BB THE GOAT

[Ring 6]

@Ring 6 @All3Phases
Just a suggestion, but maybe you both should either stop communicating with each other or try to identify the many things that you agree on that you are not seeing.
I know it is hard to have these public spats, but I wish you two the best and hope you get through this tough patch in your relationship.

She isn’t communicating honestly. I have no interest in communicating with her.
I just have a hard time leaving bs posts unanswered.

 

[Ring 6]

Again, you’ve now moved your logic, and I asked why we don’t do that with players, such as Peyton. Peyton is one of the greatest quarterbacks ever, would he be the best 1-3 qbs in the league if stepped on the field today?

I’m guessing he wouldn’t be, but that would go against your logic

I have not moved my logic at all. This is why you are such a troll. It’s my point of view and you are trying to tell me you know my point of view and I don’t.

Evaluating a coach has nothing to do with a retried QB. You might as well be argue that guacamole goes bad in the heat.

 

[All3Phases]

I have not moved my logic at all. This is why you are such a troll. It’s my point of view and you are trying to tell me you know my point of view and I don’t.

I haven’t said you were wrong one time in this thread, have you noticed that? I’m the one trying to have a discussion and you refuse…but will respond as if you’re better than

Evaluating a coach has nothing to do with a retried QB. You might as well be argue that guacamole goes bad in the heat.

Yes, because you realize it goes against your logic. We can stick to coaches though, in 2004 Joe Gibbs was the best coach in the league, correct?

The past doesn’t equal the present, age doesn’t just affect players, unless you want to deny that being 70 is the same thing as being 50?

 

[Ring 6]

I haven’t said you were wrong one time in this thread, have you noticed that? I’m the one trying to have a discussion and you refuse…but will respond as if you’re better than

Yes, because you realize it goes against your logic. We can stick to coaches though, in 2004 Joe Gibbs was the best coach in the league, correct?

The past doesn’t equal the present, age doesn’t just affect players, unless you want to deny that being 70 is the same thing as being 50?

Belichick is the same coach today that he has been his entire career.
He was probably the best active coach in 2004 as well after winning 3 SBs in 4 seasons. Gibbs would have likely been the next best active coach at the time.

 

[All3Phases]

Belichick is the same coach today that he has been his entire career.

I wonder how many people agree with this…again which leads me back to my original point Ring. Why does his coaching ability results solely on the caliber of the quarterback? You know, based on winning…if his ability doesn’t change?

At least we do agree in 2004, joe Gibbs was a better coach than BB! We got somewhere

 

[Ring 6]

I wonder how many people agree with this…again which leads me back to my original point Ring. Why does his coaching ability results solely on the caliber of the quarterback? You know, based on winning…if his ability doesn’t change?

At least we do agree in 2004, joe Gibbs was a better coach than BB! We got somewhere

As I have stated many many times this thread is about the GOAT coach.
There are 100s maybe thousands of factors that contribute to the success of any season. That topic would be voluminous. If that’s something you wish to discuss then start a thread and perhaps I may participate.

Your reading comprehension is not good. I said belichick was probably the best coach active in 2004, not Gibbs.

 

[ralmat55]

This whole tread is a complete documentation of unswayed opinions and beliefs.

At the end of the day you either believe BB is the greatest HC & GM of all-time or you don't.

No. You can believe that in his prime Belichick was the Greatest and also believe that he’s no longer in his prime thus no longer functioning as the greatest. Growing old is a real thing despite how some like to fool themselves that it isn’t.

One of the biggest obstacles to sound logical thought is the fallacy that things remain constant. They don’t. What was might no longer be. Facts are constantly changing, and an open mind allows one to see the changes. There are too many closed minds here.

 

[All3Phases]

As I have stated many many times this thread is about the GOAT coach.
There are 100s maybe thousands of factors that contribute to the success of any season. That topic would be voluminous. If that’s something you wish to discuss then start a thread and perhaps I may participate.

Countering somebody’s opinion with another opinion on a forum is not wanted apparently

Your reading comprehension is not good. I said belichick was probably the best coach active in 2004, not Gibbs.

No, I very much read it well. How was BB the better active coach in 04? Gibbs was also active and he won more by the start of 04, results based opinion. There’s a reason you moved it to after the 04 season.

 

[Ring 6]

Countering somebody’s opinion with another opinion on a forum is not wanted apparently

No, I very much read it well. How was BB the better active coach in 04? Gibbs was also active and he won more by the start of 04, results based opinion

You are not countering an opinion, you are introducing an entirely different topic. But you know that
Belichick won his 3rd in 4 years in 2004.

But I’m done. This is exactly the type of discussion that ruins threads. Accept or don’t accept my opinion. I seriously do not care. Your postings have led me to conclude that your level of knowledge and understanding of the game makes you someone whose opinion I place little value in. Your understanding of this topic is poor and discussing it with you simply a waste of time and your style of posting is disingenuous.
As it is painfully clear you cannot possibly go without having the last word, I will not respond to your inevitable reply.

 

[All3Phases]

You are not countering an opinion, you are introducing an entirely different topic. But you know that
Belichick won his 3rd in 4 years in 2004.

After 2004 Gibbs had 3 rings and more wins than Bill. So again, using YOUR logic, Gibbs was actually a better coach for a while. Funny how that works huh?

But I’m done. This is exactly the type of discussion that ruins threads

I joined this thread at approx 30 pages, claiming I derailed this thread is laughable

. Accept or don’t accept my opinion.

I very much accept, I again haven’t told you that you were wrong, I’m countering it with different points. You’re crying about attempted discussion

 

[RobertWeathers]

No. You can believe that in his prime Belichick was the Greatest and also believe that he’s no longer in his prime thus no longer functioning as the greatest. Growing old is a real thing despite how some like to fool themselves that it isn’t.

Agree but it depends on what you want to use as a standard of measurement and the context of the question.

For example, Michael Jordan with the Wizards was no longer the best player in the NBA but he was still the GOAT because of his accomplishments. With the Wizards was he still doing GOAT-type things? Sure but not like he did in 1998.

I wouldn't disagree if someone said Bill is currently not the best coach in the NFL.

One of the biggest obstacles to sound logical thought is the fallacy that things remain constant. They don’t. What was might no longer be. Facts are constantly changing, and an open mind allows one to see the changes. There are too many closed minds here.

Word.

 

[All3Phases]

Agree but it depends on what you want to use as a standard of measurement and the context of the question.

For example, Michael Jordan with the Wizards was not longer the best player in the NBA but he was still the GOAT because of his accomplishments. With the Wizards was he still doing GOAT-type things? Sure but not like he did in 1998.

This logic doesn’t apply to players, Ring already told us

But I agree with you and Kenneth

 

[All3Phases]

No. You can believe that in his prime Belichick was the Greatest and also believe that he’s no longer in his prime thus no longer functioning as the greatest. Growing old is a real thing despite how some like to fool themselves that it isn’t.

One of the biggest obstacles to sound logical thought is the fallacy that things remain constant. They don’t. What was might no longer be. Facts are constantly changing, and an open mind allows one to see the changes. There are too many closed minds here.

Great post

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

I have not moved my logic at all. This is why you are such a troll. It’s my point of view and you are trying to tell me you know my point of view and I don’t.

LOL you have moved your logic in this thread by saying parcels stats are mediocre but Belicjixk without Brady is much worse and you would never say this 10 years were mediocre
You use your logic like you want it to use



Evaluating a coach has nothing to do with a retried QB. You might as well be argue that guacamole goes bad in the heat.

 

[Ring 6]

LOL you have moved your logic in this thread by saying parcels stats are mediocre but Belicjixk without Brady is much worse and you would never say this 10 years were mediocre
You use your logic like you want it to use



Evaluating a coach has nothing to do with a retried QB. You might as well be argue that guacamole goes bad in the heat.

No. What I have said is that Parcells entire career is not close to consideration as GOAT because he won 2 Sbs and also pointed out IN RESPONSE TO A CLAIM HE REBUILT 3 OTHER FRANCHISES that his results post NYG were mediocre.
I made no comment about belichick with or without a specific player or groups of players because it’s a silly argument and I am judging GOAT by the entirety of their career.

Your last statement would be correct but I think you stole it from me

 

[TheRainMaker]

I'm looking forward to March 15th.

 

[All3Phases]

Then he got the head coach fired and won 8 games... it's funny how team sports work.

he went 37-19 with a Super Bowl MVP in his age 43-45 years with the worst franchise in the league. Your argument here isn’t strong

 

[Noexcusesfornumber5]

Patriot fans are denigrating BB. Who's next? Aurbach? Bird, Russell? Orr? My question is, you're not only not right, but if you're a Pats fan, why do you think being an ******* about it makes any sense? Why would you prove yourself to be against the Pats. Do you want everyone to hate the team the way you do? You will never be right. Ever. If you can't appreciate what they did together, and would rather tear it it down in favor of one, then you will never be considered a Patriot fan in many people s eyes.

 

[Calhoun44]

Patriot fans are denigrating BB. Who's next? Aurbach? Bird, Russell? Orr? My question is, you're not only not right, but if you're a Pats fan, why do you think being an ******* about it makes any sense? Why would you prove yourself to be against the Pats. Do you want everyone to hate the team the way you do? You will never be right. Ever. If you can't appreciate what they did together, and would rather tear it it down in favor of one, then you will never be considered a Patriot fan in many people s eyes.

It's kinda like saying you are a fan of Black Sabbath and you might think Ozzy is the reason why they are great, while I think Geezer Butler was the driving force and yet others might think Tony Iommi or Bill 'the Animal" Ward were the reason they are the greatest band of all time. Fine, have your preference, but don't you fcuking ever denigrate the others when doing so, because without either of them there is no GOAT rock band named Black Sabbath. LFG!!!

 

[Wozzy]

he went 37-19 with a Super Bowl MVP in his age 43-45 years with the worst franchise in the league. Your argument here isn’t strong

Brady clearly can’t win without a franchise caliber coach.

I made a mature decision to stop debating with your childish BS days ago. Yet here you are picking up the conversation again anyway. You love to argue.

It would be worth the effort if you were willing to listen to opposing viewpoints, but you stick to your garbage QB’s are super heroes fanboy nonsense and blather on.

You have stamina and the ability to ignore facts… it’s about the nicest thing I can say. I’d suggest moving onto someone who wants to argue “dumb,” otherwise I’ll just become insulting.