Belichick still greatest of all time coach?

[venecol]

I gave multiple examples in this thread of how Belichick coached up players and hid weakness by creatively using JAGs or making players two way players to fix deficits on the team (making Troy Brown a CB or Bruschi a TE). Sb1 called all tactical things. So I am just using his words.

But game planning is a huge part of coaching. For two decades, Belichick and his staff designed game plans to take away the opponents' best weapon and made them try to beat them other ways.

And are you saying Belichick didn't get his players to execute his game plans? Are you saying the head coach is irrelevant and it is all the players?

I am sorry, for twenty years it wasn't Brady carrying the team and Belichick just riding his coat tails.

 

[Rob0729]

This is something that someone writes when they have no substance, so they just go into hyperbole and avoid specifics. I’ve never heard a damn thing you've said about his specific team building strategy, economic approach to player value, specific coaching schemes (real ones, not your fake, superficial takes), or really anything. In addition, you’ve shown you don’t know squat about NFL history, so it's hilarious that you try to brush off at least 50 years (half) of league history so you can create Felger levels of buzzword based opinion.

And yet, I know worlds more about the NFL than you. Go back and read this thread. I gave plenty of examples.

I think most people on this board agree that idiots like you are ruining this board. You aren't a Pats fan. You constantly attack anyone who disagree with your moronic anti-Belichick/pro-Brady agenda. You are the worst kind of yahoo fan.

But I love how I live in your head. You cannot stop getting outraged by me. I find it delicious.

 

[Water Boy]

My confidence in Belichek is really shaken. I was on BB's side in the divorce and was willing to look past last year. So far this year really speaks to bad coaching. I don't think its roster talent or lack thereof. My understanding is that BB has been more delegatory lately ( good thing for the draft) but it doesn't look like his staff is up to the task.

I have real concerns with our o line coaching and defensive coaching. There seems to be a lack of on field leadership too.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

And yet, I know worlds more about the NFL than you. Go back and read this thread. I gave plenty of examples.

I think most people on this board agree that idiots like you are ruining this board. You aren't a Pats fan. You constantly attack anyone who disagree with your moronic anti-Belichick/pro-Brady agenda. You are the worst kind of yahoo fan.

But I love how I live in your head. You cannot stop getting outraged by me. I find it delicious.

You should keep those creepy thoughts to yourself. It’s just weird.

You’ve done exactly what I said: talked about coaches post-1970. Noll, Gibbs, Levy, etc. You completely ignore the great tacticians who came before Belichick, and who have been cited by Belichick, as his influences. Argue a point like a real football historian instead of as a phony homer with an agenda. I can tell you, but you can’t tell me, what Belichick has actually done as a tactician and how that compares to coaches like Halas, Brown, Lombardi, Shula, Landry, and Walsh.

You claim that someone is the greatest tactician in history for having a few guys switch positions out of necessity? And then onto “creative gameplans ”which you know nothing about and have no historical benchmark.

You don’t have a clue and just make big statements.

I just wrote that BB (along with maybe Halas) is the greatest coach of all-time and pointed out that these other coaches did not perform any better without their all-time great QBs, and that many accomplished much less despite having great QB talent. Your moronic, black-and-white view of the world is fascinating…anyone who puts you in your place for being a wind bag is supposedly trying to take down Belichick, even when the opposite is happening, like right here.

The thing is, my opinions are always consistent while yours are not. You argue just to pump yourself our and use dishonest tactics. The idea that Belichick is the greatest, greater than any other head coach, and that he was largely dependent on Brady, can co-exist in a very logical way. I don’t have to create exaggerations, circular reasoning, and bs semantics games to make a point. You pollute threads with dishonest garbage.

 

[Rob0729]

You should keep those creepy thoughts to yourself. It’s just weird.

You’ve done exactly what I said: talked about coaches post-1970. Noll, Gibbs, Levy, etc. You completely ignore the great tacticians who came before Belichick, and who have been cited by Belichick, as his influences. Argue a point like a real football historian instead of as a phony homer with an agenda. I can tell you, but you can’t tell me, what Belichick has actually done as a tactician and how that compares to coaches like Halas, Brown, Lombardi, Shula, Landry, and Walsh. You don’t have a clue and just make big statements.

I just wrote that BB (along with maybe Halas) is the greatest coach of all-time and pointed out that these other coaches did not perform any better without their all-time great QBs, and that many accomplished much less despite having great QB talent. Your moronic, black-and-white view of the world is fascinating…anyone who puts you in your place for being a wind bag is supposedly trying to take down Belichick, even when the opposite is happening, like right here.

The thing is, my opinions are always consistent while yours are not. You argue just to pump yourself our and use dishonest tactics. The idea that Belichick is the greatest, greater than any other head coach, and that he was largely dependent on Brady, can co-exist in a very logical way. I don’t have to create exaggerations, circular reasoning, and bs semantics games to make a point. You pollute threads with dishonest garbage.

I am not ignoring anything. I think all the coaches you listed are right up there. I just think Belichick is the greatest. Doesn't take away from the other great head coaches. I don't see things as black and white.

And it isn't like thinking Belichick is the greatest head coach of all time is a controversial or homer stance. You Google greatest NFL head coach of all time and you will find plenty of lists from legitimate NFL publications that has Belichick #1. Just because you don't agree doesn't make the people who believe he is any more wrong than you are.

And yes, your opinions are consistently idiotic and confrontational. Hence why you are joke and I don't take any of your opinions seriously.

But seriously, maybe you should step away from the board for a few days or weeks. You clearly are unhinged and possibly are in need for psychological help. Your obsession with me and as you said several times your inability to not "take the bait" that I am supposedly laying out for you seems to be consuming you.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I am not ignoring anything. I think all the coaches you listed are right up there. I just think Belichick is the greatest. Doesn't take away from the other great head coaches. I don't see things as black and white.

And it isn't like thinking Belichick is the greatest head coach of all time is a controversial or homer stance. You Google greatest NFL head coach of all time and you will find plenty of lists from legitimate NFL publications that has Belichick #1. Just because you don't agree doesn't make the people who believe he is any more wrong than you are.

I can’t tell if you’re arguing just to argue or are really having comprehension problems. For the last time, I’ve argued that Belichick is the greatest coach of all-time, though I’m certain we don’t come to that conclusion through the same path.

It‘s your big, unsubstantiated claim that he’s the greatest tactician of all-time, and your pop culture type of examples to support it, that are laughable. He used Troy Brown at cornerback…he’s got good gameplans too…lol…it’s like a low brow Twitter discussion.

And yes, your opinions are consistently idiotic and confrontational. Hence why you are joke and I don't take any of your opinions seriously.

But seriously, maybe you should step away from the board for a few days or weeks. You clearly are unhinged and possibly are in need for psychological help. Your obsession with me and as you said several times your inability to not "take the bait" that I am supposedly laying out for you seems to be consuming you.

That **** never works on me. Spin your wheels all you want.

 

[Tottie]

He's the goat because in OT vs the Broncos and Manning he chose the wind and gave the ball to Manning first. We won!

 

[Rob0729]

I can’t tell if you’re arguing just to argue or are really having comprehension problems. For the last time, I’ve argued that Belichick is the greatest coach of all-time, though I’m certain we don’t come to that conclusion through the same path.

It‘s your big, unsubstantiated claim that he’s the greatest tactician of all-time, and your pop culture type of examples to support it, that are laughable. He used Troy Brown at cornerback…he’s got good gameplans too…lol…it’s like a low brow Twitter discussion.


That **** never works on me. Spin your wheels all you want.

LOL! Who is the one who has comprehension problems? I said multiple times I used tactician because that is the word sb1 used for examples of reasons why I think Belichick is the greatest of all time. Not the word I would have used on my own, but I was using his terminology to make my point.

And constantly twist my words. I listed a dozen of examples of things he does that makes him the greatest of time and said there are hundreds or thousands thousands things he does like them that makes him great. Belichick is the greatest because his attention to the details is extraordinary, he is innovative, he is constantly looking for little things to make the team better most things that other head coaches would never think of, he coaches up talent (some mediocre talent) to play maximum level, and he develops game plans that force the opponents play the way he wants them to. This is all stuff I have said in this thread. If you cannot understand that, I am sorry for you. But stop putting words in my mouth.

Spin my wheels?!? I am spinning your head. You are absolutely obsessed with me. I bet you can't even go a day when we are both on this board when you can go and not attack me for something. You attack me unprovoked like 2-3 times a day now. It is clear I am in your head.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

He's the goat because in OT vs the Broncos and Manning he chose the wind and gave the ball to Manning first. We won!

No, it’s because he uses details

 

[Rob0729]

He's the goat because in OT vs the Broncos and Manning he chose the wind and gave the ball to Manning first. We won!

I gotta love the anti-Belichick/pro-Brady idiots circle j**k you all have.

Not surprised that you cannot get a simple argument.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I gotta love the anti-Belichick/pro-Brady idiots circle j**k you all have.

Not surprised that you cannot get a simple argument.

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You didn’t list any specific examples, which is why you’re getting mocked. This is just a list of pop culture, broad brush stuff. As suspected, you don’t actually know what you’re talking about. I get it…this stuff works with your typical cultists who eat up buzz words.

• What are little things to make the team better that other head coaches would never think of?
• How is he innovative?
• Do you really think other coaches don’t create gameplans that force opponents to play how they want to? Isn’t that the entire point of a gameplan?
• What are examples of how he’s used details in ways other coaches cannot?
• So you’re saying there aren’t just 12 or so things…it might be THOUSANDS? Wow.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

LOL! Who is the one who has comprehension problems? I said multiple times I used tactician because that is the word sb1 used for examples of reasons why I think Belichick is the greatest of all time. Not the word I would have used on my own, but I was using his terminology to make my point.

And constantly twist my words. I listed a dozen of examples of things he does that makes him the greatest of time and said there are hundreds or thousands thousands things he does like them that makes him great. Belichick is the greatest because his attention to the details is extraordinary, he is innovative, he is constantly looking for little things to make the team better most things that other head coaches would never think of, he coaches up talent (some mediocre talent) to play maximum level, and he develops game plans that force the opponents play the way he wants them to. This is all stuff I have said in this thread. If you cannot understand that, I am sorry for you. But stop putting words in my mouth.

Spin my wheels?!? I am spinning your head. You are absolutely obsessed with me. I bet you can't even go a day when we are both on this board when you can go and not attack me for something. You attack me unprovoked like 2-3 times a day now. It is clear I am in your head.

Maybe you can research things like:

• Positional versatility (and no, not in the offense/defense context)
• Market-based strategic player acquisitions
• Bend-don’t-break and red zone player strategy
• Middle of field defensive priority
• Imbalanced pass:run game plans
• Special teams/field position value
• Multi-front defense
• Pressure as a group concept

That would be a nice start.

 

[Tony2046]

My confidence in Belichek is really shaken. I was on BB's side in the divorce and was willing to look past last year. So far this year really speaks to bad coaching. I don't think its roster talent or lack thereof. My understanding is that BB has been more delegatory lately ( good thing for the draft) but it doesn't look like his staff is up to the task.

I have real concerns with our o line coaching and defensive coaching. There seems to be a lack of on field leadership too.

My confidence isn't shaken. Don't get me wrong. I see what you see but I've also seen the first four weeks, even with Brady, look shaky. This is a new team with a rookie QB and a bunch of new pieces. It takes time for all of that to come together. I've seen the one thing that I was hoping for and that is a promising rookie QB. Everything else will be sorted out.

BTW, I'm not expecting anything like the last twenty years. That's never happened before and it'll probably never happen again. Just give me some good competitive football and a chance at the playoffs and I'll be fine.

 

[Rob0729]

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You didn’t list any specific examples, which is why you’re getting mocked. This is just a list of pop culture, broad brush stuff. As suspected, you don’t actually know what you’re talking about. I get it…this stiff works with your typical cultists who eat up buzz words.

• What are little things to make the team better that other head coaches would never think of?
• How is he innovative?
• Do you really think other coaches don’t create gameplans that force opponents to play how they want to? Isn’t that the entire point of a gameplan?
• What are examples of how he’s used details in ways other coaches cannot?
• So you’re saying there aren’t just 12 or so things…it might be THOUSANDS? Wow.

You aren't smart enough to mock me. In fact, you seem to successfully open yourself up to ridicule .

But let's look your stupidity.

You have harassed me and others on this board who think Belichick is the greatest of all time for not looking at legacy coaches like Shula, Lombardi, etc. And then you say that you think Belichick is the greatest of all time yourself. So if you agree that Belichick is the greatest of all time, why are harassing people who don't consider head coaches you think are lesser head coaches than Belichick?

And you haven't given a reason why you consider him the best of all time or why we even consider any of these other coaches other than you claiming our ignorance of the past. All the stuff you accuse me of, you do yourself. You are just too stupid to realize it.

And I answered most of these questions and much of it has been long documented.

• The little things are the things I already said. Things like finding loopholes in the rules and using the to his advantage. It is well documented how much he has his players do extra work in the class room and are consistently tested on their knowledge which most teams don't do.
• Some of the ways he has been innovations are game plan opponent specific defenses. No one was doing that when Belichick was and even to this day most are not. Also, having these defenses take away the one best thing you do and force you to beat the Pats another way is an innovation from Belichick. He also put a lot of emphasis on special teams where most coaches did not (this could go to the answer above too) and he was using starters on special teams when most teams were not. Or how about grazing cow defense with disguised coverages/rushes and people just walking around off the line?
• And yes, every team tries to make the other team not play the way they want. I can't think of many if any other team that does it by running what scheme is best suited for that game and opponent and design that scheme to take away that opponent's best weapon.

 

[Rob0729]

Maybe you can research things like:

• Positional versatility (and no, not in the offense/defense context)
• Market-based strategic player acquisitions
• Bend-don’t-break and red zone player strategy
• Middle of field defensive priority
• Imbalanced pass:run game plans
• Special teams/field position value
• Multi-front defense
• Pressure as a group concept

That would be a nice start.

LOL! Just throw out a bunch of buzz words that you probably don't even understand.

I just gave specific examples and not overall concepts. Of course if pointed out positional versatility on both sides of the ball of course it was implied he did it with players on the same side of the ball. So your first point is the same point you mocked about me just worded differently. You gave overall concepts and I gave specific examples of these concepts.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

LOL! Just throw out a bunch of buzz words that you probably don't even understand.

I just gave specific examples and not overall concepts. Of course if pointed out positional versatility on both sides of the ball of course it was implied he did it with players on the same side of the ball. So your first point is the same point you mocked about me just worded differently. You gave overall concepts and I gave specific examples of these concepts.

Mmmmm hmmmm

 

[reflexblue]

My confidence in Belichek is really shaken. I was on BB's side in the divorce and was willing to look past last year. So far this year really speaks to bad coaching. I don't think its roster talent or lack thereof. My understanding is that BB has been more delegatory lately ( good thing for the draft) but it doesn't look like his staff is up to the task.

I have real concerns with our o line coaching and defensive coaching. There seems to be a lack of on field leadership too.

BB is still the GOAT, but listening to him say that the blocking by the o-line was good last night gave me pause.

 

[Pats1971]

BB is still the GOAT, but listening to him say that the blocking by the o-line was good last night gave me pause.

Maybe it was. I am not sure why people cannot understand that young QB's with no experience get sacked a lot. I dont care what oline you have. Vet Qb's do a lot of things before the snap for protection, its not just the oline. A QB is as much responsible for that.

 

[Biffins]

I wonder if he retires in a year or two without having a good run or even making the playoffs, does that hurt his case for goat? Ironic that if he retired when brady left he would probably be considered better.

He's still the greatest coach of all time.

He's fast tarnishing his GM reputation late in his career though.

 

[TheRainMaker]

He's fast tarnishing his GM reputation late in his career though.

You can add Bolden over Michel as his next blunder. Awful move. I never thought Michel was anything special, but he is compared to Bolden.

I better not see Bolden trotting out onto the field next Sunday night.