Are people ACTUALLY worried about the O?

[captain stone]

Seriously. The D has exceeded early expectations. Considering all the losses (especially Seymour and Mayo, who had once been counted on), I'm not losing sleep over the D.

I'm pretty sure that the offense will find it's groove. Edelman for 98 ? Wacko. Let's be thankful it's early. The only thing that is frustrating is the loss was inside the AFCE... conference losses cost this team last year.

I'm def. worried about the offense. It looks stale, predictable, unimaginitive and uninspiring. The abandonment of the running game is a disgrace to the human race. And what the **** happened to Chris Baker the (preseason) TD maker?

Oh, and you better start worrying about the defense, too. Next week, they won't be facing a rookie QB making only his 2nd-ever start, or the thoroughly mediocre Buffalo Billiards, either.

 

[mayoclinic]

I'm def. worried about the offense. It looks stale, predictable, unimaginitive and uninspiring. The abandonment of the running game is a disgrace to the human race. And what the **** happened to Chris Baker the (preseason) TD maker?

Oh, and you better start worrying about the defense, too. Next week, they won't be facing a rookie QB making only his 2nd-ever start, or the thoroughly mediocre Buffalo Billiards, either.

It's interesting how many people are yelling foul about the "abandonment of the running game", when all summer people on this board have been arguing against the need for a balanced offense, assuming that we would have a replay of 2007 with an aerial circus.

 

[LeonPowe]

Tom Brady throwing it 500 billion times this season is what worries me

 

[vandergraafgenerator]

Why should I be worried, yesterday we just sucked at everything except field goal kicking. We just came second. Brady was poor,wicked poor.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

The only thing to worry about, is how much time it will take for the offense to get their mojo working again. Its a question of when, not if.

My concern since TC, has always been the defense.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Yeah I'm worried about the O.
Tom Brady is out of synch.
Matt this guy really made a pro bowl once? Light is going to get Tom Brady killed.
Other than Wes Welker none of their wideouts are tough and fight through defensive pressure.
Joey Galloway - bust!
They can't utilize their TE's in the passing game as much as they would like because they must stay in to shore up the hole that is Matt Light.
They don't use the run with any type of consistency despite having a proven top flight back in Fred Taylor.
The playcalling is highly suspect.
There is no genuine offensive coordinator.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

Ye
Matt this guy really made a pro bowl once? Light is going to get Tom Brady killed.
They can't utilize their TE's in the passing game as much as they would like because they must stay in to shore up the hole that is Matt Light..

Im gonna go out on a limb here, and say that you don't like Matt Light

 

[mayoclinic]

Tom Brady throwing it 500 billion times this season is what worries me

Gee, just a few days ago a lot of people on this site were quite happy with TB leading the NFL in both passing attempts and yardage:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...leads-nfl-passing-yards-after-one-game.html

See posts 4 and 7 for the view that this was a bad thing, and the response in posts 8-10.

 

[vandergraafgenerator]

Yeah I'm worried about the O.
Tom Brady is out of synch.
Matt this guy really made a pro bowl once? Light is going to get Tom Brady killed.
Other than Wes Welker none of their wideouts are tough and fight through defensive pressure.
Joey Galloway - bust!
They can't utilize their TE's in the passing game as much as they would like because they must stay in to shore up the hole that is Matt Light.
They don't use the run with any type of consistency despite having a proven top flight back in Fred Taylor.
The playcalling is highly suspect.
There is no genuine offensive coordinator.

That bad huh, and there was me thinking we just had a bad day.

 

[condon84]

I'm more bothered by Tom's mental aspect. His awareness was off yesterday. Two delay of the game penalties on a critical drive in the fourth quarter? Inexcusable.

The last play on offense epitomized the game yesterday:

Play clock winding down and Tom was clueless of the play clock. Faulk had to yell at him to get his sh!t together. Then Brady dropped back, offense wasn't ready, read something that wasn't there, bad throw, ballgame. That was the last play of the game? If his name wasn't Brady, we'd be killing this guy.

 

[Bella*chick]

Tom Brady's rust issues would bother me a lot more if there wasn't an obvious reason for them. But there is. So he's not playing well and it sucks, but it's not like I'm tearing my hair out wondering why.

 

[PatsfanGlo]

If this was game 6, I would be concerned. Against a team running a same defense that probably gave us most trouble(besides SB game) in 2007, when our offense was firing on all cylinders and with QB who just came back after sitting out year with serious injury, missing crucial slot receiver and having another wideout that is completely new to this system.....yea I don't see how we couldn't have scored 50 on Jets.

 

[Rob0729]

I am concerned about the offense. I am not pressing the panic button yet, but it is concerning how bad this offense is being run at this moment.

Teams smell blood in the water and they are going to come after Brady more and more. If he is continually going to throw 50 times a game, he could get killed. I am wondering if Galloway will ever get on the same page with Brady. I am concerned about Brady's accuracy and whether he is gun shy and whether it will ever go away. I am worried whether O'Brien's poor play calling a times and lack of adjustments will disapear as he gets used to the roll or whether he is just not suited to be a OC.

Now these fears may not be things that keep me up at night because some or all of them should work themselves out as the season goes along, but I am a just a little bit concerned that they may not.

The Pats need to have a strong offense to cover for the defense's deficiencies. I didn't think the defense played all that bad yesterday (they played great in the first half and came out flat in the second), but it still isn't a dominant defense that can win a lot of games for the Pats while the offense works through their issues. The offense needs to come around sooner rather than later.

 

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

I'm worried about the O from a big-picture point of view. Look, there aren't many teams that have the horses to stop the Pats' shotgun offense. Therefore, the Pats will light up the scoreboard quite a few times this year and end up near the top of the league in offensive prowess. The concern comes against the good defenses (and if you dismissed the Jets as a good defense prior to yesterday, you let your Jets hate cloud your vision). To wit:

1. The Pats have been using this shotgun offense as a base offense since 2007. That's a LOT of game film for the opposition to dissect.

2. Aside from a draw here and there, the shotgun screams "pass", so the defense has a really good idea what's about to happen at the snap.

3. Brady has outstanding pocket presence, so the key is to disrupt the pocket by pushing it back into his face up the gut.

4. Want to push the pocket in his face? Put a DT on Koppen's nose. Put a DT on Mankins' nose. These guys struggle in one-on-one blocking in which they're quickly engaged by a big body.

Good defenses should be able to take advantage of the predictability of the Pats' offense. Unless the O can start throwing these Ds off balance, there are going to be a few...just a few...more games like this, then a big dissapointment in January (unless the Pats' D and/or special teams can steal a game). Because the Pats will light it up in the base shotgun offense in most of their games this year, most fans will dismiss the offense as having a problem, but they'll be wrong. The offense will be a problem...a correctable problem if they start working on it during the season before January rolls around.

Tom Brady has not spent his entire career in a base shotgun offense. He has taken plenty of snaps under center. The Pats need to get back to doing this. First, it keeps the D guessing if a run or pass is coming. This greatly reduces the defense's options on blitz packages and exotic coverages. Second, it opens up play-action as the D has to bite on the run fake. This should open up Moss more as the safety to his side has to pay attention to both the run and pass. Third, it should beat the heck out of the DL as they'll be exposed to a lot more blocking schemes like traps, pulling linemen, etc. This should give Brady a better time back in the pocket as the game progresses.

The Pats have a powerful, but flawed, passing game. The flaw is small such that only the best Ds can expose it. But the Pats will run into those best Ds eventually. They need to have an alternative offense ready for those games.

Regards,
Chris

 

[Snarf]

I am not worried about Brady or the receivers.

I am, however, worried about our O-line. Getting destroyed by the Giants in that superbowl should have been enough to get BB to make some changes.

No changes were made, and we see the same problems that happened back then resurfacing now (and in some games last year).

We REALLY need to shake the O-line up a bit to protect Brady more. He's trying to come back from a serious injury and the O-line is making it WORSE for him by being almost non-existent. He's running around scared -- and for good reason IMO.

We also need Brady to run the football a whole lot more to calm blitzes down and reduce the amount of Brady-eating-sod time that we're currently seeing.

 

[klinefan]

If Brady doesn't get his head out of his kabuki and bring his QB rating up into double digits, then YES, we should be WORRIED.

Not sure how you discipline him...cut off his contact to "Gisele" and tell him no more of his celebrity fantasies...the thing is, if he sucks like this, his "gisele" and his media sensation life will probably be gone anyway.

Brady is like Sampson and football is his hair. Gisele is Delilah. Does he really think she's going to stick around with him stinking up the place?

Brady needs to get with the program. BB should put them all back in the dorms...first night give them the rifle speech: "Tonight, you pukes will sleep with your rifles! You will give your rifles a girl's name....BECAUSE this is the only ** YOU PEOPLE are going to GET!"

 

[JoeShmoe]

Guys

IF (if, if, if) Brady plays better and makes a few regulation passes we would have won the game. Probably comfortably. Go watch it again , he misses a wide open Galloway in the 1st quarter on 3rd down, he overthrows him in the end zone in the second, the poor throw to Edelman, another to Maroney. Calling all the screens

He had a really poor game, both as a QB and a play caller (delay of game anyone?). IMO he needs an OC to make those calls and take that pressure off him

Plus even though he was under pressure his technique was bad. He used to be great at standing in the pocket, under pressure, buying a second and stepping into throws. Not yesterday, even when not under pressure he was wayward

He has to get better, we have to run more and we have to have somone on the sidelines with a game plan calling the plays

I cant believe just how much we are missing McDaniels

The D - I thought away from home, in a hostile atmosphere, with key injuries, they played pretty well

 

[captain stone]

It's interesting how many people are yelling foul about the "abandonment of the running game", when all summer people on this board have been arguing against the need for a balanced offense, assuming that we would have a replay of 2007 with an aerial circus.

I hear ya. What was esp. galling yesterday was watching the excellent running games of some of the other teams, on the new NFL RZ channel.

While I was watching Pats-Jest, I was also watching NO at Philly. NO has this FB named Heath Evans, and he looked pretty good. Why can't we get guys like him?

 

[BradyManny]

It's interesting how many people are yelling foul about the "abandonment of the running game", when all summer people on this board have been arguing against the need for a balanced offense, assuming that we would have a replay of 2007 with an aerial circus.

But you were arguing for a balanced offense for the sake of it being balanced - I think we can all agree this offense is not off to the start the 2007 one was, and could use some balance. There's a difference there, give me the 2007 offense over the 2004 one any day, it scored more points. But that's where we differ.

 

[captain stone]

I'm worried about the O from a big-picture point of view. Look, there aren't many teams that have the horses to stop the Pats' shotgun offense. Therefore, the Pats will light up the scoreboard quite a few times this year and end up near the top of the league in offensive prowess. The concern comes against the good defenses (and if you dismissed the Jets as a good defense prior to yesterday, you let your Jets hate cloud your vision). To wit:

1. The Pats have been using this shotgun offense as a base offense since 2007. That's a LOT of game film for the opposition to dissect.

2. Aside from a draw here and there, the shotgun screams "pass", so the defense has a really good idea what's about to happen at the snap.

3. Brady has outstanding pocket presence, so the key is to disrupt the pocket by pushing it back into his face up the gut.

4. Want to push the pocket in his face? Put a DT on Koppen's nose. Put a DT on Mankins' nose. These guys struggle in one-on-one blocking in which they're quickly engaged by a big body.

Good defenses should be able to take advantage of the predictability of the Pats' offense. Unless the O can start throwing these Ds off balance, there are going to be a few...just a few...more games like this, then a big dissapointment in January (unless the Pats' D and/or special teams can steal a game). Because the Pats will light it up in the base shotgun offense in most of their games this year, most fans will dismiss the offense as having a problem, but they'll be wrong. The offense will be a problem...a correctable problem if they start working on it during the season before January rolls around.

Tom Brady has not spent his entire career in a base shotgun offense. He has taken plenty of snaps under center. The Pats need to get back to doing this. First, it keeps the D guessing if a run or pass is coming. This greatly reduces the defense's options on blitz packages and exotic coverages. Second, it opens up play-action as the D has to bite on the run fake. This should open up Moss more as the safety to his side has to pay attention to both the run and pass. Third, it should beat the heck out of the DL as they'll be exposed to a lot more blocking schemes like traps, pulling linemen, etc. This should give Brady a better time back in the pocket as the game progresses.

The Pats have a powerful, but flawed, passing game. The flaw is small such that only the best Ds can expose it. But the Pats will run into those best Ds eventually. They need to have an alternative offense ready for those games.

Regards,
Chris

Exc. analysis; unfortunately, I fear that their flaws may not be correctable during this season. What is required to correct them is a change in philosophy, and therefore a change in personnel. A re-committment to the running game likely cannot be made in-season, because it requires a FB, perhaps a new Center & LT, and a new - or rediscovered - chapter of the playbook.

Perhaps the face-slap of missing the POs 2 consec. years will be the wake-up that this organization desperately needs.