2024 NFL Draft Thread (Continued..)

[Uptown]

Appreciate the link, but I have zero interest in trading out of 3, unless it’s to move up.

Agreed; unless it’s an offer we can’t refuse. I just want one the top 3 dynamic QBs & the rest will take care of itself.

 

[Uptown]

I really like UVA WR Malik Washington.

 

[Headcase]

For anyone interested there is a Best Case Scenario for Top 10 Teams in the Draft episode on the PFF Draft podcast that just came out. It’s a really good discussion on those picks, definitely worth listening to.

Good link, but nothing really interesting for us...at least I don't think so.

 

[Uptown]

 

[Huckleberry1]

Agreed; unless it’s an offer we can’t refuse. I just want one the top 3 dynamic QBs & the rest will take care of itself.

We agree, I just don’t see any offer that doesn’t include a franchise QB that would be acceptable. If the Chargers want to trade Justin Herbert, or the Bills want to get rid of Josh Allen then I’m all in, other than that I keep coming back to the same situation, which is that it doesn’t matter how many good players you get; without a franchise QB you aren’t going to win a Lombardi, and I’m just not interested in building a team that is in the playoffs year after year, but can’t win it all. Once they have that piece I will be far more flexible regarding the moves they are making, but until then I’m pretty much locked in on getting a franchise QB.

 

[Headcase]

Here is a question, specially for those that are ride or die QB at 3 . Everyone complains about reaches, how much of reach is OK for a QB?

I was curious, so I looked at the first 5 NFL big boards in my Google search, and here is where JD is on them as of today:
PFF : 11th
ESPN : 10th
NFL: 5th
Tankathon: 8th
Sporting News: 11th

So according to those, on average, there are 5 players better then JD that we could draft at 3. On all the boards it could easily be argued that those positions are also glaring holes....So is the 9th best ranked player in the draft (precombine) more valuable than everyone else?

MHJ, Alt, Bowers, Nabers are the nonQBs ranked before him, some add Fashanu and Odunze as well.

 

[Uptown]

 

[Huckleberry1]

Here is a question, specially for those that are ride or die QB at 3 . Everyone complains about reaches, how much of reach is OK for a QB?

I was curious, so I looked at the first 5 NFL big boards in my Google search, and here is where JD is on them as of today:
PFF : 11th
ESPN : 10th
NFL: 5th
Tankathon: 8th
Sporting News: 11th

So according to those, on average, there are 5 players better then JD that we could draft at 3. On all the boards it could easily be argued that those positions are also glaring holes....So is the 9th best ranked player in the draft (precombine) more valuable than everyone else?

MHJ, Alt, Bowers, Nabers are the nonQBs ranked before him, some add Fashanu and Odunze as well.

I don’t see it as a reach at all, because he has the highest ceiling of any player in the Draft, and because QB is the most important position on the field in every game you play. Big boards are assuming equal positional value for every position.

 

[Headcase]

I don’t see it as a reach at all, because he has the highest ceiling of any player in the Draft, and because QB is the most important position on the field in every game you play. Big boards are assuming equal positional value for every position.

Yeah, I figured that was about the answer I'd get from you!

 

[upstater1]

We agree, I just don’t see any offer that doesn’t include a franchise QB that would be acceptable. If the Chargers want to trade Justin Herbert, or the Bills want to get rid of Josh Allen then I’m all in, other than that I keep coming back to the same situation, which is that it doesn’t matter how many good players you get; without a franchise QB you aren’t going to win a Lombardi, and I’m just not interested in building a team that is in the playoffs year after year, but can’t win it all. Once they have that piece I will be far more flexible regarding the moves they are making, but until then I’m pretty much locked in on getting a franchise QB.

It would be fantastic if the Chargers were convinced by Harbaugh that JJ McCarthy is their guy, and they decided to trade for Herbert. Herbert is worth at least 3 #1 picks, maybe more.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Am I missing something? I’m surprised you are still using a “ Patriot Type Player” model with Belichick gone and their drafting model in flux. I realize most of the scouting is done, but I would think the points of emphasis for the prospects would change significantly. Probably not on defense, but definitely on offense.

I figured you would spend the next year or two changing the model for their drafts.

I've always looked at the GBP draft prototypes believe it or not for OL bc we tend to look for very similar types. Not much will change on defense and OL for me. As for WR recently they have favored athletic big boys that can block.

Bottom line, Ivan. When you're as good as me you don't worry about things like that. I'll figure it out. Hit on 3-5 and be in the ballpark for most of the picks.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I've always looked at the GBP draft prototypes believe it or not for OL bc we tend to look for very similar types. Not much will change on defense and OL for me. As for WR recently they have favored athletic big boys that can block.

Bottom line, Ivan. When you're as good as me you don't worry about things like that. I'll figure it out. Hit on 3-5 and be in the ballpark for most of the picks.

I’m not doubting your evaluations, I just thought you were basing PTP on the Belichick model for types of players he drafted, and I was of the belief that the OL in particular used a different type of OL for West Coast blocking schemes. I don’t expect too much to change in the defensive side of the ball.

 

[goheels22002]

Round 1: Drake Maye, QB - UNC (#GDTBATH), Round 2: Tyler Guyton, OT - Oklahoma (probably the fourth best OT on the board), Round 3: Bralen Trice - DT/LB LSU - perfect guy for Mayo 6'4" great edge rusher in college, solid against the run., Round 4: Johnny Wilson, WR/TE - FSU, 6-7 WR with a nasty streak, good downfield blocker, Round 5: Jackson Powers Johnson C/G, - Oregon, 6-3, 320 lbs, G/C who switched from DL to OL, Round 6: Kendall Milton, RB - Georgia, a big back (6-1, 220) who can block for the rookie QB. Round 7: Ventrell Miller, SS/LB Florida - a 6'0 230lb thumper who would be a nice fit in this defense. 5 offense/2 defense.

QB, WR, 2 OL, and one RB. The reinforcements are on their way, boys!

 

[Huckleberry1]

Yeah, I figured that was about the answer I'd get from you!

That’s because it’s what I believe. Top 50’s don’t go by draft value, but that said I think in a top 50 Daniels should be # 1, because he’s the most productive player ln college history, he achieved that in the best conference, and he has the highest ceiling of any player in the Draft.

 

[Boston Boxer]

If that’s the case, then you didn’t need to respond. It was for those who like McCarthy and/or dislike Daniels for whatever reasons…

my response was specifically towards the comment "so i have to ask what's the REAL issue". sounded like you were making it about race without coming right out and saying it.

 

[Headcase]

That’s because it’s what I believe. Top 50’s don’t go by draft value, but that said I think in a top 50 Daniels should be # 1, because he’s the most productive player ln college history, he achieved that in the best conference, and he has the highest ceiling of any player in the Draft.

I guess over his 5yrs? Because he doesn't even have the most productive season in LSU history. Burrow had over 1000 more combined yards, and 15 more TDs. I would guess that if more QBs stayed in college 5yrs someone would be more productive.

 

[Headcase]

Interesting numbers from the NFL_Draft sub, ORIGINAL LINK

 

[upstater1]

Interesting numbers from the NFL_Draft sub, ORIGINAL LINK

And this is always why people scoff at analysis which sees the Patriots as drafting as well as teams ranked 8-15 in drafting. Only 3 out of 10 players drafted end up panning out. This basically means 2 or 3 players per draft. So when people say the last 4 drafts have been bad, they don't look at them the way draft analyzers are looking at them. 2020 yielded Dugger, Onwenu, Jennings and Uche. Most analyzers would label that a good draft, even if Patriots fans look at the draft and remember the misses on the TEs Asiasi and Keene in the 4th round.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I guess over his 5yrs? Because he doesn't even have the most productive season in LSU history. Burrow had over 1000 more combined yards, and 15 more TDs. I would guess that if more QBs stayed in college 5yrs someone would be more productive.

He’s the only player in college history with over 12,000 yards passing and 3,000 rushing, and he has the highest passer rating 208.00 in college history.

 

[rochrist]

He’s the only player in college history with over 12,000 yards passing and 3,000 rushing, and he has the highest passer rating 208.00 in college history.

That's great and all, but just so you know, Mac Jones had a 203.1 rating. And he had a higher completion percentage and more yards. Whee,.