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[IllegalContact]

Honestly I just want this Tampa game out of the way. I love watching the games every week since I was a kid watching Bledsoe and Curtis Martin and even last year as painful as it was but this Tampa game I am really not looking forward to.

 

[fair catch fryar]

They are all blowhards only spouting off because they think it keeps them relevant. If Brady wins the back-to-back SB with Tampa and Mac Jones turns out to be a bust then maybe those jerks are on to something. Even then, it's questionable.

 

[203Pat]

They are all blowhards only spouting off because they think it keeps them relevant. If Brady wins the back-to-back SB with Tampa and Mac Jones turns out to be a bust then maybe those jerks are on to something. Even then, it's questionable.

Lol So Brady needs to win two Super Bowls in a row for Bill to be wrong?

 

[p8ryts]

Ok, so I'm listening to those pukes on the Felger and Mazz, and they are doing their usual schtick about how the Bucs season just proved how it was all about Tom and Bill is overrated and got his rep on Tom's back. It's not like I hadn't heard this crap before. And I understand that after 20 years of having to eat Bill's sh!t and LIKE It, the media is going to take any opportunity to get back at the guy who has tormented and made their lives difficult for the last 2 decades. But for some reason this was the one that broke this camel's back. So many MYTHS that they were spouting, I turned them off and started thinking about what I would say to them if I had had them my car. Actually Felger would be the only one in my car, Mazzarotti would have had to listen from the trunk.

Here are what I believe are the myths that most of the mediots and too many of the fans around here keep on propagating.

MYTH ONE: Tom BradY was the sole reason why the Pats were so good for so long and last season proved it.

Now Tom is TRULY the GOAT, and what he's accomplished for SOOOO long is nothing short of miraculous. And he clearly has been the most important individual player of the 2 superhowl runs. So this is NOT about hating on Tom, but rather understanding how interdependent the success of ANY individual player, even the QB is on the rest of the players on the 53 man roster......AND the coaches and systems that they play.

This isn't basketball or hockey where 3 of 4 great individuals can transform a team. This is FOOTBALL The ULTIMATE team game. If having a good/great QB was all you needed, then why have so many great QB's have put up super numbers and didn't win titles or have have won just one or two over lengthy careers. Matthew Stafford is the poster boy of this myth. In the 10 seasons from 2011-2020 Stafford has throw for over 4200 yds 8 times and in one of the 2 years he didn't, he averaged over 300ypg for the 9 games he played. He played 16 games in 9 of those 10 years, and in the only year he DIDN'T get to 4000 he missed by 230 yds The man is a good QB who hasn't won many games when he has played against good competition. I heard this stat, but can't confirm it, but in his 12 years in the league he has won 6 games against teams that finished the season with winning records. I find that hard to believe quite frankly, but it is something I happened to hear coincidently when I switched the channel to WEEI. Do you think Stafford will repeat that THIS year when he is with a good team with good coaching around him like the Rams.

Think about the other great QB's of this era. Brees, Manning, Rodgers, Rivers, , Rothlessberger, even Cam when he was a top 10 QB, All put up great numbers, yet only got to the big game once or twice during careers that spanned over 15 years And think about all the QB mediocrities who DID make it to the Superbowl and some even won it. Christ, Rex Ryan put a really good team around Mark Freakin' Sanchez and got to the AFCG in his 2nd year.

I played the game for a lot of years and coached a lot more. I love the game of football (though a bit less since Polian and Goodell to an axe to it) and quite frankly I take great offense to the Felgers and media marketers of the world who look at the game as being Brady vs Prescott instead of the Buc's vs the Cowboys

Myth 2 - Bellichick chased Brady out of NE because his ego couldn't take the competition, AND didn't want to pay him what he wanted.

Its a nice story, especially in a media market that loves to tear down it's heroes even more than they love to build them up. But it's a scenario that doesn't bear up to close scrutiny. Like other such myths like Bill was forced by Kraft to trade Garropolo in the middle of the 2016 season

Brady leaving was much more about where the team was heading and where BRADY wanted to be at the tail end of his career. Just look back. For a 6 season stretch (2014-19) the Pats were in the playoffs for 6 years, the Superbowl for 4 years, and won 3 of them. When you have that kind of success, it comes with burdens. Most of them revolve around the cap. The Pats pretty much had gone "all in" for a number of years, and by 2019, the cap wall had been hit and hit hard. The Pats entered the 2020 season with a $1MM QB and were STILL up against it. Image what it would have been if they had a $25MM QB.

2020 was going to HAVE to be a reboot season and it showed in the talent level on the field. Well, if you were Tom Brady and at age 43 had a very finite number of year left, would you really want to spend it while your team rebuilt around you for about 2 of the 3 odd years you have left. I don't think so. AND if you loved and respected what he did here for 20 years, you WOULDN'T want him to. Gronk was gone, AB shot himself out of town (by his own actions) and what was left couldn't stand up to the end of the 2019 season, and it was only going to get worse in 2020.

And as far as the myth the Pats didn't want to pay him, let me ask you this. Do you really the difference between 15MM and 25MM was gong to make a SMIDGEON of difference in Tom Brady's life style. It wouldn't have take a foot off his new yacht. It wasn't about the money. It was somewhat about getting out from Bill's shadow perhaps, but never about the money. I just don't see a scenario where he would have stayed. So I was thrilled when he went to a team that accumulated the finest set of offensive skill players in the league...by far. (THREE #1 type WR's, THREE starting quality TE's including the GOAT, and a more than solid running game). I was very happy for him, and then he got even luckier by ending up having what turned into the best defense in the playoffs as well.

What I DON'T understand is why you can't be happy for Tom, and still recognize the brilliance Bill's coaching. The fact that Tom won, shouldn't mean that Bill is a fraud because he had ONE 7-9 year after TWENTY!!!!!! winning seasons in a row So now you understand why Felger's smarmy lead in today "how do you feel about Tom's (not the Buc's) Banner day infuriates me so.

BTW- Great game tonight - TB caught a break at the end, but the home team sometimes gets those calls or non-calls. Didn't watch the entire game, but for what I DID see, Tom looked like Tom (he's still apparently good at football), and Gronk looked like Gronk and then some. Vita Vea was THE beast, and I hope that our run defense looks like the Buc's on Sunday. They shut down a good OL and an excellent RB. 108 passes

what he said

 

[RobertWeathers]

I do not buy Team Bill's narrative that Brady just wanted to leave no matter what. I do not think that was the case until he signed that deal in August of 2019 when Bill made it clear it was time to move on. Every single report for years is that Brady wants to play till at least 45 and that Brady wanted a long term deal. Bill kept kicking the can down the road year after year when he should have signed Brady to a new deal after he traded Jimmy in 2017.

The "Team Bill" narrative so you "Brady Boys" can point to is Tom expected more money, an investment in the offense (which when the cap allowed he had), an easing up on attending OTCs (which he got), more Guerrero (which he kinda got) and BB to treat him more like a peer and not a player- see say in personnel decisions (goes against everything).

Tom knew 2020 was a reset and he wanted no part of it and I don't blame him.

When Tom started to squawk about his contract and stopped going to OTAs and being miserable, do you really think Bill could bring him back?

Brady was gone and Bill moved on. Tom saying he wanted to stay and Bill and Bob saying they wanted him to stay is all BS.

Amicable divorce. I really don't understand why the Brady Boys can't acknowledge this.

Absolute 100% percent unabashed Bill homerism to claim that Brady had it easier than Bill. Brady had to work with 52 brand new guys and an all new coaching staff (who is lightyears worse than Bill and his staff) he also had to build timing and relationships with 52 new guys without a real offseason. Bill on the other hand got to show up to the same place he has been for two decades and make literally every single decision on who he wants to work with. I don't know how you can discredit what Brady did by claiming he just got to pick out a nice brand new house while ignoring the fact that Bill's house was falling apart because Bill didn't know how to maintain it the last few years.

The reason "things got tough" was 100% on Bill. His poor roster building make his own job tougher but then he is supposed to get credit for sticking through his own screwups? Please.

So coaching and running all aspects of an NFL franchise is easier than being a QB? You have got to be kidding me. Thats fanboy talk.

There is no discrediting Brady. He was a free agent. He wanted an out. Players come and go. Do you not agree?

Bill is GM and HC. Only Kraft can get rid of him and since he is here, it's obvious who he feels is more important to the program- which he is.

52 players? Coaches do that. Are you saying it was a mind-bending chore for Tom to know who a dime DB's name is?

Poor roster building? Are we talking about the Jets or a team that won the Super Bowl in 2018 Went 12-4 in 2019, Res-set the cap in 2020 and reloaded this offseason with tons of cap space and drafted a franchise QB?

I know it hard to let go but jezz. Enjoy the rebuild.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

As I have said before, there is no other great player in teams sports history that had more of his credit taken by the org he played for. Right from the get go, Kraft/Bill were all too happy to stand front and center after every SB win and claim the Patriot Way and culture/system. What a load of horse manure. Event though I wish like heck Brady still played for us and retired a Pat, I am thrilled he got the chance to prove that narrative was a complete and utter JOKE.

Bill did a lot of good thngs. It's easy to look at the Bucs now and it appears easy to assemble a team with a solid defense (look at that front 7/run defense) and a spectacular group of weapons. But the Bucs are still highly powered from great drafts and cheap rookie talent too, and they're clearly all-in for a few years.

Bill was able to weather many storms, drafting #32 often, constantly flexing guys in and out for 19 seasons.

He was the only coach/GM who was able to take control of the team with a superstar QB, rather than cater to the superstar demands for high priced skill players when the team was struggling elsewhere, and relying on his star QB to make cheaper guys produce more. So, it's kind of a credit to both of them from that standpoint, but it's also in some ways a lot more credit to Brady for being willing and being the best at getting the most out of what he had.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Honestly I just want this Tampa game out of the way. I love watching the games every week since I was a kid watching Bledsoe and Curtis Martin and even last year as painful as it was but this Tampa game I am really not looking forward to.

Totally agree. I want both teams to win when they play. Patriots moreso, but I'm not looking forward to all the cat fights I'll be involved in leading up to the game.

First season I remember as a kid

 

[RobertWeathers]

Bill did a lot of good thngs. It's easy to look at the Bucs now and it appears easy to assemble a team with a solid defense (look at that front 7/run defense) and a spectacular group of weapons. But the Bucs are still highly powered from great drafts and cheap rookie talent too, and they're clearly all-in for a few years.

Bill was able to weather many storms, drafting #32 often, constantly flexing guys in and out for 19 seasons.

He was the only coach/GM who was able to take control of the team with a superstar QB, rather than cater to the superstar demands for high priced skill players when the team was struggling elsewhere, and relying on his star QB to make cheaper guys produce more. So, it's kind of a credit to both of them from that standpoint,

Great post

but it's also in some ways a lot more credit to Brady for being willing and being the best at getting the most out of what he had.

Some years Brady didn't have a lot to work with. Some years he did. The cap and team priorities influenced that.

 

[Kontradiction]

I really don’t know how I could have possibly gotten through my day without this post.

 

[Steve102]

Who is Brad? (Brady I assume)

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[Vatahala]

Do Felger and Maz make season predictions? Do they think Pats will have another losing season this year?

 

[Steve102]

Honestly I just want this Tampa game out of the way. I love watching the games every week since I was a kid watching Bledsoe and Curtis Martin and even last year as painful as it was but this Tampa game I am really not looking forward to.

Same. I am not going to consume any pregame media on this one at all.

 

[amfootball]

Bill did a lot of good thngs. It's easy to look at the Bucs now and it appears easy to assemble a team with a solid defense (look at that front 7/run defense) and a spectacular group of weapons. But the Bucs are still highly powered from great drafts and cheap rookie talent too, and they're clearly all-in for a few years.

Bill was able to weather many storms, drafting #32 often, constantly flexing guys in and out for 19 seasons.

He was the only coach/GM who was able to take control of the team with a superstar QB, rather than cater to the superstar demands for high priced skill players when the team was struggling elsewhere, and relying on his star QB to make cheaper guys produce more. So, it's kind of a credit to both of them from that standpoint, but it's also in some ways a lot more credit to Brady for being willing and being the best at getting the most out of what he had.

I get what you are saying but was really that the best approach? We got a little taste of what Brady could do with legit weapons in 2007 and then of course saw his season last year at age 43 throwing for 50 Tds total including playoffs.

In my view, so many of our seasons were like pushing a boulder up a hill because all Brady had were little slot guys and Gronk. If either got hurt, we were screwed. To go so many years without giving him one really legit outside WR is a travesty. Look what he did with AB last night. He averaged 24 yards a catch. Everything becomes so insanely easy when you just have one guy like that!

I also don't think Bill was relying on Brady to do more with less. I mean why would you do that with a 6th round pick whose arm was weaker than Bledsoe's? He was more relying on building his defense because that is where he is a savant and the offense suffered as a result. The insane production of the offense for 2 decades was FULL credit to Brady not Bill.

 

[moosekill]

Ahh yes the board's resident dunce clearly didn't watch the game last night. It was clearly Brady's fault Ronald Jones coughed up the ball inside Tampa's territory, or when "Lombardi Lenny" decided to flip a dump off pass into the air for a pick, or when Godwin decided to take the final nail out of the coffin and hurl it across the room as he fumbled the ball at the goal line.

Do you ever get tired of embarrassing yourself?

203, not sure why you try and insult my intelligence. Probably trying to make up for your incredibly small pecker. Grow up, go back to the Tompa thread and leave the adults here to talk. While you may disagree with what I post, you certainly aren't smarter than I am, so.....

 

[rochrist]

I agree that obviously Bill along with Charlie and Josh had a big impact on Brady’s career, but the same can be argued the other way. Until Brady Bill was an under .500 coach who found the best player N. American team sports has ever seen in the 6th round.

While I believe Brady was the more important of the 2, it took both of them to create and maintain the sports greatest dynasty.

Under .500 coach who had a game plan enshrined in the Hall of Fame.

 

[bormio]

God, I want Jones to wax Brady’s azz week 4!

 

[RobertWeathers]

I get what you are saying but was really that the best approach?

We won 6 Super Bowls. Won 9 AFC championships and played in 14 which are all NFL records. So yes.

We got a little taste of what Brady could do with legit weapons in 2007 and then of course saw his season last year at age 43 throwing for 50 Tds total including playoffs.

From 2010-2017 the Patriots scored more points than any NFL team. If I recall, those rosters had an All-Pro TE, very good WRs and great 3rd down RBs. What more do you want?

In my view, so many of our seasons were like pushing a boulder up a hill because all Brady had were little slot guys and Gronk. If either got hurt, we were screwed. To go so many years without giving him one really legit outside WR is a travesty. Look what he did with AB last night. He averaged 24 yards a catch. Everything becomes so insanely easy when you just have one guy like that!

I also don't think Bill was relying on Brady to do more with less. I mean why would you do that with a 6th round pick whose arm was weaker than Bledsoe's? He was more relying on building his defense because that is where he is a savant and the offense suffered as a result. The insane production of the offense for 2 decades was FULL credit to Brady not Bill.

Who was responsible for building a defense which was #1 in fewest points allowed from 2001-2019?

 

[everlong]

Ok, so I'm listening to those pukes on the Felger and Mazz

People need to just stop listening to them.

 

[condon84]

Honestly I just want this Tampa game out of the way. I love watching the games every week since I was a kid watching Bledsoe and Curtis Martin and even last year as painful as it was but this Tampa game I am really not looking forward to.

I can't wait for this Tampa game. I want to see what kind of defensive plan Belichick has for Brady, Brady going back to Gillette, how the crowd will react, etc. The most anticipated regular season game in the Belichick era imo.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I can't wait for this Tampa game. I want to see what kind of defensive plan Belichick has for Brady, Brady going back to Gillette, how the crowd will react, etc. The most anticipated regular season game in the Belichick era imo.

If the crowd doesn't give Tom a 15 minute standing ovation it will be an insult and an embarrassment to all of us.