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I think BB frankly can say whatever he wants. It's his opinion, and not necessarily fact. He was obviously dejected, and clearly didn't feel like speaking to the press after the game. I can understand his frustration.

But as a Denver native and Broncos fan, I think it's off-base to think that the Pats are / were / will be the better team.

1) Four of the 5 TO's were forced. Granted, Brady's last INT was a desperation heave, and not really important. But the Broncos FORCED 3 TO's. To think that they were "gifts" understates the quality of play that forced them. While the two fumbles weren't hard hits, they were good plays made by one of the best Defenses in the NFL. The punter's hit was textbook, and didn't have to be hard because he knocked the ball out with his helmet. Champ's INT was pre-planned. The Pats had been running that pick move all night, and Champ intentionally switched to the outside receiver. And don't forget - Brady was under immediate pressure to throw it from the corner blitz. If he doesn't throw that ball, he gets sacked or he throws it out of the endzone, and the Pats have to settle for 3 pts, which wouldn't have been enough to win the game (even taking away the 7 pts Denver scored as a result). It was a great play call, and a great adjustment by Champ(despite the fact that he deserved that shot on the 2 yd line for walking in).

2) If you believe that the Pats would beat the Broncos 7 or 8 times out of 10, then you have to believe that the Pats would win 8 in a row against the Broncos or 7 of the next 8, since the Broncos won both meetings this year. There is absolutely nothing that tells me that's possible, let alone plausible, given the Pat's record. Granted, they were much improved at the end of the year with injured players coming back, but the Broncos were also a much better team - Plummer was much better after their first few losses in the early part of the season, throwing very few INT's and a number of TD's.

3) When people look at stats and argue that the Pats put up 2x the number of yards vs Denver, that's inconsequential. The Broncos D got the stops when they needed them. The single touchdown for the Pats was an end of game clean-up variety. The Broncos kept the Pats out of the endzone for all practical purposes. And that type of "bend, don't' break" defense is Denver's hallmark. They ranked 3rd in pts against, but ranked 15 in yards allowed / game. In addition, the Broncos had much better field position the entire game, which automatically means that they won't have as many offensive yards.

4) During the regular season, the Broncos were statistically the better team in every category, both offense and defense - with the exception of offensive passing yds / game.

5) The comments about the officiating being poor are fair, but the end result I doubt would have been different. The PI call was pretty bogus. But that doesn't mean the Broncos can't get atleast some points from that drive. They were already in Elam's range. So that's maybe a 4pt difference, but could have been zero if the Broncos had continued to drive the ball. The ensuing field goal that barely cleared was a muffed kick. Elam's range is 60 yards (he's got a 63 yarder to his credit) and in the "thin air" he most likely would have hit the retry much better. So you can argue that those calls were bad, but the result would not be 0 points.

In the end, the Broncos played better because they are better. The only support for the argument that the Pats didn't play as well as they could have is Brady - he was uncharacteristically inaccurate at points during the game. Perhaps he was rushed, or felt pressured, but he should have completed a number of passes that were really poorly thrown.

I know it's hard to admit. It sucked when Elway retired and the Broncos sucked so badly. They were getting beat by mediocre teams. But when a better team survives and advances, it's not luck or gifts. It's probability.
 
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Schuey said:
But when a better team survives and advances, it's not luck or gifts. It's probability.

It was a gift. Say thank you. Bub bye.
 
Schuey said:
But when a better team survives and advances, it's not luck or gifts. It's probability.

No need to apologize for the fact the Broncos won the game. Good points though on the FORCED TOs!!!


These hallucingenic Pats fans can think they are the better team. A 14 point loss says otherwise.
 
It's not just Patriots fans though...

The common perception coming out of that game was that the Patriots were much more impressive in defeat than the Broncos were in victory.

EVERYONE knows that the Patriots are the leagues best team. I've got a friend who's a Steelers fan and he made the point that this year's Super Bowls is really just a tournament to find out who the league's second best team really is.

Whoever wins it this year will be nothing more than a one year wonder. The Patriots will return to their dominating selves next season. I can guarantee that.
 
Bronco Freak said:
No need to apologize for the fact the Broncos won the game. Good points though on the FORCED TOs!!!


These hallucingenic Pats fans can think they are the better team. A 14 point loss says otherwise.

You guys need to move on. You can believe what you want to believe, and so can we. If the Broncos win this next week and it isn't because the Steelers giving them the game, I will be shocked. The only thing the Broncos did better than the Patriots was hold onto the ball, and get some choice officiating. We would have to be complete morons to think otherwise. Now time to move on. :bricks:
 
Pyper - your friend is making that statement about the Superbowl because the Colts are out, not because the Pats are out. And he/she obviously didn't watch too many NFC games, because the Seahawks, with the same 13-3 record as the Broncos and good enough for the second best record in the league, are still in it. By that logic, we should just have the #1 teams in each conference automatically play on Superbowl Sunday. But that would mean the Pats wouldn't have last year's Title, or 2001's title. If the best teams played for the superbowl, there would be no "dynasty".

The Patriots were not the best team in the conference, let alone the league. How can a team with a 10-6 record, who, if they hadn't clinched their division, would have been lucky to get a wildcard slot (Tie-breaker vs KC) be the best team in the league?

And for all of the chatter about the officiating; it's completely without merit. I'm not saying it was a quality game from that standpoint. But, to benefit from one of the worst calls in Playoff history against the Ray-duh's and then turn around and cry when something similar happens to the Pats is hypocritical. It's nice to see some luck come the Broncos way in the playoffs for once.

Colsthater - I actually share two viewpoints with you. 1) I can't stand the Colts. I think Peyton is one of the most arrogant players we've seen in awhile. It's always refreshing to see a humble team like the Pats hand them a loss in the Playoffs. 2) I will move on - into the Conference Championship.
 
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Willie55 said:
Would've, could've, should've. It is what it is. The Broncos won and the Pats didn't.

Correctamundo. Pats vs Colts in the SHOULD HAVE BOWL.
 
As pointed out before and by some commentators, the bogus P.I. call had a great effect on the game. Given that the Broncos were not moving the ball any significant distance, the result of the drive might have been a successful field goal but given the missed false start on the Broncos field goal, that is a big IF for 3 points. Considering the short amount of time available, the FG drive would have used up most if not all of the clock, so there would not been enough time to move the second fumble close enough for another FG try.

With the game tied and the Broncos not moving the ball, there is no reason for Brady to force the fateful interception because a field goal would put us in the lead at 6 to 3. The complexion of the game would have been very different with the Pats in the lead after three quarters. I think Plummer would have tried to force the ball since the Broncos hadn't moved the ball very much on the ground at the three quarters mark.

So one very bad officiating call really changed the whole game. It gave the Broncos 7 points, the lead, and more time on the clock for the second fumble for another 3 points.
 
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IpaqMan said:
As pointed out before and by some commentators, the bogus P.I. call had a great effect on the game. Given that the Broncos were not moving the ball any significant distance, the result of the drive might have been a successful field goal but given the missed false start on the Broncos field goal, that is a big IF for 3 points. Considering the short amount of time available, the FG drive would have used up most if not all of the clock, so there would not been enough time to move the second fumble close enough for another FG try.

With the game tied and the Broncos not moving the ball, there is no reason for Brady to force the fateful interception because a field goal would put us in the lead at 6 to 3. The complexion of the game would have been very different with the Pats in the lead after three quarters. I think Plummer would have tried to force the ball since the Broncos hadn't moved the ball very much on the ground at the three quarters mark.

So one very bad officiating call really changed the whole game.

Geez, I'm slow. The PI happened with roughly 34 minutes left in the game.

So, St. Thomas forced the ball because he needed a touchdown. A FG at that point would have made it 10-9, with the whole fourth quarter to go.

This is a unique spin.
 
Tony Collins said:
Geez, I'm slow. The PI happened with roughly 34 minutes left in the game.

So, St. Thomas forced the ball because he needed a touchdown. A FG at that point would have made it 10-9, with the whole fourth quarter to go.

This is a unique spin.
Brady does not normally make that throw. That is a situation based decision. You do not force throws when you have the lead or a tie especially when your defense has been stuffing the opposition. See the Titans - Pats playoff game.
 
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Unique is a kind euphemism.
I think the real reason for the Pats defeat was that Brady ate Frosted Flakes cereal that morning. It set off a chain of unexpeceted but quite predictable events. Damn you Tony the Tiger!!!!!!
 
Schuey said:
The Patriots were not the best team in the conference, let alone the league. How can a team with a 10-6 record, who, if they hadn't clinched their division, would have been lucky to get a wildcard slot (Tie-breaker vs KC) be the best team in the league?


You're confusing best record with best team. They're often not the same.

The late season Patriots were a much different team than the early season Patriots.

We were peaking at the right time and "RIGHT NOW" we were best team in the league.

Unfortunately our own mistakes combined with some disastrous officiating conspired to end our season early.

Eliminate our mistakes and the blown calls and we win that game by 30.

Eliminate only the blown calls we still win that game by 10.

Oh well, it doesn't matter. It is what it is and for the Patriots its over. At least for now.

Enjoy your win. The story would have been much better if the Patriots were allowed to compete on a level playing field but sometimes the breaks just don't go your way. You've got nothing to appologize for.

Thats it from me. I'm through with this discussion.
 
PYPER said:
Enjoy your win. The story would have been much better if the Patriots were allowed to compete on a level playing field but sometimes the breaks just don't go your way. You've got nothing to appologize for.

Thats it from me. I'm through with this discussion.
Agreed. The Broncos did their part and won. Unfortunately, the Pats were handicapped by a bad call. It would have been easier for us Pats fans to accept a game won by a dominant Bronco team.
 
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