Banks: Jets look like they're going for it all in 2009

[Rob0729]

I don't expect Sanchez to come out and breath fire,He just needs to be a managable QB and not one to try and win games on his own - He will,like all rookies struggle.

I think in Ryans first year as coach he wants to develop his defense into a very formidable one and work on the offense shortly after and I think thier offense will struggle at times - Still thinking that the Jets could earn 10 wins is not being too crazy unless Sanchez turns out to be a total shmuck as a rookie.

I think Ryan's success was because he had the best RB in the NFL last year to back him up and Flacco was successful because he had the best defense backing him up. Sanchez has neither.

I don't think the Jets will win 10 wins with there schedule. I know Ryan wants to turn the defense around quickly, but that may not happen overnight and most likely won't be anywhere near as good as the Ravens defense last year. The Jets' defense was average last year and their pass defense was horrible. They have no DEs really suited for the 3-4 and traded away one of their starters. David Harris had a down year last year and it could be that his rookie season was a fluke. Bart Scott needs to prove himself that he wasn't a product of the talent around him. Neither Calvin Pace nor Bryan Thomas have been dominant pass rushers that what makes the Ravens' defense so special. I know the world thinks he is going to perform a miracle on Vernon Gholston, but I rather doubt it. Kris Jenkins proved again last year that he just can't play at a high level for 16 games. Lito Sheppard dropped to fourth on the depth chart in Philly and now asked to start in NY. Kerry Rhodes has been non-existent since he got his new deal.

I think the Jets' defense has a way to go before it is good enough just to ask the QB to manage the game last year. If Favre just did that last year, the Jets probably would have won 6 or 7 games. Favre didn't have a good year and contributed to a lot of the losses, but he did win a few games for the Jets including the Pats' game. No way could the Jets win against the Pats this upcoming season (assuming Brady is back to atleast 90%) with Sanchez just managing the game.

BTW, who is Sanchez going to throw to. By my count, he has one legitimate WR who is best suited as a #2 WR rather than a #1. Keller is a decent enough TE and Washington can catch some balls as a RB, but is that really enough to allow a first year QB to just manage the game?

 

[PatsBoy12]

The Jets first 4 games are against Houston, New England, Tennessee and New Orleans. They could easily be 0-4 and already all but finished.

I respect your opinion, as I do everybody's, but did you see our first half of the season, particularly 9/27-10/18, is no walk in the park.

 

[MarvLevy]

Playing in LA with all blue chippers, in a perfect offensive system, in perfect weather is gonna be a lot different than playing in New Jersey in December.

I actually laughed out loud when the Jets did this. Sanchez couldn't even beat out Booty in an open competition and based on the last USC QBs (who both had better college careers) to be drafted, Leinart and Booty, I'm not worried.

 

[Synovia]

I think Ryan's success was because he had the best RB in the NFL last year to back him up and Flacco was successful because he had the best defense backing him up. Sanchez has neither.

The best RB in the NFL? What in the hell? You play too much fantasy football.


Turner had a DVOA of 4%. Good for 19th among qualifying backs... He just got a TON of carries. Williams from Carolina had just slightly less yards, and more TDs, on 100 LESS CARRIES. Running backs with 370+ carries in a year don't tend to hold up all that well.


Thomas Jones had a DVOA of 11.7%. Leon Washington, the other RB that Sanchez will have, had a DVOA of 23.7%.

 

[Kontradiction]

Banks needs to give me some of what he's smoking. Going for it all? By mortgaging their immediate future for a QB who already has had issues with his knee and, as Marv said, couldn't even beat out the likes of John David Booty for the starter job at USC?

 

[Leave No Doubt]

I thought the Jests had a good draft. It's the "going for it all" that made me Not saying that isn't their goal,jussayin good luck with that.

Sanchez said yesterday that he intends to go to Jetsville and tell them he 's here to start. Personally I hope he does

I think the Jets improved themselves this weekend but I also think Sanchez will get eaten alive

Buffalo did well this w/e too.

 

[PatsDparty]

Banks needs to give me some of what he's smoking. Going for it all? By mortgaging their immediate future for a QB who already has had issues with his knee and, as Marv said, couldn't even beat out the likes of John David Booty for the starter job at USC?

I don't think the Jets gave up much (except for money, so if you're talking about mortgaging from a cap POV, I see your point).

Matt Cassel couldn't beat out Leinart (even though it was close), so I wouldn't put too much into that. As bad as Booty was, Carroll may have had an issue with putting Sanchez in b/c of his age at that time (this is my guess, I don't follow USC that closely to know how long Palmer was a starter for, or how old his QBs are when he puts them usually)

 

[SunnyDenmark]

my 2 cents...Re: Sanchez & Jests going 'all in'

As other poster very well put it - going 'all in' would have been more appropriate for getting Cutler. Sanchez could very well start - considering the level of QB competition he will face. But we know how rookie QB's typically fare. Luckily he will have a good OL to protect him. But still the questions are:

1) Does he have the arm strength for those weather /wind conditions at that stadium?

2) Can he handle the pressure of NFL and NY media. I know many already thing he can - but USC played from ahead most games so what pressure is that -and with UCS's defense...(which conveniently segways into...

3) Jets Defense. Yes I think it will be improving - but they have to adapt and learn a new scheme. Plus they don't have anywhere close to the talent level of Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Terrel Suggs, Nagiota, etc. We hear all the time about these hot shot 'defensive genius' coaches (Marvin Lewis, Mike Noland, etc. ) and when they leave the team with the talent - that is it. THe genius of BB is knowing how to get the talent to match the scheme. Ryan has had only one offseason and limited cap space to do this.

3) which brings us to the Jets recent drafts.
2009: 3 players
2008: 6 players
2007: 4 players

Where is the team building /developing & molding players for the future? Oh, right - they all were traded or FA to Cleveland along with Mangina. Jets are paper thin on depth and when injuries and the wearing down of vets occur in Nov / Dec - the Jests will fold like a cheap paper plate.

4) "Jests got a steal in Sanchez and gave up very little" say all the national 'talking heads'- except
a) some of that depth in point 3. They sent (lost) 3 players to CLE as part of the draft pick deal and drafted 3 players in the draft. Net sum gain = 0

b) took on a 5th pick rookie contract instead of a 17th pick contract.
2008
5. Glenn Dorsey, Kansas City Chiefs - 5 years, $51 million ($23 million guaranteed) VS.
17. Gosder Cherilus - Detroit Lions - 5 years, $15 million ($8.9 million guaranteed)

Plus as he is a starter QB and has all the leverage - you can expect close to pick 3 (last year) Matt Ryan dollars which was:
3. Matt Ryan, Atlanta Falcons - 6 years, $72 million ($34 million guaranteed)

which leads to..
5) Having alot of $$$ tied up in high draft picks Gholston and now Sanchez. Not too mention the big FA draft spree 1 year ago with big contracts to Fanaca, Calvin Pace, our old friend Damon Woody, etc.
Jests are becoming the Colts of the AFC East with having a very top heavy (capwise) team with little depth. At least the Colts usually draft well.

I don't like this move for the Jets - I LOVE it. They had a decent STARTING QB 2 years ago in Pennington - threw him under the bus -because he has a weak arm (does Sanchez have a rocket arm? - No!). Then not walked but ran to be close to his lordship Sir Favre. And there was great rejoicing- Yeah! Ooops - we forgot to watch tape of him the last 3 years.

Now have to gamble it all on one roll of the craps dice to hopefully come up lucky '7' on the new one year boywonder from Southern Cal - or they are screwed. (in a very weak 2009 QB class no less)

Oh and I almost forgot the best- who is this California BoyWonder going to throw the ball to ? Jests must be California Dreamin because they forgot to check the depth chart before the draft.

Tannenbaum is desperate and instead of team building is just trying to get some big spash player to sell the expensive PSL for the stadium. It is all or nothing for the franchaise for the next 3-4 years for this 'great' move in trading up.

And I know as a Pats fan - I am sure the Patriot players (Seymore, AD, ) are just waiting to give Sanchez a nice big warm welcome to the NFL Sept 20. :singing:

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Hmmmm

Patriots- Tom Brady new QB
Jets- Mark Sanchez new QB

Maybe the "new and improved" Jets defense will limit TB to 40 points.

 

[Synovia]

Matt Cassel couldn't beat out Leinart (even though it was close), so I wouldn't put too much into that.

Leinart, despite his mediocre play to this point, is still an adequate starter. Booty, OTOH, probably will be out of the NFL in 2 years.

 

[K-Ro 25]

Leinart, despite his mediocre play to this point, is still an adequate starter. Booty, OTOH, probably will be out of the NFL in 2 years.

based off what?