DRAFT 2022 PTP Draft Board / Pats Draft Talk

[p8ryts]

How many of those guys play with that kind of speed though? Genuinely asking, because I don’t know a lot of those names. Do they all actually play that fast, did they all get a decent amount of separation?

Yes, we need a three tool guy. Speed, separation, hold on to the ball. I can't believe I just said three tool.

 

[PatsFan2]

Just really have to question what the Patriots saw in Harry after their evaluations I wanted A.J Brown. Just the little tape on this guy you see he's leagues ahead of Harry in overall talent and football intelligence.

 

[captain stone]

He may fill the CB void through free agency like Carleton Davis or Casey Hayward...who knows.

Free agency other than retaining Mr INT isn't going to help us this offseason... You can thank last offseason for that...

The void at CB - and there's one here even with JC - can only be filled with a high-end draft pick... Let's just hope that Matt Groh & Elliot the Wolff can show Billy how to properly choose a Day 2 CB...

 

[captain stone]

Agreed. At 4.28 I think Thornton improved his stock. Tall, rangy, long strider, great body control, good hands. Who does that remind you of?

Moss?

 

[DaBruinz]

Prospects have spoken out publicly and behind the scenes about this. And it makes sense if you've ever been a serious lifter or competed in different things. Not easy trying to put out "max strength / effort" over and over again for the bench, 40, short shuttle etc ...

Yea I can't believe I forgot again after you reminded about posting the tackles twice! I'm just a mess. I'll do it in a few with RB.

No worries, BCG. I know you've got a lot on your mind. Myself and many MANY others appreciate everything you do.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

If Pickens gets a better start that is 13 guys sub-4.4. NUTS!!! 4.21? SUPER NUTS!!!

I'll admit I'm not an expert on this but I've been watching these closely for years. Talked to enough people and researched enough to know guys either weren't training, got poor coaching or just didn't take to training bc I saw a lot of poor starts and peaks. Again I'm dumb and nor an expert but I noticed it with several runs. Which is crazy bc guys ran fast.

What really sucks is Pickens is exactly the type we go after, like and could really use rn but he's such a nut lol. Not even trying to disparage him but he's a little touched up and you need some of those guys. I just don't know how Bill would deal with someone so outspoken

So what do you take away from this? 1) we do not need a WR at 21 - there will be WRs later on. 2) we need to find another 4.3 CB, like JJones, because there are going to be multiple teams with two low 4.3 WRs. Sure does make you wonder what the CB's 40 times are going to be.

I'm picky so there's only a handful of guys I'd take at 21 to begin with. Probably go CB > WR bc there's more talent there early on and types we like. Speed is the most important thing for DB's. You can get way with it at WR, TE or RB but not DB.

 

[DaBruinz]

Not sure if I'm the only one who saw it, but Thornton's second stride was off slightly. Not sure if it cost him anything as the rest of his strides were identical..

 

[DaBruinz]

Anyone have the times for Kyle Phillips? (Edit: Found it 4.50 on his 2nd)

UCLA Wide Receiver Kyle Philips Caps Off Opening Day of NFL Combine - Sports Illustrated UCLA Bruins News, Analysis and More

After etching his name into the Bruins' program record books, Philips took one step closer to the NFL before going down with an injury late.

www.si.com

Not sure what to make of the passing drills. Hopefully, Phillips didn't severely injure his shoulder.

 

[Toofy]

We need to nail this draft to the T so many needs. Maybe drop to 40 and get two additional early 3rd round picks .

 

[PWRxWLF]

We need to nail this draft to the T so many needs. Maybe drop to 40 and get two additional early 3rd round picks .

If they made that trade with Den, I’d be pissed if they didn’t get their second as well. Who do you think Den would be trading back up into the first for?

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Reminder what to look for ...

OT - 29 or better vert, sub 4.75 shuttle, bj better than 8.6 and sub 7.85 3C. Historically we like bigger tackles and this is the only OL we take with a top 100 pick. Even Thuney played T in college that's the key to getting an early call.


G/C - sub 7.71 3C, sub 5.30 40, 4.7 shuttle. Quickness!


TE - 4.7 40, 34 + very, 7.05 3C. , sub 4.30 shuttle

WR - 4.4, sub 6.89 3C, 36 + vert has stood out. They like HWS guys like Jackson, Harry, Johnson, Givens a lot.

RB - 24 + bench, 9.1 bj, 35 vert, toughness is key. Tough, pass pro and don't fumble.

QB - accuracy and smarts (football & school.

CB - 10.5 + bj, 38 + vert is key, 4.4 49

Saf - 36 + vert and 10 + bj

LB - size & weight (245-255+), physicality, hands, a little crazy, a little smart, 4.7 40, 33 + arms

DT/UT - 29 + vert, 33 + arms

End/OLB - 6'3" height, 34 +, 10 bj

 

[Toofy]

If they made that trade with Den, I’d be pissed if they didn’t get their second as well. Who do you think Den would be trading back up into the first for?

Yeah 40 + 2 3rd round picks 60 and something odd.

So we have 5 picks in top 100.

 

[DaBruinz]

We need to nail this draft to the T so many needs. Maybe drop to 40 and get two additional early 3rd round picks .

Just so I understand.

You're suggesting the following: (points taken from the NFL Draft Value Chart)

To the Broncos:
#21 (800 points)

To the Patriots:
#40 (500) , #75 (215) , #96 (116)


800 points compared to 831.

That's the sort of deal that would only happen on Draft day and ONLY if the Broncos REALLY wanted someone at 21.

 

[ralmat55]

I don’t follow the draft player to player like I once did, but, from what I’ve read and heard, this is a very deep draft which suits the Pats well because they really need to come out of this draft and UDFA class with 5 or 6 quality contributors.

They need to get younger, deeper and faster across the roster. Last year was a good start as you can’t complain about Jones, Barmore and Stevenson, and I think Perkins is going to be a player unlike Winovich and, I’m afraid, Uche. You have to think Bledsoe being activated from the NFI means the coaches are high on him.

With Brady and the lure of playing for a SB every year gone, the Patriots really need to get back to basics and become an excellent drafting and development organization once again.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Reminder what to look for ...

OT - 29 or better vert, sub 4.75 shuttle, bj better than 8.6 and sub 7.85 3C. Historically we like bigger tackles and this is the only OL we take with a top 100 pick. Even Thuney played T in college that's the key to getting an early call.


G/C - sub 7.71 3C, sub 5.30 40, 4.7 shuttle. Quickness!


TE - 4.7 40, 34 + very, 7.05 3C. , sub 4.30 shuttle

WR - 4.4, sub 6.89 3C, 36 + vert has stood out. They like HWS guys like Jackson, Harry, Johnson, Givens a lot.

RB - 24 + bench, 9.1 bj, 35 vert, toughness is key. Tough, pass pro and don't fumble.

QB - accuracy and smarts (football & school.

CB - 10.5 + bj, 38 + vert is key, 4.4 49

Saf - 36 + vert and 10 + bj

LB - size & weight (245-255+), physicality, hands, a little crazy, a little smart, 4.7 40, 33 + arms

DT/UT - 29 + vert, 33 + arms

End/OLB - 6'3" height, 34 +, 10 bj

Zion johnson and parham made Money with those quick feet and johnson with 32 bench press , he will be a great guard , I am looking at cincy here they could use him

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I don’t follow the draft player to player like I once did, but, from what I’ve read and heard, this is a very deep draft which suits the Pats well because they really need to come out of this draft and UDFA class with 5 or 6 quality contributors.

They need to get younger, deeper and faster across the roster. Last year was a good start as you can’t complain about Jones, Barmore and Stevenson, and I think Perkins is going to be a player unlike Winovich and, I’m afraid, Uche. You have to think Bledsoe being activated from the NFI means the coaches are high on him.

With Brady and the lure of playing for a SB every year gone, the Patriots really need to get back to basics and become an excellent drafting and development organization once again.

5 or 6 quality contributors is very unlikely. Not sure why we NEED that many. Mac's Y2 is a step forward and hopefully we win a playoff game, but a Super Bowl appearance is the goal in 2024, after 2 drafts and a new FA class with our cap space in 2023. We do not need 5 or 6 contributors this year, 3 is more realistic, but 5 or 6 would be nice.

I agree about Bledsoe coming off NFI. McGrone came off NFI too - you appeared to miss him.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Just so I understand.

You're suggesting the following: (points taken from the NFL Draft Value Chart)

To the Broncos:
#21 (800 points)

To the Patriots:
#40 (500) , #75 (215) , #96 (116)


800 points compared to 831.

That's the sort of deal that would only happen on Draft day and ONLY if the Broncos REALLY wanted someone at 21.

Interestingly enough, a few years back Bill Belichick stated that most teams are using a modified version of the trade value chart. Rich Hill at Pats Pulpit took actual recent trades that were made and backed into what that modified trade value chart likely looks like. Here it is:
2022 NFL Trade Value Chart

Under this model, 21 is worth 261, while 40 (149), 75 (63), and 96 (39) total 251. So the points are very reasonably close. Definitely agree that any trade happens on draft day and only if the Broncos are interested in someone at 21, but this analysis suggests NFL teams do not consider it an overpay.

 

[Peachhead]

I just perused the testing results at NFL.com's Combine site for the WRs. While many of them have outstanding straight-line speed as a group their 3-cone results suck. And you guys know how important that drill is to BB. Nelson Aghalor had a 6.83s, Kendrick Bourne had 6.73, Jackobi Myers had a 7.07 and he was undrafted!. Additionally, Julian Edelman ran a 6.62 (!) and Deion Branch ran a 6.71.

Out of all the wrs who ran at the combine I only saw two who ran at the combine had a sub 7 second 3-cone: Kevin Austin, Notre Dame with a 6.71, and Bo Melton, Rutgers with a 6.98. Of course not all the wrs at the combine ran the 3-cone but as a group that's pretty underwhelming for short area quickness.

*all numbers for current or former Pats are from Wikipedia. Numbers for draft prospects are from NFL.com's combine results page.
edited for spelling.

 

[*ChungFu*]

Watching the RBs go through their paces last night provided hope to me that there will be a receiving back added to our roster. We need that position to excel in our scheme. So many of them evidently have great hands. There must be more than a few that are at least okay in blitz pickup.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I just perused the testing results at NFL.com's Combine site for the WRs. While many of them have outstanding straight-line speed as a group their 3-cone results suck. And you guys know how important that drill is to BB. Nelson Aghalor had a 6.83s, Kendrick Bourne had 6.73, Jackobi Myers had a 7.07 and he was undrafted!. Additionally, Julian Edelman ran a 6.62 (!) and Deion Branch ran a 6.71.

Out of all the wrs who ran at the combine I only saw two who ran at the combine had a sub 7 second 3-cone: Kevin Austin, Notre Dame with a 6.71, and Bo Melton, Rutgers with a 6.98. Of course not all the wrs at the combine ran the 3-cone but as a group that's pretty underwhelming for short are quickness.

*all numbers for current or former Pats are from Wikipedia. Numbers for draft prospects are from NFL.com's combine results page.

Most opt out bc they're worn out or not 100% to give their best / max effort. They need to schedule it different.

Watching the RBs go through their paces last night provided hope to me that there will be a receiving back added to our roster. We need that position to excel in our scheme. So many of them evidently have great hands. There must be more than a few that are at least okay in blitz pickup.

Pierce, Knight, Williams, Robinson, Allgeier, Goodsen, Brooks, Leddie Brown are a few