Patrick) Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers, but it’s very, very good.”

“He’s about as good a quarterback prospect I’ve seen in college in years. He’s tall, mobile, smart, accurate. I love how the ball comes out of his hand. Teammates seem to really like him, and he’s played a lot of games and in a lot of big games.”

“I worried a little about him living up to all the hype that was heaped on him so early. He was great against Alabama as a freshman. He wasn’t impressive against LSU the next year. He was just a little off that night, especially after (Joe) Burrow and LSU’s offense got cranked up. You expected him to match that and he didn’t. But his receivers weren’t on the level of what Burrow had there. You still really like what you see from him on film and also how he carries himself. The spotlight has been on him for a long time for a college kid, and I think that is a good sign because he’s gonna have to carry that franchise.”


Lance
“On film, you don’t realize how big he is because he is so athletic. He was much bigger than we thought he was. That size, athleticism and arm are so rare at this level. He broke some runs on us where he’d break tackles, push the pile. One play, we had one of the best athletes we had come free on a blitz, and he makes him miss and throws a perfect ball on a dig to pick up the first down.

“I think the one thing people can question is how well is he as a true pocket QB? When they played that game (vs. Central Arkansas) in 2020, he struggled some, and you wanted him trying to impress people. Was he pressing? Are they running a different system for this game?”

“This kid is whole other-level special. He has all the physical tools. Nothing phases him, and I think he’s a fierce competitor. He finds ways to make plays. He’s a big, strong kid who is hard to tackle and can make you miss in space. He’s extremely well-coached. You never saw just bad throws; most of them were where his guys are getting it right in stride.

“We’d go into it thinking what else can we do after other stuff we did didn’t work? We thought we’d trick him, and then he’d figure it out and throw a strike for a 12-yard catch on third down.”

DeVonta Smith, WR, Alabama​

For as great as Bill Belichick is as a coach, he and New England have been dreadful drafting receivers, and this is a huge area of need. Fortunately for him — we think — an excellent one is going to fall into his lap, and it’s a guy Belichick’s old pal Saban knows better than anyone.

Smith, the 2020 Heisman Trophy winner, capped a fantastic college career that included a lot of clutch moments for the Tide dating back to his winning touchdown catch in the national title win over Georgia. Smith’s numbers for 2020: 117 catches, 1,856 yards and 23 TDs. He had 17 catches of 30 yards or longer, almost double what the next-best WR had in the SEC. Smith might look really, really skinny at about 180 pounds on his wiry frame, but he is a willing blocker, can break tackles and is very good in traffic.

The Coaching Intel

“He doesn’t drop a ball ever. The most impressive thing, though, is after each series, he’d come off to the sideline and tell their coaches, ‘They did this and this and this.’ He really knows coverages and what defenses are trying to do. Our guys came back to the sideline and said he’s calling out what we’re playing and telling their sideline what our coverages are and how we’re playing our man coverage. God almighty, that’s different.”

“I told people last year that (Smith) is better than both those cats (Jerry Jeudy and Henry Ruggs) that got drafted (in the) first round last year. How in the world didn’t he have more recognition a year ago? He might not be, physically, looking at him, but playing-wise, it’s not even close. He’s quick. He’s faster than everybody thinks he is. I don’t know how big his hands are, but I’d bet they’re 10 inches or bigger. He’s just so natural. He’s been durable and tough and competitive.”

“The thing people couldn’t wrap their heads around is that he’s so skinny. He’s so fundamentally sound from a technique standpoint. He can run all day long and he has the best ball skills and body control of any of that group (of Alabama receivers).

“He’s probably a high 4.4 (40) guy, but he’s really deceptively fast because he has this great long stride. He can close the (DB’s) cushion so fast, and he plays at that speed all the time. He creates so much separation. He’s also always been the best blocker (among wideouts) and the most physical.”
 


Also, reminder that Lance has been working with QB coach Q Avery for a while now.


 
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That Moore kid reminds me of a combo between Mason & Rodney Hudson (one of the more underrated and better players over his time). Bulldozers that just fire off the ball.

There are like 4-5 ready-made prospects imo. I wonder if we grab one in the third-fourth? Andrews was good enough but if we had a true all-around + player there I can't help but think the effects would be felt throughout the line. It's a great class so we might get a great deal early mid rounds?
Meinerz oder Humphrey would be my favourite. Stronger than Andrews to take on NT should help the run game. I like DA but not for more than 6/7 Million. If we can Grab a vet low Tier c and a rookie i think we could be good. Meinerz in the third and we have a nasty o line
 
So much good stuff in here. Absolutely a must read, lots of good info!



Lawrence
“The surprise with him is his running ability and his toughness. I just don’t think people realize just how athletic he is. He is very good as a thrower. I don’t think his arm is out of this world. It’s not a Josh Allen or (Patrick) Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers, but it’s very, very good.”

“He’s about as good a quarterback prospect I’ve seen in college in years. He’s tall, mobile, smart, accurate. I love how the ball comes out of his hand. Teammates seem to really like him, and he’s played a lot of games and in a lot of big games.”

“I worried a little about him living up to all the hype that was heaped on him so early. He was great against Alabama as a freshman. He wasn’t impressive against LSU the next year. He was just a little off that night, especially after (Joe) Burrow and LSU’s offense got cranked up. You expected him to match that and he didn’t. But his receivers weren’t on the level of what Burrow had there. You still really like what you see from him on film and also how he carries himself. The spotlight has been on him for a long time for a college kid, and I think that is a good sign because he’s gonna have to carry that franchise.”


Lance
“On film, you don’t realize how big he is because he is so athletic. He was much bigger than we thought he was. That size, athleticism and arm are so rare at this level. He broke some runs on us where he’d break tackles, push the pile. One play, we had one of the best athletes we had come free on a blitz, and he makes him miss and throws a perfect ball on a dig to pick up the first down.

“I think the one thing people can question is how well is he as a true pocket QB? When they played that game (vs. Central Arkansas) in 2020, he struggled some, and you wanted him trying to impress people. Was he pressing? Are they running a different system for this game?”

“This kid is whole other-level special. He has all the physical tools. Nothing phases him, and I think he’s a fierce competitor. He finds ways to make plays. He’s a big, strong kid who is hard to tackle and can make you miss in space. He’s extremely well-coached. You never saw just bad throws; most of them were where his guys are getting it right in stride.

“We’d go into it thinking what else can we do after other stuff we did didn’t work? We thought we’d trick him, and then he’d figure it out and throw a strike for a 12-yard catch on third down.”

DeVonta Smith, WR, Alabama​

For as great as Bill Belichick is as a coach, he and New England have been dreadful drafting receivers, and this is a huge area of need. Fortunately for him — we think — an excellent one is going to fall into his lap, and it’s a guy Belichick’s old pal Saban knows better than anyone.

Smith, the 2020 Heisman Trophy winner, capped a fantastic college career that included a lot of clutch moments for the Tide dating back to his winning touchdown catch in the national title win over Georgia. Smith’s numbers for 2020: 117 catches, 1,856 yards and 23 TDs. He had 17 catches of 30 yards or longer, almost double what the next-best WR had in the SEC. Smith might look really, really skinny at about 180 pounds on his wiry frame, but he is a willing blocker, can break tackles and is very good in traffic.

The Coaching Intel

“He doesn’t drop a ball ever. The most impressive thing, though, is after each series, he’d come off to the sideline and tell their coaches, ‘They did this and this and this.’ He really knows coverages and what defenses are trying to do. Our guys came back to the sideline and said he’s calling out what we’re playing and telling their sideline what our coverages are and how we’re playing our man coverage. God almighty, that’s different.”

“I told people last year that (Smith) is better than both those cats (Jerry Jeudy and Henry Ruggs) that got drafted (in the) first round last year. How in the world didn’t he have more recognition a year ago? He might not be, physically, looking at him, but playing-wise, it’s not even close. He’s quick. He’s faster than everybody thinks he is. I don’t know how big his hands are, but I’d bet they’re 10 inches or bigger. He’s just so natural. He’s been durable and tough and competitive.”

“The thing people couldn’t wrap their heads around is that he’s so skinny. He’s so fundamentally sound from a technique standpoint. He can run all day long and he has the best ball skills and body control of any of that group (of Alabama receivers).

“He’s probably a high 4.4 (40) guy, but he’s really deceptively fast because he has this great long stride. He can close the (DB’s) cushion so fast, and he plays at that speed all the time. He creates so much separation. He’s also always been the best blocker (among wideouts) and the most physical.”

Draft his Ass or trade up for a qb is my favourite scenario.
 
Meinerz oder Humphrey would be my favourite. Stronger than Andrews to take on NT should help the run game. I like DA but not for more than 6/7 Million. If we can Grab a vet low Tier c and a rookie i think we could be good. Meinerz in the third and we have a nasty o line
I think Meinerz might go 2nd? Impressive tape, impressive testing #'s. Looks like he'll be a fan favorite. If you need a C with G versatility he might get the nod over others bc of health and again his versatility to play across the line. It's a great class im excited to see where they land. I love the BYU guys at G too.
Draft his Ass or trade up for a qb is my favourite scenario.
If any of Smith, Waddle or Chase are there I have np taking them considering how big our need is there. I know the class is deep but those three, plus Bateman, E Moore and maybe 1-2 others there's a drop off. One of those three instantly makes us better.

One of the better scenarios I've seen is trading back a few spots and getting Bateman or one of the Moore's. Hopefully get another 2nd and a quality target that can make an impact this year.
 
That Moore kid reminds me of a combo between Mason & Rodney Hudson (one of the more underrated and better players over his time). Bulldozers that just fire off the ball.

There are like 4-5 ready-made prospects imo. I wonder if we grab one in the third-fourth? Andrews was good enough but if we had a true all-around + player there I can't help but think the effects would be felt throughout the line. It's a great class so we might get a great deal early mid rounds?

I was thinking similar thing for couple of yrs - and esp from the Ragnow opt - but observing C play i NFL more closely and Andrews case in particular i now believe intangibles are more important at C than physical dominance.

(Look how many top C prospects over last yrs busted in NFL - and are now available for peanuts - while Andrews is #2 C in FA for the same people who go by measurements & stats)

Thats why its so great to see Pats coaches (one of only 4 teams) visiting Q in person - again.

In any case they don't have to get nervous about Andrews with several vg C prospects available this Draft
 
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I think Meinerz might go 2nd? Impressive tape, impressive testing #'s. Looks like he'll be a fan favorite. If you need a C with G versatility he might get the nod over others bc of health and again his versatility to play across the line. It's a great class im excited to see where they land. I love the BYU guys at G too.
Did the LG from BYU announce for the Draft? I did not follow their declarations for the draft. Interesting where those prospects will land, it's really tough to figure out. I think Humphrey has no real versality so good point Meinerz could sneak in front of them bc of flexibility. How much technique works need Meinerz and what about line calls and recognition? Idk how good he is at that stuff
If any of Smith, Waddle or Chase are there I have np taking them considering how big our need is there. I know the class is deep but those three, plus Bateman, E Moore and maybe 1-2 others there's a drop off. One of those three instantly makes us better.
Yep I would take those 3 in a heartbeat. For a No.1 WR we would get you could resign Guy and a NT like Tomlinson and solve two needs.
One of the better scenarios I've seen is trading back a few spots and getting Bateman or one of the Moore's. Hopefully get another 2nd and a quality target that can make an impact this year.
I am not that thrilled about the Moore's in rd. 1 before 25 or sth. I think that might be a reach even though they could easy end up late first rd. In a trade down i prefer Collins if he's there or Oweh but he could be a riser. An additional second rd. pick would be great tough.
 
@BaconGrundleCandy , glad to see you read The Athletic. I don't have much time to spend on the draft but love it.

This morning's Athletic article on the top 30 defensive prospects, based on NFL scouts' opinions, left me with the sense that there isn't a single DL that has a good shot at being a star, or even a solid starter. Not a single one. Your thoughts, in the context of the Pats' apparent needs?

 
Since IOL and IDL are big needs..



Reid's 2021 NFL Draft Top 10 IOL Rankings — March | The Draft Network here with explanation

These align with The Athletic article then. The top tier DL have bottom 2nd, top 3rd round ratings. That's the best ones. That strikes me as a remarkably poor year for the DL harvest. Am I wrong?

Maybe the DL is all about FA this year?
 
@BaconGrundleCandy , glad to see you read The Athletic. I don't have much time to spend on the draft but love it.

This morning's Athletic article on the top 30 defensive prospects, based on NFL scouts' opinions, left me with the sense that there isn't a single DL that has a good shot at being a star, or even a solid starter. Not a single one. Your thoughts, in the context of the Pats' apparent needs?

This sounds really interesting, unfortunately i don't have access to the athletic
 
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