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venecol

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Stop putting words in my mouth. Never compared him to Tua or Winston as far as quality of QB. I said if he can be pressured up the middle it can force him to play as bad as Tua or Winston. Stop being butt hurt because I said something negative about Brady.

It is a proven fact that Brady's biggest weakness is that he gets rattled when he is consistently pressured up the middle. It can turn him into a mediocre QB and has done so in games in the past. That was my point. If the Pats can consistently pressure Brady up the middle, they have a chance to turn him into a QB the quality of Tua or Winston. I never said that Tua or Winston were in the same stratosphere as Brady.

If you turned off your obvious pro-Brady biases, you would see that not only did I not say anything outrageous but also gave a spot on analysis of Brady's weakness.

And the Pats beat themselves vs. the Dolphins. And the Pats' offense was the reason they lost to the Saints. The Pats' defense held the Dolphins to 17 points and the Saints' offense to 21 points.
Thanks for shedding light with "your spot on analysis" of Brady's weakness that according to you is already "a proven fact."

My little niece could parrot that same "proven fact" analysis after hearing it 200 times the last few days, except she wouldn't try to take credit as "her spot on analysis." LMAO

Now about that ice cream, avocado OK with you?
 

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But Brady's kryptonite is a strong pass rush up the middle. If the Pat can pressure up the middle, they have the chance of making Brady as bad as Tua or Winston. Not guaranteed, but Brady has a history of having his worst games when a team can pressure up the middle.

The quality of QB doesn't change a pass rush unless the Pats change their defensive game plan.
That’s not a new thing, the league already knows that. Much easier said than done. Bucs OL is excellent.
 

venecol

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That’s not a new thing, the league already knows that. Much easier said than done. Bucs OL is excellent.
Not only that, but Brady already knows exactly what Bill will try to do to stop him. He spent 20 years with the man in a room breaking down tape. He knows exactly how he thinks. Nothing will surprise him. This game will come down to execution. If his receivers drop a bunch of balls or deflect passes into the hands of DBs then that's the type of play that can change a game.
 
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Thanks for shedding light with "your spot on analysis" of Brady's weakness that according to you is already "a proven fact."

My little niece could parrot that same "proven fact" analysis after hearing it 200 times the last few days, except she wouldn't try to take credit as "her spot on analysis." LMAO

Now about that ice cream, avocado OK with you?

You are such moron and Brady homer. Why do I bother with your idiocy?

I am trying to educate you, but you only want to hear "Brady is awesome. He is going to shred this defense".

You Brady cultists are the worst kind of Patriots "fans".
 

Rob0729

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That’s not a new thing, the league already knows that. Much easier said than done. Bucs OL is excellent.

I never said that the Pats would do it. I know it isn't a guarantee. Never guaranteed it. I said it was a positive sign that they lead the league in up the middle pressure and IF they can repeat it tomorrow night they have a chance of shutting down Brady. Never once said it was going to happen. Never said it is likely to happen.

All I did was point out what everyone knows is Brady's biggest weakness and that if the Pats can do it consistently, they have the chance of making him play like crap based on the fact that they currently lead the league in QB pressures up the middle. Nothing outrageous. Nothing controversial. In fact, all I did was speak the obvious.
 

venecol

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You are such moron and Brady homer. Why do I bother with your idiocy?

I am trying to educate you, but you only want to hear "Brady is awesome. He is going to shred this defense".

You Brady cultists are the worst kind of Patriots "fans".
Tap out dude. You're getting really emotional in a football forum over nothing. You sound like....

 

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Not only that, but Brady already knows exactly what Bill will try to do to stop him. He spent 20 years with the man in a room breaking down tape. He knows exactly how he thinks. Nothing will surprise him. This game will come down to execution. If his receivers drop a bunch of balls or deflect passes into the hands of DBs then that's the type of play that can change a game.
Secondary needs to be on point they have to have their best game yet
 

Rob0729

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Tap out dude. You're getting really emotional in a football forum over nothing. You sound like....


No emotional at all. I kind pity you cultists. And having watching you expose yourself as a yahoo Brady homer. You are just annoying.

Tell us again how Brady is going to out coach Belichick because he has 20 years experience watching Belichick coach and knows everything about him. Kinda unfair Belichick don't you think. I bet Belichick kinda wishes he had 20 years of watching Brady every day and being able diagnose his weaknesses so he can potentially exploit them like Brady has for Belichick.

BTW, Brady, with that 20 years of experience with Belichick, would tell you that Belichick is a game specific game planner and builds his game plan based on his opponent. And I think Tom Brady can tell you that in all those 20 years, Belichick has never coached a game against Tom Brady. So do you think it is possible that Belichick may have something up his sleeve that Brady may not expect?

Plus, IF the Patriots are able to consistently put pressure on Brady up the middle, what would Brady's knowledge of Belichick mean anyway? If Brady gets sacked or throws an interception because he is pressured up the middle, he can take pride that he wasn't tricked into doing it?
 
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venecol

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No emotional at all. I kind pity you cultists. And having watching you expose yourself as a yahoo Brady homer. You are just annoying.

Tell us again how Brady is going to out coach Belichick because he has 20 years experience watching Belichick coach and knows everything about him. Kinda unfair Belichick don't you think. I bet Belichick kinda wishes he had 20 years of watching Brady every day and being able diagnose his weaknesses so he can potentially exploit them like Brady has for Belichick.

BTW, Brady, with that 20 years of experience with Belichick, would tell you that Belichick is a game specific game planner and builds his game plan based on his opponent. And I think Tom Brady can tell you that in all those 20 years, Belichick has never coached a game against Tom Brady. So do you think it is possible that Belichick may have something up his sleeve that Brady may not expect?

Plus, IF the Patriots are able to consistently put pressure on Brady up the middle, what would Brady's knowledge of Belichick mean anyway? If Brady gets sacked or throws an interception because he is pressured up the middle, he can take pride that he wasn't tricked into doing it?
So that's a no on the ice cream?
 

venecol

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No emotional at all. I kind pity you cultists. And having watching you expose yourself as a yahoo Brady homer. You are just annoying.

Tell us again how Brady is going to out coach Belichick because he has 20 years experience watching Belichick coach and knows everything about him. Kinda unfair Belichick don't you think. I bet Belichick kinda wishes he had 20 years of watching Brady every day and being able diagnose his weaknesses so he can potentially exploit them like Brady has for Belichick.

BTW, Brady, with that 20 years of experience with Belichick, would tell you that Belichick is a game specific game planner and builds his game plan based on his opponent. And I think Tom Brady can tell you that in all those 20 years, Belichick has never coached a game against Tom Brady. So do you think it is possible that Belichick may have something up his sleeve that Brady may not expect?

Plus, IF the Patriots are able to consistently put pressure on Brady up the middle, what would Brady's knowledge of Belichick mean anyway? If Brady gets sacked or throws an interception because he is pressured up the middle, he can take pride that he wasn't tricked into doing it?
Seriously Rob, the difference is that Belichick is not out there playing. He can scheme all he wants but at the end he has to rely on his players performing, and guess what, there are players on the other side of the ball trying to stop them.

You don't think Brady spent countless hours with Bowles telling him how Josh sets up protections based on looks, etc. The advantage here is on Brady over Bill because he's actually on the field of play and can make adjustments on the fly. The information he provides Bowles about McD's offensive schemes is invaluable. He helps the Bucs on both sides of the ball. If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you. Ask Willie McGiness who he thinks has the advantage. Do you think Willie is a "Brady cultist" too just because he's being realistic and reasonable?

I want the Pats to win. I doubt they will because everything I've seen this season from both teams (I've watched all their games) tells me that Tampa Bay has more talent and have been executing better as a team than the Pats have. Do the Pats have a chance because of Belichick? Yes they do. I've already said this game is going to be closer than people think. I'm thinking a 7 point game.
 
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Seriously Rob, the difference is that Belichick is not out there playing. He can scheme all he wants but at the end he has to rely on his players performing, and guess what, there are players on the other side of the ball trying to stop them.

You don't think Brady spent countless hours with Bowles telling him how Josh sets up protections based on looks, etc. The advantage here is on Brady over Bill because he's actually on the field of play and can make adjustments on the fly. The information he provides Bowles about McD's offensive schemes is invaluable. He helps the Bucs on both sides of the ball. If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you. Ask Willie McGiness who he thinks has the advantage. Do you think Willie is a "Brady cultist" too just because he's being realistic and reasonable?

I want the Pats to win. I doubt they will because everything I've seen this season from both teams (I've watched all their games) tells me that Tampa Bay has more talent and have been executing better as a team than the Pats have. Do the Pats have a chance because of Belichick? Yes they do. I've already said this game is going to be closer than people think. I'm thinking a 7 point game.

I like the enthusiasm but if the pats oc is defeated schematically, there are about 32 defensive coordinators in the league who can do this without needing the goat qb....

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I like the enthusiasm but if the pats oc is defeated schematically, there are about 32 defensive coordinators in the league who can do this without needing the goat qb....

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Don't understand what you're saying but I said in the GDT thread that it looked like the Saints knew our playbook. They were prepared for everything we did. It was uncanny.

Imagine what the Bucs can do having the inside knowledge of TFB. It still comes down to execution. If the Bucs commit a bunch of dumb penalties and turn over the ball, the Pats have a chance to pull off the upset. The Saints didn't do any of that so they won. Easily.
 

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Don't understand what you're saying but I said in the GDT thread that it looked like the Saints knew our playbook. They were prepared for everything we did. It was uncanny.

Imagine what the Bucs can do having the inside knowledge of TFB. It still comes down to execution. If the Bucs commit a bunch of dumb penalties and turn over the ball, the Pats have a chance to pull off the upset. The Saints didn't do any of that so they won. Easily.
The Saints missed two FGs. Winston did not look good most of the game. We just made more mistakes than they did. A lot more.
 

DropKickFlutie

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Don't understand what you're saying but I said in the GDT thread that it looked like the Saints knew our playbook. They were prepared for everything we did. It was uncanny.

Imagine what the Bucs can do having the inside knowledge of TFB. It still comes down to execution. If the Bucs commit a bunch of dumb penalties and turn over the ball, the Pats have a chance to pull off the upset. The Saints didn't do any of that so they won. Easily.

It's not uncanny. Several here including myself can predict over 2/3 of the plays sitting on our couch just seeing how they line up presnap on tv. I agree with you the oc has very predictable play calling. I'm saying we don't have to credit brady helping the bucs , the whole league already knows what our one trick pony oc is doing on offense. But yea it could be very bad with brady giving tips. Not needed but it won't be good for the pats.
 

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Seriously Rob, the difference is that Belichick is not out there playing. He can scheme all he wants but at the end he has to rely on his players performing, and guess what, there are players on the other side of the ball trying to stop them.

You don't think Brady spent countless hours with Bowles telling him how Josh sets up protections based on looks, etc. The advantage here is on Brady over Bill because he's actually on the field of play and can make adjustments on the fly. The information he provides Bowles about McD's offensive schemes is invaluable. He helps the Bucs on both sides of the ball. If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you. Ask Willie McGiness who he thinks has the advantage. Do you think Willie is a "Brady cultist" too just because he's being realistic and reasonable?

I want the Pats to win. I doubt they will because everything I've seen this season from both teams (I've watched all their games) tells me that Tampa Bay has more talent and have been executing better as a team than the Pats have. Do the Pats have a chance because of Belichick? Yes they do. I've already said this game is going to be closer than people think. I'm thinking a 7 point game.

Again, if the Pats’ defenders win the match ups in the middle and put pressure on Brady, what advantage does he have knowing Belichick? That’s my point. The rest of the stuff is irrelevant to this argument.

And the way the Bucs’ defense has played thus far and with JPP and two of their top three CBs out, it will be tough for them to execute to begin with. And Belichick and McDaniels are well versed in Bowles’ defenses. They know their weaknesses and tendencies.

I have said multiple times that I don’t think the Pars will win. I am giving a possible way they might be able to though. Although with Gronk and JPP definitely out, I like the Pats’ chances better. Now the Pats don’t have to double the TE and they have one less of the Bucs’ pass rushers to deal with.
 

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Excellent. Then I’m down to choke off everything in the shallow and intermediate levels of the field. Flood that middle zone and those hooks, let him hold the ball waiting for the deep routes to develop, and smash the f.uck out of him. I do disagree with not disguising coverages though. Just because he’s seen it all doesn’t mean he isn’t prone to the occasional brain fart. We need a turnover or two.

This at the least puts him in unfamilar territory, pushes him out of his comfort zone and could probably make it easier to bait him with disguised coverages. Without Gronk and Bernard, I like our chances now.
 

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This AB double move is a killer.

 

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