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  1. Deus Irae

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    "The statistics" are guesswork buttressed by agenda (regardless of direction). There is literally no way of knowing the actual numbers, and the oft-shifting definitions of what constitutes rape/sexual assault guarantee that the numbers will never really mean anything of value.
     
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    I guess that's one way to achieve rapture while practicing safe sex.
     
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    Bunch of possible reasons. Could be that he wants to interview the parties and see if anything allegedly happened in his jurisdiction. Could be that it's an elected position and he wants to get some positive headlines.
     
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    I clarified my point to better capture my ideas. If I assumed something about your perspective that was untrue then let me be the first to apologize.

    My post wasn't meant to be a hit against traditional marriage -- I think a lot of the values embodied in traditional marriage are good things.

    I was simply stating that the notion that moral sex can only occur within that framework is antiquated and untrue, IMO. If you disagree with that then there's no need to discuss further, as we'll agree to disagree.
     
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    Just so we are clear on what the Pennsylvania DA can look into

    The first alleged incident happened at Brown’s Pittsburgh-area home in early June 2017, and the second alleged incident happened at his Miami home in late June 2017. The third alleged incident happened at his South Florida home in May 2018

    First one she alleges he exposed himself and kissed her.

    So the essentially the Pennsylvania DA can only look into indecent exposure and a kiss without consent. Unless Brown had security cameras in his home and they are still on a hard-drive somewhere, gonna be very hard for them to prove this.

    Political grandstanding here.
     
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    I side on giving the accuser a lot of the benefit of the doubt in cases of sexual assault allegations. But if the accuser hasn't tried to file criminal charges for allegations where the statutes of limitations haven't run out while filing civil charges, it does raise a red flag for me. I doesn't mean she is lying, but I gotta wonder why she would be willing to go through a civil case and what should be a torturous deposition yet not be willing to go through a criminal trial where there are protections for the victim. As a plaintiff in civil trial, virtually nothing about her private life and past sexual history is off limits in a deposition and possibly in a trial.

    I still won't dismiss her case as a money grab as of right now, but she will need to explain at some point (not necessarily to the public) why she would seek monetary justice rather than criminal justice if she never tried to file a criminal complaint.

    She has a right to be heard and Brown has a right to defend himself. Unfortunately, this could come down to a he said/she said and we will never know for sure who is telling the truth.
     
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    Not saying he lied. If asked about anything else the Pats may be interested in knowing, maybe he said "Not at liberty to say" or similar. I don't know how these conversations go in practice. This may be reason #236 why the contract contains boilerplate clauses to protect the team for things Drew couldn't discuss.

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    I highly doubt her hubby has had a hummer in a very long time...if ever.

    It has been amplified and maybe over exaggerated because of the Kavenaugh hearing.
     
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    You may be taking crap for this perspective, but I think you're right. It's not a comment about whether people are "good" or "bad". I mean, just on one level (which doesn't appear to be an issue in the AB case), the more sex partners you have, the more at-risk you are for a sexually-transmitted disease.

    "You’re more likely to get HIV or another STD when you have more than one sex partner, or many sex partners during your lifetime. That’s because more people mean more chances that one or more of them will have HIV or an infection. Ever heard the saying that when you have sex with someone, you’re having sex with everyone they’ve ever had sex with?" (From WebMD)

    There are other consequences as well, but I don't want to derail the thread too much.
     
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    Very carefully
     
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    Yeah I think the really important point to keep hitting on at risk of this whole discussion taking a dark turn is "available evidence so far" amounts to very little. It's just way premature to be making an evaluation of any significance. So even qualifying "she seems like a liar" with "based on what we know so far" is still premature IMO. We just don't know enough to even really speculate at this point.

    I hope AB didn't do it, for a number of reasons including that it's always better if sexual assault didn't happen than if it did. And I'm slightly encouraged by how forcefully his people have come out against this. So I do get where you're coming from, and I'm not trying to call you out or anything because I think your take is reasonable, but I just think even that much is going too far at this point based on what little we know.
     
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    Oh great, the Pittsburgh DA will look at the case...Brown made a lot friends down there :rolleyes:
     
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    Yeah, that's pretty much self-evident. You're also considerably less likely to ski into a tree if you don't ski at all, but I'm not really sure that that's a moral indictment of skiing.

    Casual, attachment-free sex has existed for longer than humans have, and there's nothing inherently wrong with it. It's riskier than not having casual sex, but that can be said about tons of things. There are a hundred things any one of us will do today that we'd be a little safer if we didn't do them. Like eating a burger or something.
     
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    They don’t and it’s sad. In the other thread you had people arguing that because it’s civil and not criminal it can’t happen
     
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    Probably, sad either way. Lets hope goodell* isn't Judge*Jury*Executioner* on this.
     
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    Not new information but i haven't seen NFL put someone on exempt list for civil cases. But for criminal cases, they are pretty quick to put them on it. Granted, DA is still "investigating" and haven't filed any criminal charges yet. That's really where I was coming from

    See above. I've been lurking these forums dating prior to the super bowl win against the seahawks. I joined recently a few years ago. But besides the point, it being investigated by DA and IF criminal charges are contemplated, I would think NFL leans towards placing him on exempt list.

    Being on exempt list for a few may not be a bad thing. At least he can get up to speed on the offense (even though he can't practice, he can still be in meetings and in facility) without occupying a roster spot.
     
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    This is Goodell we are talking about.
     
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    Take it from the jarofmayo?

    :D
     
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    This...I don't get. I have mentioned that a person very close to me went through a horrible rape experience. Was considering her options. We were informed that if she brought it to her college, that the college could do something about it (suspend the guy, expel him, whatever) if they had sufficient evidence, but that it wouldn't go to criminal trial unless she pressed charges.

    I don't understand how the cops can just decide to press charges anyway, since that would drag the woman into a criminal case. Maybe she doesn't want that for whatever reason; I know the person I'm referring to in my situation isn't sure she wants to go through that. Do the police just have the freedom, apart from someone pressing charges, to just go ahead with legal proceedings anyway? Even if it means now dragging the woman (who doesn't want to go through this) through the process too, which is EXACTLY what would happen with a competent defense lawyer?
     

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