NFL GAME DAY DISCUSSION AFCDG: Buffalo Bills at Denver Broncos

[Ross12]

What I find the most hilarious is that they changed the overtime rules for him specifically and he still can't win. Reminds me of the old Manning-led Colts.

“Now he finally gets a chance to have the ball and answer back!!!!! Whoops, he threw an INT”

 

[Ross12]

I agree with everything you've said except I haven't seen video evidence of him losing control.

They showed it during the broadcast, it was pretty clear

 

[NovaScotiaPatsFan]

“Now he finally gets a chance to have the ball and answer back!!!!! Whoops, he threw an INT”

Dude, you're crazy. JA17 does NOT turn the ball over.

 

[RobertWeathers]

They showed it during the broadcast, it was pretty clear

Not to me. Knee/elbow were down and he had it in both hands.

 

[ErniesPinkStripes]

The hypocrisy and crying from bills fans about this...

 

[Ross12]

Not to me. Knee/elbow were down and he had it in both hands.

That doesn’t matter. He has to survive the ground. As he hit the ground further he lost the ball.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That doesn’t matter. He has to survive the ground. As he hit the ground further he lost the ball.

There is a question if the defender landed on him after he was down by contact which dislodged the ball.

This is the issue.

 

[Lansdowne]

1. The refs missed a DPI call on Denver vs Cooks in the end zone

2. The DPI call on Buffalo vs Sutton was somewhat bogus when you consider they didn’t call the one on Cooks. However, there was also a Roughing the Passer call on the same play which was declined and was perfectly valid. So even if the refs held this DPI flag in their pockets, the RTP call would’ve advanced the ball roughly the same amount anyway. Therefore this DPI call is basically a wash.

3. The last DPI vs Mims is not debatable. The defensive back clearly committed obvious interference because he knew drawing a flag was better than giving up an instant game-losing TD there. He knew he was beaten badly, the only way to stop the play was to hit the guy. Give up a penalty and live to fight another few downs.

So overall the Bills were not impacted by poor officiating at all. The first two DPI calls/non-calls are a non-factor when considering the overlapping Roughing the Passer call, and the final DPI call is very clear and seemingly intentional.

Yup. The refs also missed a holding call against the Bills in OT that would’ve resulted in a safety and ended the game. The “let the players play” crowd have no leg to stand on.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Yup. The refs also missed a holding call against the Bills in OT that would’ve resulted in a safety and ended the game. The “let the players play” crowd have no leg to stand on.

That one bugged the hell out of me.

 

[bormio]

Respectfully, I don’t understand how people are having a problem with the INT.

Pretend there was no DB in the area. Cooks goes up for the catch. He catches it for a moment but when he hits the ground he loses control and it falls out of his hands and flies up into the air. Presumably it would eventually hit the ground. That would be an incomplete pass, because he did not survive the ground. We all agree, right?

This is the same exact thing; the only difference is that when he lost control of the ball when he hit the ground, there was a DB right next to him who then took the live ball himself.

The ball never became an incomplete pass because it never touched the ground, and it never became a completed pass for the offense because the receiver did not maintain control through hitting the ground with his body. It was an INT because the ball landed with the DB who maintained control through the ground.

Everyone is forgetting the whole “maintain control” aspect of catching a pass. The receiver can’t just have it for a fraction of a second with his knee down for it to be complete. It needs to complete the entire process.

People have the idea that if you have the ball and are touched when on the ground, the play is over. True if you are a runner. But does not apply to catching a pass. The play looks like it was called wrong at first glance, but was called exactly as the rule envisioned. And the rule is good - you have to maintain control of a catch.

 

[Sect140]

That doesn’t matter. He has to survive the ground. As he hit the ground further he lost the ball.

As the ref analyst for the network said when Cooks when up and got his hands on it and on his way to the ground he never had possession the ball. So it was never a question of him completing the catch, he never had control.

 

[TommyD4207]

People have the idea that if you have the ball and are touched when on the ground, the play is over. True if you are a runner. But does not apply to runners to catching a pass. The play looks like it was called wrong at first glance, but was called exactly as the rule envisioned. And the rule is good - you have to maintain control of a catch.

And it's been that way for a long, long time.

The only people it's not obvious to are Bills fans and Josh Allen glazers.

 

[TommyD4207]

As the ref analyst for the network said when Cooks when up and got his hands on it and on his way to the ground he never had possession the ball. So it was never a question of him completing the catch, he never had control.

This, he never actually had it.

Rule of thumb - if someone's posting still screenshots on a football play instead of video, they're typically trying to peddle a lie.

 

[Ross12]

There is a question if the defender landed on him after he was down by contact which dislodged the ball.

This is the issue.

He really never had control, but even if he did, if he lost control by a defender landing on him when he hit the ground, it would still be incomplete because he didn’t survive the ground

 

[RobertWeathers]

He really never had control, but even if he did, if he lost control by a defended landing on him when he hit the ground, it would still be incomplete because he didn’t survive the ground

We disagree if he had control which is foundational to our interpretation of the play. Moving on.

 

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[Ross12]

We disagree if he had control which is foundational to our interpretation of the play. Moving on.

I don’t know what there is to disagree on hahah it’s the literal rule! But it’s fine, we can drop it. It just keeps coming up.

 

[Rob0729]

Both teams lost tonight. The Broncos are screwed for next week. All the attention is on Bo Nix, but people are sleeping on that the Broncos could be without two of their three top WRs next week. Troy Franklin went out and never returned with a hamstring injury and he has the second most receiving yards and TDs on the team. Pat Bryant who is the third best WR on the team got a concussion.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

What I find the most hilarious is that they changed the overtime rules for him specifically and he still can't win. Reminds me of the old Manning-led Colts.

This also hurts the narrative that mahomes was their kryptonite. Perhaps its their own coach and gm that is still yet to provide Allen with any sort of support.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Mcermotts press conference lmaoooooooooo IM STANDING UP FOR BUFFALO d%#*!@t. FOH