Bengals All-Pro DE Trey Hendrickson granted permission to request trade

[WhatJustHappened]

You plug holes with those vested veterans, on cheaper contracts. You don't spend top-market FA dollars on them. You certainly don't waste draft capital on them.

Like, I'm not opposed to bringing in Davante Adams for 2 years. He's just money. Or veteran stop-gaps in other positions, so long as they just cost money. And you hope Polk and Baker and Boutee develop, or draft someone else who can.

Spending *draft picks* to get those players, when they should be used on a 22 year old, is where teams get into trouble.

I've said, throw the entire Brinks truck fleet at Ronnie Stanley, he's 31 in a couple weeks. Then you can use a draft pick to develop a guy, in theory, on top of that.

Also, most of those older players that directed culture were ones who were drafted here and were with the team a long time. It's far more rare to bring in a Rodney Harrison (who was still playing at an all-pro level, and signed for a bargain contract) or a Bryan Cox (same idea) or a Ted Washington (same idea). Randy Moss was a trade for a 4th round pick, and he's Randy ****ing Moss.

So, sign Davante Adams on what would be a bargain contract, draft a kid, let them all develop for a couple years under a guy who has done it before, great. Signing Chris Godwin off an ACL injury to a top-market contract, and using draft capital on DK Metcalf is actually insane. That's how teams set themselves back. Bring in Harold Landry for cheap and snag an EDGE rusher in the draft, yes. Trading draft capital for Hendrickson is bonkers.

You do see the difference, yes? If the Patriots were a couple players away from contention, then you explore those trade opportunities, absolutely. There's a difference between 'win now' and 'rebuild'. This is a rebuild. You need young talent under contract for significant term.

Godwin had a pretty severe ANKLE Injury, Aiyuk is the slacker with the bad knee.
We seem to agree on getting GOOD VETS that know what they are doing, short deals, even if expensive, already know what it takes.
We need both bud, and we have the $ for both.
I'm not advocating for 10 yr deals with the older guys like Kupp/Hendrickson etc...

 

[Huckleberry1]

Isn’t that something we should consider throwing 20 mio + on Williams too? Carter Davis and sweat got lots of attention too

I definitely think it’s a consideration, but I spoke to soon anyways. For some reason I thought they were releasing him, which could still happen, but I don’t want them doubling up with draft capitol and and a big payday. They need all their resources to rebuild this team.

 

[FortressX]

Bungles appear to be in full soap opera mode now

Trey Hendrickson says it has become "personal" with Zac Taylor after "disappointing" text exchange

The edge rusher said Taylor texted him Monday to tell Hendrickson he would be fined for missing mandatory minicamp.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[JohnJH]

Bungles appear to be in full soap opera mode now

Trey Hendrickson says it has become "personal" with Zac Taylor after "disappointing" text exchange

The edge rusher said Taylor texted him Monday to tell Hendrickson he would be fined for missing mandatory minicamp.

www.nbcsports.com

Well, Hendrickson isn't an idiot. He knew that between the money for Burrow and then Chase alone, and then add to that the new Higgins contract, that he was not a priority player to retain as far as Cincy was concerned. I suspect that they had plans to trade him sometime before regular training camps start (as it might lower his value because teams can complain that he'd be behind in learning a new Defense). Even then, given his age and how much money a team will have to pony up, in addition to a draft picks(s), they probably won't get as much for him as they hope to.

 

[JohnJH]

Trading a top-100 pick for a player in his 30s already is rarely a good proposition.
The money doesn't faze me in the slightest, it's the draft capital.

Anything more than a 5th Round Pick would be too much. I'd have to really believe that he could give us 3 solid years to give up a 3rd or 4th Round Pick.

 

[JohnJH]

in 3 years a lot can change. And "a lot" becomes weirder by the day. Plus with that kind of horizon, there are so many creative solutions to this problem

If he gives us 2 10 sack years, no one will consider a 2nd round pick a high cost. And this seems to be pessimistic

A 2nd Round Pick would be way too high for him, even if he gives us 3 10+ Sack Years. You might talk me into a 3rd Round Pick (and even then I'd rather it be a 4th Rounder).

 

[Ross12]

I’d max out at a 4th

 

[WhatJustHappened]

You CANNOT pay all your great players TOP $.
It's just not possible unless you go with chumps in the Mid/Lower portion of your roster.
Cincinnati is figuring it out the hard way.

 

[BobDigital]

Forget the draft pick, even if he was a free agent i would hesitate to sign him. There is no way he isn't getting at least a 4 year deal at a record breaking market value. Which means you are paying AT LEAST 3 for the caliber of player he has been and hoping he can continue to be that. History says typically production from 30-33 falls slightly. He will still be elite, but not top of the market elite. The only case a guy actually matched his previous production in his 30s (and actually did better weirdly enough) was Straham.

This is not to say i wouldn't want to sign him. I'd just be realistic about the contract. But i don't want to mortgage the future for it with a high draft pick to boot. If the Pats offense were in a better situation and more proven I think it be worth considering. Adding Hendrickson arguably gives us the best D in the NFL. If our O was more proven and ready to go it could be worth making that move and going all in.

 

[signbabybrady]

If Judon was worth a 3rd to someone last year I think that's a fair starting place for Hendrickson. I'd do it and I'd guess someone else would too if not us. Ideally we get more out of him than Atlanta got out of Judon both in terms of sacks per year and more than 1 season. I didn't like trading Judon last year and I think Hendrickson has more in the tank so that's why I'd do it.

Problem is he probably wants a new deal too. Not that I wouldn't do that too but for how much because trading and paying up makes it double costly.

 

[Love The Drake]

If Judon was worth a 3rd to someone last year I think that's a fair starting place for Hendrickson. I'd do it and I'd guess someone else would too if not us. Ideally we get more out of him than Atlanta got out of Judon both in terms of sacks per year and more than 1 season. I didn't like trading Judon last year and I think Hendrickson has more in the tank so that's why I'd do it.

Problem is he probably wants a new deal too. Not that I wouldn't do that too but for how much because trading and paying up makes it double costly.

Eagles and Bills we be all over this, maybe KC

 

[TheRainMaker]

If the Pats felt they could contend next season, they should strongly consider this. He's a very good player and an irritant that actually gets sacks. He'd be an awesome addition to a contending team. He's the closest thing to Simeon Rice putting Tampa Bay over the top.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

If Judon was worth a 3rd to someone last year I think that's a fair starting place for Hendrickson. I'd do it and I'd guess someone else would too if not us. Ideally we get more out of him than Atlanta got out of Judon both in terms of sacks per year and more than 1 season. I didn't like trading Judon last year and I think Hendrickson has more in the tank so that's why I'd do it.

Problem is he probably wants a new deal too. Not that I wouldn't do that too but for how much because trading and paying up makes it double costly.

Probably? He said it, and he's looking for 30+ per year. Fk that nonsense.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Eagles and Bills we be all over this, maybe KC

Good, let them have him and his 30+ per year demands.
**** that clown

 

[JohnJH]

If the Pats felt they could contend next season, they should strongly consider this. He's a very good player and an irritant that actually gets sacks. He'd be an awesome addition to a contending team. He's the closest thing to Simeon Rice putting Tampa Bay over the top.

If we continue to improve to where we don't even need to add a FA (or similar) to our team, and we had the money (with such a player just being overkill to our opponent's), then sure. But we're about 2 to 3 years away from being in a position to do just that.

 

[JohnJH]

If Judon was worth a 3rd to someone last year I think that's a fair starting place for Hendrickson. I'd do it and I'd guess someone else would too if not us. Ideally we get more out of him than Atlanta got out of Judon both in terms of sacks per year and more than 1 season. I didn't like trading Judon last year and I think Hendrickson has more in the tank so that's why I'd do it.

Problem is he probably wants a new deal too. Not that I wouldn't do that too but for how much because trading and paying up makes it double costly.

Those are just two of the reasons why I think getting him would be a bad idea. I didn't like bringing in Judon when he was 28 in his 1st year with us (as Bill was trying to shore up his inept team building), let alone a guy that'll be 31 in his 1st year with us. And like you said, there's not only the draft compensation, but the new contract.

 

[signbabybrady]

Probably? He said it, and he's looking for 30+ per year. Fk that nonsense.

Sometimes getting traded lightens ones demands. I think he's still just good enough to command too much but if the price is right I'd definitely try.

 

[signbabybrady]

Those are just two of the reasons why I think getting him would be a bad idea. I didn't like bringing in Judon when he was 28 in his 1st year with us (as Bill was trying to shore up his inept team building), let alone a guy that'll be 31 in his 1st year with us. And like you said, there's not only the draft compensation, but the new contract.

Put a 28 year old Judon on this team and that would be a good thing.

 

[JohnJH]

Put a 28 year old Judon on this team and that would be a good thing.

Now it would be. Back when Bill did it? No. Because the team didn't have the level of talent that it does now, and Bill had lost his Mojo.

 

[JayNM]

A 2nd Round Pick would be way too high for him, even if he gives us 3 10+ Sack Years. You might talk me into a 3rd Round Pick (and even then I'd rather it be a 4th Rounder).

Now it seems a bit superfluous, id agree