2025 offseason

[dliverey44]

The following moves would essentially rebuild the squad and leave almost 40 mil for the rookie class and any other potential moves. This would give us 55 players under contract in 2025, there are some cuts and/or restructures that could leave us more than 40M. I am getting very excited and would be willing to see if these additions could win in spite of Mayo, but I think many of these folks will be resigned. Sad day

TE- Austin Hooper 1/4M​

CB- Alex Austin 2/4M​

LT- Alaric Jackson 4/88M​

LT- Jaylon Moore 3/18M​

OG- Trey Smith 4/84M​

Edge- Josh Sweat 3/45M​

C- Drew Dalman 3/30​

LB-Zach Baun 3/22​

CB- Paulson Adebo 3/17​

WR- Darius Slayton 3/50​

Edit: it would also allow the Pats to draft BPA without taking need into consideration, imo

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

The problem is that Robinson is probably the best LT that is going to be available, he is going to get paid.

Why is getting paid a problem?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

The following moves would essentially rebuild the squad and leave almost 40 mil for the rookie class and any other potential moves. This would give us 55 players under contract in 2025, there are some cuts and/or restructures that could leave us more than 40M. I am getting very excited and would be willing to see if these additions could win in spite of Mayo, but I think many of these folks will be resigned. Sad day

TE- Austin Hooper 1/4M​

CB- Alex Austin 2/4M​

LT- Alaric Jackson 4/88M​

LT- Jaylon Moore 3/18M​

OG- Trey Smith 4/84M​

Edge- Josh Sweat 3/45M​

C- Drew Dalman 3/30​

LB-Zach Baun 3/22​

CB- Paulson Adebo 3/17​

WR- Darius Slayton 3/50​

Edit: it would also allow the Pats to draft BPA without taking need into consideration, imo

Great post!!! I would hope that between Robinson, Strange, and J Andrews we could find one LG. Trey Smith is better but I am not sure the upgrade is worth 4/84M. If we use one of our 3rds on a Center, maybe we can avoid the Dalman 3/30M, but I have no idea if there is a beast for a center in the 2025 draft. Usually if you use a high R3 pick you can one of the top centers in the draft.

 

[dliverey44]

Great post!!! I would hope that between Robinson, Strange, and J Andrews we could find one LG. Trey Smith is better but I am not sure the upgrade is worth 4/84M. If we use one of our 3rds on a Center, maybe we can avoid the Dalman 3/30M, but I have no idea if there is a beast for a center in the 2025 draft. Usually if you use a high R3 pick you can one of the top centers in the draft.

Thanks, I went heavy OL because I am so tired of seeing them not be able to get 1 yard when they need it via the run. I woud love to see the Pats with a great run game and it starts with the OL.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Thanks, I went heavy OL because I am so tired of seeing them not be able to get 1 yard when they need it via the run. I woud love to see the Pats with a great run game and it starts with the OL.

You are right. I might be overly optomistic with the return of Robinson (he has not looked good in his rookie year, strong but too slow), Strange (his knee injuring might not ever completely heal), and J Andrews (BB played him at the end of his rookie year which BB does not do unless the coaches love him - compare to Stidham for instance). Hopefully one or two of those three guys are OK.

If we can avoid the Trey Smith contract that is huge savings for other mid-level guys (mid-level guys provide support when injuries happen).

 

[Headcase]

Can robinson is starter quality but i definitely wouldn’t want to pay him what most LTs are looking to be paid now. I think he is slightly above average at best. But you are right about the rest of the line. I think aside from owenu everybody is else should be considered backups next year(I’m not counting Cole strange cause I don’t know how he’ll be at center).

The problem is that Robinson is probably the best LT that is going to be available, he is going to get paid.

Why is getting paid a problem?

Its a problem in relation to the post I originally quoted.

 

[PowerRunRevival]

I want to see the Pats offer top market deals for some combination of WR (Tee Higgins or bust), offensive line (Trey Smith, Ronnie Stanley, Alarick Jackson) and/or defensive player ( second corner, deep safety, off the ball linebacker, edge).

The Pats need to make some moves to address problem areas in free agency so that they aren’t reliant on the draft to fill positions of need. Pats need to go bpa and it’s hard to do that if they don’t make some big moves in free agency.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

The problem is that Robinson is probably the best LT that is going to be available, he is going to get paid.

I watched him last game
He is not very good
In the first half he had 3 penalties and was beaten twice

 

[Headcase]

I watched him last game
He is not very good
In the first half he had 3 penalties and was beaten twice

Yep, is NFL starter quality, yes, but he is at the low end of that range...unfortunately not alot of answers at that position this offseason.

 

[stinkypete]

I have since pivoted from Robinson to Alaric Jackson because he has performed better vs the pass and in the run game and is much younger. I have been toying around with the roster and contracts on over the cap and we can pretty much completely rebuild our OL in FA if the players test the market.

LT- Alaric Jackson 4/88M
LG- Trey Smith 4/84M. He played some LG in college and if he can't move to the Left because he has played so much on the right then **** Owenu
C- Drew Dalman 3/30M
LT- Jaylon Moore 3/18 I think he played RT in college but not 100% sure. If he can't play RT then competent backup LT

After these moves we would still have 73.5M, but the contracts could be structured to use more or less cap space. I would be content not signing Higgins and pursuing some upgrades on defense like Josh Sweat and Zach Baun.

I'm fully on board with Jackson. He is a much better tackle than Robinson. Would the Rams let him walk though?

 

[Headcase]

I'm fully on board with Jackson. He is a much better tackle than Robinson. Would the Rams let him walk though?

The thing to look at is WHY would the Rams let him walk? Because they aren't letting a good LT go for no reason....do they have someone waiting in the wings? Has he not been as good as some people think? Do they have CAP issues? Does he just want to test FA?

 

[dliverey44]

The thing to look at is WHY would the Rams let him walk? Because they aren't letting a good LT go for no reason....do they have someone waiting in the wings? Has he not been as good as some people think? Do they have CAP issues? Does he just want to test FA?

They have 56M in cap space next year and no real must haves in FA, so they have the money to sign him. I doubt he makes to FA, but in my mind he would want to test FA and get max $$ and that could be the Pats. According to PFF (I know grain of salt) he has played 836 snaps and grades at 79 overall, 79.2 in pass block and 77.9 in run blocking. He has 7 penalties and allowed 3 sacks with 20 pressures. He is going to get anywhere between 22M and 26M annually.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

What do you guys think of Ronnie Stanley
Last year of contract
Ravens don’t have too much cap space and have to sign some other players

 

[Brewskies]

I just want the Patriots to lose the remaining games against the Rams and Bills. The Patriots need all the help it can get like a 1st or 2nd round pick and an extra pick in the first round. Kraft has failed to get the people on the staff to aquire the right players through the draft and he hasn't opened his pocketbook to get the right players through free agency. Kraft has failed as an owner and other owners have shown their disrespect of the Kraft with their push to make sure Robert doesn't get into the HALL something he wants so badly while the fans want a competitive football team. Thank you Bill Belichick for what you did under the restriction that Robert Kraft tied your hands as GM.

Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah Patriots' fans. May we get a new owner other than the Krafts.

 

[dliverey44]

What do you guys think of Ronnie Stanley
Last year of contract
Ravens don’t have too much cap space and have to sign some other players

I like him but he is hurt a lot

 

[mgteich]

The following moves would essentially rebuild the squad and leave almost 40 mil for the rookie class and any other potential moves. This would give us 55 players under contract in 2025, there are some cuts and/or restructures that could leave us more than 40M. I am getting very excited and would be willing to see if these additions could win in spite of Mayo, but I think many of these folks will be resigned. Sad day

TE- Austin Hooper 1/4M​

CB- Alex Austin 2/4M​

LT- Alaric Jackson 4/88M​

LT- Jaylon Moore 3/18M​

OG- Trey Smith 4/84M​

Edge- Josh Sweat 3/45M​

C- Drew Dalman 3/30​

LB-Zach Baun 3/22​

CB- Paulson Adebo 3/17​

WR- Darius Slayton 3/50​

Edit: it would also allow the Pats to draft BPA without taking need into consideration, imo

Are you presuming that the 2025 cap hit will be the AAV. It is usually less, and often it is much less.

Even without options and void years, see this example at 4/$84M with $47M guaranteed (bonus plus 2 year's salary)

BONUS $32M
SALARIES: $5M, $10m, $15M, $22M
AAV = $21M

CAPS
2025: $13M
2026: $18M
2027: $23M
2028: $30M

 

[dliverey44]

Are you presuming that the 2025 cap hit will be the AAV. It is usually less, and often it is much less.

Even without options and void years, see this example at 4/$84M with $47M guaranteed (bonus plus 2 year's salary)

BONUS $32M
SALARIES: $5M, $10m, $15M, $22M
AAV = $21M

CAPS
2025: $13M
2026: $18M
2027: $23M
2028: $30M

When I went through that exercise I put an even split in salary every year and did not use void years. So the AAV is the cap hit, I did that because I wanted to see the potential of signing people without going all N.O Saints with future loading all contracts.

 

[JPPT1974]

Yeah as really need in building around Drake, giving him an OL and OT!

 

[mgteich]

When I went through that exercise I put an even split in salary every year and did not use void years. So the AAV is the cap hit, I did that because I wanted to see the potential of signing people without going all N.O Saints with future loading all contracts.

I used no void years in my example. The AAV was $21M with a 2025 cap of $13M.

I believe that it is unusual for 3-5 year contracts to have cap hits equal for all the years. The first year is almost always less.

I used your 4/$84 contract with an AAV of $21M. The 2025 cap would be $13M, going up by $7M each year.

 

[dliverey44]

I used no void years in my example. The AAV was $21M with a 2025 cap of $13M.

I believe that it is unusual for 3-5 year contracts to have cap hits equal for all the years. The first year is almost always less.

I used your 4/$84 contract with an AAV of $21M. The 2025 cap would be $13M, going up by $7M each year.

You are right that almost always the 1st year less cap is used, but I wanted to see if it would be possible to make those signings without back loading.