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Peyton has had the best season by a QB. Like i said they aren't doing anything we haven't done. The 04' Colts had a running game. Do the Pats have one?

By the way i remember Pats fans saying we had a easy schedule in '04. Look at ya'lls schedule this year. Y'all play in the AFC Least. Lol!

The Patriots do not have a rushing attack?

Sammy Morris: Two 100 yard rushing games and an avg of 4.5 ypc.

Laurence Maroney: One 100 yard rushing game and an avg of 4.7 ypc. Maroney didn't rush that many times against the Dolphins but averaged 5.2 ypc when NE used him.

During this seven game period Maroney has missed three games, and Morris has missed 1 1/2, but the Patriots still have the 7th rushing attack in the NFL.
 
That's why the 04' colts are better than the Pats now, not only did we have 3 killer receivers James still got his 1500 yard season and 51 catches for 500 yards. We were a better all around offense.
Funny, the New England Patriots won the Super Bowl during the 2004 NFL season while the Colts could only muster three points in Foxboro. That's after the biggest crybaby in the NFL had the five yard chuck rule "reinforced". Three points for the quarterback known to throw his entire offensive line under the bus. As for your claim of offensive efficiency, you are talking out of ass, as usual.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.co...ts_on_pace_for_all-time_NFL_scoring_mark.html

As for the 2007 NFL version of the Patriots, it's just as good as the 2004 NFL version of the New England Patriots.
 
Blue18, you sound a little silly when you keep throwing out assertions without knowing what you're talking about.

NE was averaging 150 yds/game on the ground through the first 5 weeks. Then they ran into a Dallas team which focused on stopping the run and lost their backup RB, to go along with an injured starting RB. NE can run the ball.

Welker has been having a great year from the start. Yes he's caught 2 TDs each of the last two games, but he was already performing. You obviously don't have him on your fantasy team.

Did you watch the Dallas game? Did you see that sick non-catch Moss made in the end zone? Did you notice that Brady overthrew Moss twice in the Dallas game and adjusted, since at least if he underthrows him Moss has a chance? Did you see the catch where he caught the ball with one arm while double-covered (and didn't jump, mind you). Writing off Moss's catches this year as simply "jumping over people" is silly. Moss is the first tall WR NE has featured under Belichick (all others have failed) because he can run good routes and catch the ball.

Feel free to defend your guys. Don't make things up to do so, because it invalidates the other stuff you say. I have no good reason to believe anything else you said considering the above examples.

*edit* And season-long accomplishments are not more impressive because the team/QB took six (or whatever it was) games to get rolling. Some would argue consistency is more valuable. I myself don't really think it's a big deal either way, but you keep tossing out that Manning's '04 season was obviously more impressive for the fact that he took some time to get rolling and I just don't see how you get there.
 
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Two more wins and we'll be the only team(i think) to start 7-0 is 3 straight seasons, check your facts.

And only once did you win the SB.. So what..

We got the best active QB and Receiver. Can Moss get 140+ catches in a season? Harrison has done it.

So what. What did that 140 reception season prove? Nothing except the Colts couldn't win when it counted.

Matter of fact we've gone 5-0 in 4 or the last 5 seasons. We've gone 13-0 and 10-0 in back to back seasons. Can the Pats do that?

The Pats have won 21 straight games before.. The Colts can't say that, not can they...
 
And play offense better.

Manning's 5/1 TD/INT was very impressive in that 2004 season.

Now check out Brady's 13/1 (admittedly only through half a season).

Manning sat out a lot of 4th quarters during that season. He didn't pad stats.
 
Manning sat out a lot of 4th quarters during that season. He didn't pad stats.
You can't pad a ratio, it should be as good through 3 quarters as 4.

Anyway, this is all semantics, the Colts did things the Pats won't do, and the Pats are doing things the Colts haven't done, and won't do. They're different teams.
 
Colts played way tougher teams and the only lost i can remember the Colts have in the first seven weeks of 04 was against the Pats which could have easily been won if James didn't fumble twice on the goal line, then the liquored up kicked missed an FG to send it to overtime.

Also if you didn't realize Manning didn't catch fire till mid season if you remember, everyone was talking a bout Daunte Culpepper breaking the record not Peyton. That's what makes the record even better is that Manning didn't start the season throwing 5 and 6 TD's a game(except for the GB game). Manning had 41 after 11 games and Manning became the first player in league history to throw at least four touchdowns in five consecutive games. 41 in 10 games and 6 in the last 5. He sat out a lot of 4th quarters because we were killing everyone. Not only that James was leading the league in rushing for most of the year.

That's why the 04' colts are better than the Pats now, not only did we have 3 killer receivers James still got his 1500 yard season and 51 catches for 500 yards. We were a better all around offense.

Rice was around HOF'ers also so does he suck also? You Pats fans kill me. You don't know greatness unless he's in a Pats uniform. Marvin was the only good receiver we had and he still broke the record for catches in a season. Moss could never do that, even with Brady.

How can you compare them this year when we spread the ball around. Moss was the only person getting catches until ya'll played the Browns. I read on this board how the fans thought Stallworth wasn't really contributing to the team, so i know ya'll was forcing the ball to Moss. Welker is on my fantasy team and he hasn't been doing nothing until the last 2 games.

Marvin's career > Moss's career

Marvin Harrison through 12 NFL Seasons has 1,039 receptions, for 13,928 yards and 123 touchdowns. Good for a 13.4 yard per catch average.


Randy MossThrough 10 NFL Seasons has 720 receptions, for 11,432 yards and 111 touchdowns. Good for a 15.9 yard per catch average.

Moss is faster, taller and has better hands (an argument can be made here, but all one needs to do is look at Moss's highlights to find out) and is a better at making the big play. Also, considering the QB talent sourounding the two recievers for most of their careers, I'd certainly say Moss has the edge and everyone except Colts homers would agree on that statement.

So to reiterate and counter your argument. Moss has been in the NFL for two less years, and outproduces Harrison in averages.
 
That's why the 04' colts are better than the Pats now, not only did we have 3 killer receivers James still got his 1500 yard season and 51 catches for 500 yards.

Guy, you're being ******ed. Take the glasses off. The 2007 Patriots, if they play at this level for their remaining nine games, are going to be one of two or three teams discussed as the best in the history of the NFL. The 04 Colts were a disappointment with a soft schedule that played in a dome and got folded like Origami in the AFC divisional game.
 
Manning sat out a lot of 4th quarters during that season. He didn't pad stats.

Talk to us Pats fans when your team wins 3 super bowls in 4 year span.
 
Colts played way tougher teams and the only lost i can remember the Colts have in the first seven weeks of 04 was against the Pats which could have easily been won if James didn't fumble twice on the goal line, then the liquored up kicked missed an FG to send it to overtime.

Maybe you should check your facts before you spout off then. During the 2004 season, the Colts started off 4-3.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt2004.htm



Also if you didn't realize Manning didn't catch fire till mid season if you remember, everyone was talking a bout Daunte Culpepper breaking the record not Peyton. That's what makes the record even better is that Manning didn't start the season throwing 5 and 6 TD's a game(except for the GB game). Manning had 41 after 11 games and Manning became the first player in league history to throw at least four touchdowns in five consecutive games. 41 in 10 games and 6 in the last 5. He sat out a lot of 4th quarters because we were killing everyone. Not only that James was leading the league in rushing for most of the year.

That's why the 04' colts are better than the Pats now, not only did we have 3 killer receivers James still got his 1500 yard season and 51 catches for 500 yards. We were a better all around offense. [/quote]

Blah, blah, blah... but your defense stunk that year.. That's what you are missing...

Rice was around HOF'ers also so does he suck also? You Pats fans kill me. You don't know greatness unless he's in a Pats uniform. Marvin was the only good receiver we had and he still broke the record for catches in a season. Moss could never do that, even with Brady.

No, moron. The Colts were PASS HAPPY. That's why he broke the single season reception record. You have 4 other receivers catch at least 43 receptions that year. And, considering that the Colts threw the ball nearly 600 times, I'd expect there to be that many catches..


How can you compare them this year when we spread the ball around. Moss was the only person getting catches until ya'll played the Browns. I read on this board how the fans thought Stallworth wasn't really contributing to the team, so i know ya'll was forcing the ball to Moss. Welker is on my fantasy team and he hasn't been doing nothing until the last 2 games.

Marvin's career > Moss's career

WOW, more proof you don't know WTF you are talking about. The Patriots are KNOWN for spreading the ball around. Not just to MOSS. And please, your completely STUPID and IGNORANT if you think that Welker hasn't done anything until the last 2 games. The guy is averaging better than 6 catches a game. He's only 2 receptions behind MOSS.

Blue18 = Fantasymoron
 
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And only once did you win the SB.. So what..



So what. What did that 140 reception season prove? Nothing except the Colts couldn't win when it counted.



The Pats have won 21 straight games before.. The Colts can't say that, not can they...

Your responses actually prove my suspicions. For every stat i bring up you bring up did we win the SB that year and when you find a stat the Colts haven't done you bring that up in your argument. Besides I was talking about what you guys are doing on the offensive side of the ball.

I hope you see my point, you guys feel stats don't mean nothing unless they win the whole thing this year. If you guys don't even get back to the AFCCG it will be a disaster. There is no pressure on us to repeat. Besides Randy Moss sucks in the snow. I'll never forget him giving up in that 41-0 blowout in the snow against the Giants.
 
Yeah just like "his legs aren't the same." "He's a cancer." "He's a me guy."

Now "he can't play in the snow."

We're going to crap all over you in the RCA Dome. It won't even be within 14.
 
The 2004 Colts? Didn't the Pats beat that team...twice? On the way to our third Lombardi? WTF kind of idiotic debate is this?
 
Manning sat out a lot of 4th quarters during that season. He didn't pad stats.

Like hell he didn't. Manning most certainly DID pad his stats...
 
Maybe you should check your facts before you spout off then. During the 2004 season, the Colts started off 4-3.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt2004.htm





That's why the 04' colts are better than the Pats now, not only did we have 3 killer receivers James still got his 1500 yard season and 51 catches for 500 yards. We were a better all around offense.

Blah, blah, blah... but your defense stunk that year.. That's what you are missing...



No, moron. The Colts were PASS HAPPY. That's why he broke the single season reception record. You have 4 other receivers catch at least 43 receptions that year. And, considering that the Colts threw the ball nearly 600 times, I'd expect there to be that many catches..

How can you compare them this year when we spread the ball around. Moss was the only person getting catches until ya'll played the Browns. I read on this board how the fans thought Stallworth wasn't really contributing to the team, so i know ya'll was forcing the ball to Moss. Welker is on my fantasy team and he hasn't been doing nothing until the last 2 games.

Marvin's career > Moss's career[/quote][/QUOTE]

Actually i quoted one of your fellow pats fans when he said the Colts started 4-2 in the FIRST SEVEN WEEKS. During the first seven weeks they were 4-2 according to the schedule.

Really our defense sucked? I had other pats fans in another thread say our '04 defense was good but overrated. I actually agree with you. But i think pats nations should agree on things like this i shouldn't see contradictory opinions.

So you mean teams knew we were pass happy and they still couldn't stop Marvin. That's pretty good for a 6 foot guy. For a guy who is the only active player who can sniff Jerry Rice's record he gets a lot of hate. But it's ironic how pats fans love chad johnson the showboat.
 
Better yet, 4 of the Pats pass catchers have a chance to get to 10+ touchdowns this season (Moss, Welker, Stallworth, Watson)!
 
Your responses actually prove my suspicions. For every stat i bring up you bring up did we win the SB that year and when you find a stat the Colts haven't done you bring that up in your argument. Besides I was talking about what you guys are doing on the offensive side of the ball.

I hope you see my point, you guys feel stats don't mean nothing unless they win the whole thing this year. If you guys don't even get back to the AFCCG it will be a disaster. There is no pressure on us to repeat. Besides Randy Moss sucks in the snow. I'll never forget him giving up in that 41-0 blowout in the snow against the Giants.

Yeah, Moss sucks in the snow...unlike that noted All-Weather Warrior Peyton Manning....I'll never forget him giving it up in that 20-3 blowout in the snow....

LMAO
 
Your responses actually prove my suspicions. For every stat i bring up you bring up did we win the SB that year and when you find a stat the Colts haven't done you bring that up in your argument. Besides I was talking about what you guys are doing on the offensive side of the ball.

My response prove you to be an idiot who doesn't do his homework. And I focused on the offensive side of the ball.. but also talked about the TEAM... I'm sorry if that is a foreign concept for you.

I hope you see my point, you guys feel stats don't mean nothing unless they win the whole thing this year. If you guys don't even get back to the AFCCG it will be a disaster. There is no pressure on us to repeat. Besides Randy Moss sucks in the snow. I'll never forget him giving up in that 41-0 blowout in the snow against the Giants.

What point? The fact your an idiot and that you haven't really checked your facts well enough. An, because you haven't you bring up stupid garbage that has no bearing on the current situation.

Actually, yes, there IS pressure on Indy to repeat and your a fool for thinking otherwise.
 
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