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God forbid we want to trade for a wide receiver that actually wants to get into a game and make the impact that he and everyone else knows he's capable of. Here's an idea! Let's trade for a receiver that sulks on the sideline and does NOT want to get in the game. That would be so cool...
Yeah, this makes sense.
Yeah, this makes sense.
. Once again, we will disagree.
On the BB is an egomaniac out to prove he can duplicate 2001 is ridiculous. I doubt there is a coach in the league who looks to avoid and/or deflects the spotlight more than BB. He is a 'players' coach who runs his team with an iron hand, but he NEVER throws a player under the bus. When things are bad, it's HIS fault, and when they are going well, its the PLAYERS doing. This 'it's all about him' thing is really ludicrous. Just media and fans making it up as they go along.
One of the things I like about Toys is that although I disagree with him more often than not, he is always detailed in his posts and tries to back up his opinion with facts...or more opinion
First a couple of general points.
1. Its APRIL, pre-draft and this team is so far from being complete it isn't even funny. Last year when we added TBC, most of us didn't even react. IMO, I thought he was an excellent addition to special teams, and a no risk signing. NO ONE thought he'd turn into a double digit sacker, with one of the best pressure ratios in the league. Hey, it was TBC we were talking about here. Most posters thought he was camp fodder.
My point is that we DON'T know. We don't even have a clue. BB doesn't "know" either, but he has a much better clue than us. Perhaps he sees Edelman having a similar kind of break out year that Welker experienced when he came to the Pats. Maybe he looks at Chung and sees the next Rodney Harrison in development.
2. I'm on board with the lack of an aggressive FA approach in this year. We just signed a bunch of our own long term. And we STILL have Mankins and Brady to deal with.
Its a lot easier to sign Marshall to a huge WR deal when your QB is making around $2MM/yr. Its another thing to sign him when your QB is going to be making $15-20MM. Two teams in completely different situations
Next year the Jets will have to deal with resigning Revis, D'Brick, Mangold, Holmes, Edwards, and Cromartie (just off the top of my head). ALL of those guys are going to want top 5 contracts....and as we know....it can't be done.
The other key point to remember is that everyone knew that this was going to be a VERY thin FA year, with all those guys having an extra year in RFA. ALL those guys are going to be free NEXT year...and because there will be so many coming into UFA, they will be more economical to sign.
The Pats have shown that they will be aggressive in FA and with trades. If you have to think about the team LT, then NEXT year will be a better year to be aggressive, especially after building your core with 2 excellent DEEP drafts (I hope)
If Toys is absolutely correct and we have all these holes to fill, then adding a WR like Boldin or Marshall wouldn't really make that much of a difference to a team with SOOOO many holes, right?
But do we really have all those holes.
TE - He's right on the money here. We definitely need to add a quality TE. This is a good year for TE's There are several to be had starting in round 2, and we will likely have a shot of one of the top 3. OR we mike make a deal for the Denver TE, if we want a guy who is a good receiver.
WR - From what I've read, this is NOT a great draft for WRs, especially at the top end. OTOH there are a lot of guys who look like they could be solid pros that can be had all THROUGH the first 2 rounds and into the 4th (where Brandon Marshall was found btw). I would look at our draft as telling a lot about where BB thinks Edelman and Tate are in their development. If we don't invest a high pick on a WR, then it tells me that both those guys are looking good this season.
OLB - I wouldn't be so fast about thinking that AD is gone. IF, and I mean IF, BB ends up being the de facto DC, then AD might be very happy to stay another year. I am of the opinion that the very nature of how effective ALL offenses have become, defenses are going to HAVE to become more aggressive, more feast or famine like, in their basic philosophies to be effective. If BB agrees with this, then AD could be a very good tool.
CB- YES I WILL say the W words. Wilhite is STILL a CB in progress and like Hobbs before him, might be much better suited to being the nickelback in the slot. Also Wheatley has had his moments when he manages to get on the field. Its is stupid to dismiss them out of hand. Assante Samuel endured the SAME kinds of ridicule in his first 2 years.
RB - I'm sure we'll draft one, but I doubt it will be in the first 2 rounds. Don't forget that the Pats had the 12th best rushing attack in the league last season, DESPITE being a pass first offense. Only 3 of the 11 teams with better running attacks had few attempts per game. So, I'm OK if we go into the season with Moroney, Taylor, and Morris as our top 3 TBs...along with Faulk and some draft pick. Can the running attack be better. SURE, but its not an immediate need THIS year.
DL - I think we will see one of the top 4 picks going to a guy who projects to be a quality starting 3-4 DE in this league. Just like I'm fairly sure that one will be used to get a quality pass rushing OLB/4-3 DE - But Wright isn't a stiff and Pryor showed that he can play, so we DON'T need an immediate starter like some are suggesting.....and there is still the enigma known as Ron Brace still lurking. I'd be interested in hearing about how HIS off season is going. Is he stronger. Is he lighter? Is he even participating? Its been awful quite on the Ron Brace scene, especially since he's a local kid.
And finally don't forget that FA ISN'T over until September. We don't know who will be available in the near and distant future as time goes on. By the time training camp rolls around there will be plenty of veteran "Jabbar Gaffney" types of WR who will be available to fill in there. There will be several run stopping DT and DE around as well.
What there won't be is available pass rushing DL and LBs (unless we make the Haynesworth trade). THAT is a commodity that EVERY team is looking for, so we will just have to be lucky with the draft or a "travis laboy" type FA blossoming. (I hear Vernon Gholston could be had for a song. LOL )
On the BB is an egomaniac out to prove he can duplicate 2001 is ridiculous. I doubt there is a coach in the league who looks to avoid and/or deflects the spotlight more than BB. He is a 'players' coach who runs his team with an iron hand, but he NEVER throws a player under the bus. When things are bad, it's HIS fault, and when they are going well, its the PLAYERS doing. This 'it's all about him' thing is really ludicrous. Just media and fans making it up as they go along.
One of the things I like about Toys is that although I disagree with him more often than not, he is always detailed in his posts and tries to back up his opinion with facts...or more opinion
First a couple of general points.
1. Its APRIL, pre-draft and this team is so far from being complete it isn't even funny. Last year when we added TBC, most of us didn't even react. IMO, I thought he was an excellent addition to special teams, and a no risk signing. NO ONE thought he'd turn into a double digit sacker, with one of the best pressure ratios in the league. Hey, it was TBC we were talking about here. Most posters thought he was camp fodder.
My point is that we DON'T know. We don't even have a clue. BB doesn't "know" either, but he has a much better clue than us. Perhaps he sees Edelman having a similar kind of break out year that Welker experienced when he came to the Pats. Maybe he looks at Chung and sees the next Rodney Harrison in development.
2. I'm on board with the lack of an aggressive FA approach in this year. We just signed a bunch of our own long term. And we STILL have Mankins and Brady to deal with.
Its a lot easier to sign Marshall to a huge WR deal when your QB is making around $2MM/yr. Its another thing to sign him when your QB is going to be making $15-20MM. Two teams in completely different situations
Next year the Jets will have to deal with resigning Revis, D'Brick, Mangold, Holmes, Edwards, and Cromartie (just off the top of my head). ALL of those guys are going to want top 5 contracts....and as we know....it can't be done.
The other key point to remember is that everyone knew that this was going to be a VERY thin FA year, with all those guys having an extra year in RFA. ALL those guys are going to be free NEXT year...and because there will be so many coming into UFA, they will be more economical to sign.
The Pats have shown that they will be aggressive in FA and with trades. If you have to think about the team LT, then NEXT year will be a better year to be aggressive, especially after building your core with 2 excellent DEEP drafts (I hope)
If Toys is absolutely correct and we have all these holes to fill, then adding a WR like Boldin or Marshall wouldn't really make that much of a difference to a team with SOOOO many holes, right?
But do we really have all those holes.
TE - He's right on the money here. We definitely need to add a quality TE. This is a good year for TE's There are several to be had starting in round 2, and we will likely have a shot of one of the top 3. OR we mike make a deal for the Denver TE, if we want a guy who is a good receiver.
WR - From what I've read, this is NOT a great draft for WRs, especially at the top end. OTOH there are a lot of guys who look like they could be solid pros that can be had all THROUGH the first 2 rounds and into the 4th (where Brandon Marshall was found btw). I would look at our draft as telling a lot about where BB thinks Edelman and Tate are in their development. If we don't invest a high pick on a WR, then it tells me that both those guys are looking good this season.
OLB - I wouldn't be so fast about thinking that AD is gone. IF, and I mean IF, BB ends up being the de facto DC, then AD might be very happy to stay another year. I am of the opinion that the very nature of how effective ALL offenses have become, defenses are going to HAVE to become more aggressive, more feast or famine like, in their basic philosophies to be effective. If BB agrees with this, then AD could be a very good tool.
CB- YES I WILL say the W words. Wilhite is STILL a CB in progress and like Hobbs before him, might be much better suited to being the nickelback in the slot. Also Wheatley has had his moments when he manages to get on the field. Its is stupid to dismiss them out of hand. Assante Samuel endured the SAME kinds of ridicule in his first 2 years.
RB - I'm sure we'll draft one, but I doubt it will be in the first 2 rounds. Don't forget that the Pats had the 12th best rushing attack in the league last season, DESPITE being a pass first offense. Only 3 of the 11 teams with better running attacks had few attempts per game. So, I'm OK if we go into the season with Moroney, Taylor, and Morris as our top 3 TBs...along with Faulk and some draft pick. Can the running attack be better. SURE, but its not an immediate need THIS year.
DL - I think we will see one of the top 4 picks going to a guy who projects to be a quality starting 3-4 DE in this league. Just like I'm fairly sure that one will be used to get a quality pass rushing OLB/4-3 DE - But Wright isn't a stiff and Pryor showed that he can play, so we DON'T need an immediate starter like some are suggesting.....and there is still the enigma known as Ron Brace still lurking. I'd be interested in hearing about how HIS off season is going. Is he stronger. Is he lighter? Is he even participating? Its been awful quite on the Ron Brace scene, especially since he's a local kid.
And finally don't forget that FA ISN'T over until September. We don't know who will be available in the near and distant future as time goes on. By the time training camp rolls around there will be plenty of veteran "Jabbar Gaffney" types of WR who will be available to fill in there. There will be several run stopping DT and DE around as well.
What there won't be is available pass rushing DL and LBs (unless we make the Haynesworth trade). THAT is a commodity that EVERY team is looking for, so we will just have to be lucky with the draft or a "travis laboy" type FA blossoming. (I hear Vernon Gholston could be had for a song. LOL )
On the BB is an egomaniac out to prove he can duplicate 2001 is ridiculous. I doubt there is a coach in the league who looks to avoid and/or deflects the spotlight more than BB. He is a 'players' coach who runs his team with an iron hand, but he NEVER throws a player under the bus. When things are bad, it's HIS fault, and when they are going well, its the PLAYERS doing. This 'it's all about him' thing is really ludicrous. Just media and fans making it up as they go along.
One of the things I like about Toys is that although I disagree with him more often than not, he is always detailed in his posts and tries to back up his opinion with facts...or more opinion
First a couple of general points.
1. Its APRIL, pre-draft and this team is so far from being complete it isn't even funny. Last year when we added TBC, most of us didn't even react. IMO, I thought he was an excellent addition to special teams, and a no risk signing. NO ONE thought he'd turn into a double digit sacker, with one of the best pressure ratios in the league. Hey, it was TBC we were talking about here. Most posters thought he was camp fodder.
My point is that we DON'T know. We don't even have a clue. BB doesn't "know" either, but he has a much better clue than us. Perhaps he sees Edelman having a similar kind of break out year that Welker experienced when he came to the Pats. Maybe he looks at Chung and sees the next Rodney Harrison in development.
2. I'm on board with the lack of an aggressive FA approach in this year. We just signed a bunch of our own long term. And we STILL have Mankins and Brady to deal with.
Its a lot easier to sign Marshall to a huge WR deal when your QB is making around $2MM/yr. Its another thing to sign him when your QB is going to be making $15-20MM. Two teams in completely different situations
Next year the Jets will have to deal with resigning Revis, D'Brick, Mangold, Holmes, Edwards, and Cromartie (just off the top of my head). ALL of those guys are going to want top 5 contracts....and as we know....it can't be done.
The other key point to remember is that everyone knew that this was going to be a VERY thin FA year, with all those guys having an extra year in RFA. ALL those guys are going to be free NEXT year...and because there will be so many coming into UFA, they will be more economical to sign.
The Pats have shown that they will be aggressive in FA and with trades. If you have to think about the team LT, then NEXT year will be a better year to be aggressive, especially after building your core with 2 excellent DEEP drafts (I hope)
If Toys is absolutely correct and we have all these holes to fill, then adding a WR like Boldin or Marshall wouldn't really make that much of a difference to a team with SOOOO many holes, right?
But do we really have all those holes.
TE - He's right on the money here. We definitely need to add a quality TE. This is a good year for TE's There are several to be had starting in round 2, and we will likely have a shot of one of the top 3. OR we mike make a deal for the Denver TE, if we want a guy who is a good receiver.
WR - From what I've read, this is NOT a great draft for WRs, especially at the top end. OTOH there are a lot of guys who look like they could be solid pros that can be had all THROUGH the first 2 rounds and into the 4th (where Brandon Marshall was found btw). I would look at our draft as telling a lot about where BB thinks Edelman and Tate are in their development. If we don't invest a high pick on a WR, then it tells me that both those guys are looking good this season.
OLB - I wouldn't be so fast about thinking that AD is gone. IF, and I mean IF, BB ends up being the de facto DC, then AD might be very happy to stay another year. I am of the opinion that the very nature of how effective ALL offenses have become, defenses are going to HAVE to become more aggressive, more feast or famine like, in their basic philosophies to be effective. If BB agrees with this, then AD could be a very good tool.
CB- YES I WILL say the W words. Wilhite is STILL a CB in progress and like Hobbs before him, might be much better suited to being the nickelback in the slot. Also Wheatley has had his moments when he manages to get on the field. Its is stupid to dismiss them out of hand. Assante Samuel endured the SAME kinds of ridicule in his first 2 years.
RB - I'm sure we'll draft one, but I doubt it will be in the first 2 rounds. Don't forget that the Pats had the 12th best rushing attack in the league last season, DESPITE being a pass first offense. Only 3 of the 11 teams with better running attacks had few attempts per game. So, I'm OK if we go into the season with Moroney, Taylor, and Morris as our top 3 TBs...along with Faulk and some draft pick. Can the running attack be better. SURE, but its not an immediate need THIS year.
DL - I think we will see one of the top 4 picks going to a guy who projects to be a quality starting 3-4 DE in this league. Just like I'm fairly sure that one will be used to get a quality pass rushing OLB/4-3 DE - But Wright isn't a stiff and Pryor showed that he can play, so we DON'T need an immediate starter like some are suggesting.....and there is still the enigma known as Ron Brace still lurking. I'd be interested in hearing about how HIS off season is going. Is he stronger. Is he lighter? Is he even participating? Its been awful quite on the Ron Brace scene, especially since he's a local kid.
And finally don't forget that FA ISN'T over until September. We don't know who will be available in the near and distant future as time goes on. By the time training camp rolls around there will be plenty of veteran "Jabbar Gaffney" types of WR who will be available to fill in there. There will be several run stopping DT and DE around as well.
What there won't be is available pass rushing DL and LBs (unless we make the Haynesworth trade). THAT is a commodity that EVERY team is looking for, so we will just have to be lucky with the draft or a "travis laboy" type FA blossoming. (I hear Vernon Gholston could be had for a song. LOL )
