Bedard: There was second guessing about Mayo over summer and him getting a second year isn't guaranteed

[Steve102]

They beat a team with an aging disinterested QB and an interim head coach.

And?

 

[archstanton543]

And?

And you can have better talent and still lose if you're poorly coached and have a QB that's about to age out of the league and has no interest in playing on the team he's playing for.

 

[Steve102]

And you can have better talent and still lose if you're poorly coached and have a QB that's about to age out of the league and has no interest in playing on the team he's playing for.

Which I believe is the point that Sign and Tune are making. Can't speak for them, however.

 

[Tunescribe]

They beat a team with an aging disinterested QB and an interim head coach.

And also a much more talented roster. Which is @Steve102 's point.

 

[archstanton543]

And also a much more talented roster. Which is @Steve102 's point.

But the coaching and QB are the bigger factors is my point.

 

[Tunescribe]

But the coaching and QB are the bigger factors is my point.

And if true, it just goes to show that roster "talent" is not the end-all/be-all.

 

[signbabybrady]

But the coaching and QB are the bigger factors is my point.

And what about this statement makes you then think we should tank instead of fighting for every win?

That's what this debate is about.

Festy is mad we hurt our draft position this past Sunday. The rest of us want to see us continue to be competitive and pull out some wins that we can build off going forward.

All Festy wants is the best possible selection next April and doesn't think losing out would negatively impact our rebuild or set us back in anyway.

What are your thoughts?

 

[captain stone]

Let’s keep in mind this is a Jets that fired their HC.

Yep, the Patsies would've lost to Anyone not named the Jete or Panthers.

 

[captain stone]

Not a Bruins fan, are you?

I wrongly ass-umed they were at a football game

 

[Tunescribe]

Yep, the Patsies would've lost to Anyone not named the Jete or Panthers.

"Patsies" has a bad connotation. Even though it arguably applies this season more than others, it's poor fan lingo.

 

[captain stone]

Disgruntled Gillette visitor upset being charged $5 for a Solo cup of tap water

Free towel night at a B's game
Thunder loves free (and discount coaches)

Note: Thunder Jr permanently attached to Thunder Sr.'s hip.
Why are wives and "nieces" never invited to sit with the Thunders?

And where are Bobby's other kids too? I've always found it somewhat odd that they are very rarely seen up there...

 

[captain stone]

Very impressed that Mayo got the team to keep fighting when the season seemed lost. I absolutely did not think he had it in him. I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt & see how this plays out.

I’m beginning to see AVP, McAdoo and the offensive staff as an asset. Maye seems to be getting good coaching and getting that OL to play at the level we saw on Sunday indicates someone over there knows WTF they are doing.

Those folks are starting to look good only because our defense & its Co-ordinator are such a hot, steamy mess.

 

[TheRainMaker]

That's how that 2001 team was built. But you knew that already.

Aside from their draft position, the Pats didn’t go out and get any high profile FA’s.

Name the 10 best players on that 2001 Patriots team as it's almost certain that they were all taken in the first three rounds.

Seymour, McGinnest and Bledsoe were all top 6 picks.

Milloy, law, Johnson and light and bruschi all in the top 3 rounds.

But ya man. The team was all waiver wire.

These veterans were all coming off two consecutive bad seasons and the the outlook wasn’t looking good for them. Bill brought over a lot of his guys from NY to help build the culture. With that said, the roster overall was among the worst in the league.

Not to mention Kevin faulk , Adrian klem, tebucky Jones and even Terry Glenn. The team was low key stacked with home grown top round talent and highly disrespected.

As a fan of the Patriots you probably shouldn't contribute to the fact that they were just peons.

Kevin Faulk was terrible until Bill realized Faulk had to be a rotational back at best to be the most effective.

I have no idea why Adrian Klemm and Tebucky are also included in the stacked list. They were also terrible. Bill got the most use out of Jones putting him at S.

Lumping Terry Glenn with the guys above is an insult to Glenn.

 

[captain stone]

Interesting.

So you're saying having a top 5 pick in each of 2020-23 when they were minus Mac rookie season doesn't put us in a position now where we have a better roster?

How about not being in a position where we're picking 15 overall coming out of a pandemic in a reset year winning useless games with cam newton?

So doing what you want us to do this year in 2020 didn't help us in the long run did it?

Winning 6, 7 or 8 games in a non competitive season only worsens us in the long run. Now is the time to bottom out. Not next year. Not 2026. It's now.

But sure. Let's win 6 games and pick 12th overall cause it builds a winning culture.

Bingo.

If Billy really, truly cared about the Best Interests of the T-E-A-M, then he NEVER would've signed Scam Newton and instead should've rolled with Stiddy & Hoyer at QB; traded Gilly & any other vets who wanted One More Shot at a ring before the deadline; and played as many of the rookie-contract kids as possible.

But Billy had visions of Papa Bear in his head, as well as those of the Hated Shula...

 

[signbabybrady]

Those folks are starting to look good only because our defense & its Co-ordinator are such a hot, steamy mess.

What are trying to say with the hyphen?

 

[festy1986]

Aside from their draft position, the Pats didn’t go out and get any high profile FA’s.

These veterans were all coming off two consecutive bad seasons and the the outlook wasn’t looking good for them. Bill brought over a lot of his guys from NY to help build the culture. With that said, the roster overall was among the worst in the league.

Kevin Faulk was terrible until Bill realized Faulk had to be a rotational back at best to be the most effective.

I have no idea why Adrian Klemm and Tebucky are also included in the stacked list. They were also terrible. Bill got the most use out of Jones putting him at S.

Lumping Terry Glenn with the guys above is an insult to Glenn.

The point went way over your head. These were contributing members to the team who were drafted high.

Also, saying the Patriots bottomed out in the two years before 2001 is exactly the point I was making.

I'm picking at the top of the round and not the middle of the round when staring down a two and six season with five more losses on the schedule that are almost a certainty at this point.

That 2001 team was LOADED if you compare it to the 2024 team. That's how far away we are from competing and it won't be accomplished even in the next two years.

 

[The Gr8est]

Never bottom out. You're just asking to be the Jets or something. Name the last team to win a SB via this bottom out in multiple year philosophy?

2001 was a year where we could have tanked after Bledsoe went down and we had a losing record when they inserted a 6th round pick at QB.

Even if we had fallen short of the SB, do people think we would have been better off with a high draft pick, rather than the winning culture that the Pats established?

 

[sb1]

Bingo.

If Billy really, truly cared about the Best Interests of the T-E-A-M, then he NEVER would've signed Scam Newton and instead should've rolled with Stiddy & Hoyer at QB; traded Gilly & any other vets who wanted One More Shot at a ring before the deadline; and played as many of the rookie-contract kids as possible.

But Billy had visions of Papa Bear in his head, as well as those of the Hated Shula...

That was the right time to blow it up. Nobody was attending games, it wouldn't have been that painful of a season and I have no doubt fans would have accepted it.

 

[XLIX]

What are your thoughts?

I tell you one thing... while I have repeatedly stated there is no one single surefire strategy to guarantee success, I sure wish NE lost an extra game last year.... then we'd have Jayden Daniels instead of Washington, who has gone from 5-12 to 6-2 overnight. Bottoming out seems to have worked well for them.

 

[The Gr8est]

I tell you one thing... while I have repeatedly stated there is no one single surefire strategy to guarantee success, I sure wish NE lost an extra game last year.... then we'd have Jayden Daniels instead of Washington, who has gone from 5-12 to 6-2 overnight. Bottoming out seems to have worked well for them.

Washington’s success is because of more than just Daniels.

I’ll take Maye, thank you very much.