2022 Patriots Roster Cut Down Day Thread

[sb1]

Not at all. The team should have been 12-1 in its first 13 games if not for one-in-a-million type flukes. Unfortunately, injuries completely derailed the season from then on.

Let me put it this way - when healthy, the 2021 team was better than the 2018 team that ended up winning a Super Bowl.

The 2021 team, when healthy, had:

-Much better QB play by virtue of having vastly superior talent at the QB position

Jones has vastly superior talent over Brady? Say what?

-Better defense

The 2018 defense could stop the run, 2021 defense couldn't.

-Better running game

Are you sure you're comparing them with the 2018 team - or 2020? If the latter then I would agree with all your points.

 

[ashley]

Don't worry about Buffalo. This is a franchise drenched in the stench of losing. They've never won anything of consequence, and never will. When the two teams were at their healthiest, the Patriots broke their will in their own building.

Last season was supposed to be their year. The path was paved for them with a weak AFC, an injury-decimated Patriots dynasty, and they were regarded by many analysts as the "best team in the league." They only finished 1 game ahead of us.

The Buffalo Bills will not be challenging us this season. The only team the Bills will be challenging is the Buffalo Sabres, to see which one of these two losers will be without a championship the longest.

Lol, I love your enthusiasm and hope you're right!!!

 

[BB8XSBW]

Jones has vastly superior talent over Brady? Say what?

Mac Jones is the best QB talent this franchise has ever had. First time we've ever had a rookie QB make both the Pro Bowl and postseason in his rookie season.

The 2018 defense could stop the run, 2021 defense couldn't.

The 2021 defense was on a historic run before it was decimated by injuries.

Are you comparing them with the 2018 team or 2020?

2018.

 

[Ring 6]

That doesn't feel right to me. There is a roster limit, so you can't keep all the players you think are good. This is not like old time college football where you dress 100+ players. We will see a bunch of those "JAGS" come back to the practice squad, or younger players get moved to the practice squad so those "JAGS" can get a roster spot.

No it’s right, very few of the players cut yesterday are going to have a significant impact this season.
That was the point of the comment, the guys getting cut are the 54-80th best on their team, you aren’t going to be finding starters on the waiver wire.

 

[sb1]

Mac Jones is the best QB talent this franchise has ever had. First time we've ever had a rookie QB make both the Pro Bowl and postseason in his rookie season.



The 2021 defense was on a historic run before it was decimated by injuries.



2018.

Then no the running game in 2021 was not better than 2018. The 2018 running game might have won us the title. Last year's running game while it was good and there is talent there...it really wasn't a factor against the better teams in the league.

The 2021 defense was not that good. 3rd and 25 to lose the Cowboys game should have been a red flag for us.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Did the practice squad starting forming at Noon? Is there a thread or will that stay in this thread?

 

[Deus Irae]

Ah Deus I missed your posts and thought you had actually left the forum like you said you were going to when Tom left.
Then I realized I was drinking one night and got annoyed with your posts and blocked you. So glad I turned you back on! Who else could add such JR high girl who lost her first boyfriend emotion to this forum.

Pointing out a valid alternative perspective in opposition to your homerism is JR high in your mind. Think about that for a while.

 

[BB8XSBW]

Then no the running game in 2021 was not better than 2018. The 2018 running game might have won us the title. Last year's running game while it was good and there is talent there...it really wasn't a factor against the better teams in the league.

The running game was also on a historic run for most of last season. The running game got hot in 2018 in the postseason, but wasn't as dominant for long stretches as the 2021 was.

The 2021 defense was not that good. 3rd and 25 to lose the Cowboys game should have been a red flag for us.

It's one play. Also, Mills was playing that game hurt. His worst game of the season as a result.

 

[crawhammer]

Doesn't add anything to the forum, a "one trick pony", trolls all the time to get a reaction, you should know this though

You answered the opposite question from what I asked.

Not at all. The team should have been 12-1 in its first 13 games if not for one-in-a-million type flukes. Unfortunately, injuries completely derailed the season from then on.

Let me put it this way - when healthy, the 2021 team was better than the 2018 team that ended up winning a Super Bowl.

The 2021 team, when healthy, had:

-Much better QB play by virtue of having vastly superior talent at the QB position
-Better defense
-Better running game

If the team can stay healthy in 2022, I don't see a single team out there who can challenge us.

You can't be serious. Did you just say the 2021 team had vastly superior talent at the quarterback position than the 2018 team?

As for the 2022 team, they might be the third best team in their own division. The Buffalo Bills... are you familiar with their roster? They're better at quarterback, WR, OL, DL, LB, and DB. I'll go with a tie at TE and give the Patriots the advantage at RB. Buffalo is the much better team.

He's good at special teams and younger (and therefore cheaper) than the rest of the core special teamers.

Oh I see, in other words he has absolutely no chance whatsoever of impacting the outcome of any game.

 

[Deus Irae]

I happen to disagree that the Pats had a better than deserved record (you can only win the games you play), but I like the post, because there was some good luck last year and we would be silly to discount it. I wouldn't call it ridiculously good fortune, at least not on par with being the AFC East at a time when the other three team owners couldn't cope with the fact that Brady put the Patriots at another level and then panicked every few years and scrapped what their coaching staffs had built. Imagine what might have happened in Buffalo if Brady hadn't signed with the Bucs. I could see one more season where they came-up short in the playoffs and blew the whole thing up, rather than growing into the best team in the AFC today. The way they got smacked by that team was shameful, but it was no shame to lose to them, but they won the games they could while rebuilding. If they can get the offensive line working, they will be in a good place to be better this year, even if the schedule is likely to be a bit harder.

The fact is, the competition level is going up in the NFL, as more teams adopt the more professional approach of the modern era and avoid management by knee-jerk reaction. To be sure, there are giant clown shows out there, too, but those are becoming the exception. Neither the chicken littles nor the true homers see this, but I'm sure it's perfectly clear at Patriots Place. Whether the Pats' approach to team building, their coaching and execution, and, yes, their luck are up for growing into a Superbowl contender remains to be seen. I'm happy to cheer them on in the meantime.

I think that this stuff evens up over time, though time is not necessarily limited to the same season. We see it when people talk about one score games, or games decided by X points in one season, or a player that has a career high in interceptions suffering a big drop in INT totals the next year, for example. But when you're playing the Titans, for example, and the Titans are missing Derek Henry, and missing their top receivers, you're getting a huge break.

And that's fine, because that's football, and you can only play the teams as they are. But to go bashing others over a record that was boosted by a seven game stretch with that sort of "luck" leaves you open to a perfectly valid alternate view of what went down.

 

[mikey m]

Deus is 100%, stone-cold correct about how we came to be 9-4 heading into Indy... and that's cause for ****ing censorship?!?

Sorry not sorry, but that's ****ing Bullsh!t.

Put down your fingers and have a cuppa tea like I'm having...

He's right in saying we had good luck with opposing teams missing some key players. The rest of his "analysis" is just that, his analysis. He's also literally not a fan of the team. So tell me, when are mods obligated to allow opposing team fans to come to the forum to talk **** on the Pats?
It's also easy to say that during that stretch, we generally beat the **** out of those teams (which is all you can do in that situation) and lost some tight games to some very good teams throughout the season till the Bills obviously stomped us in the playoffs. Plenty to be happy with for any fan of the team while still being well aware that yes, we're not the same dominant team we were with Brady and a clown shown of a division around us.

 

[captain stone]

I friggen love you Captain, when are we going to get that tea together, been talking about it now for a while. lol

You bring the Lorna Doone's / Vienna Fingers, and I'll bring the Barry's Gold!

 

[BB8XSBW]

You can't be serious. Did you just say the 2021 team had vastly superior talent at the quarterback position than the 2018 team?

That's correct.

As for the 2022 team, they might be the third best team in their own division. The Buffalo Bills... are you familiar with their roster? They're better at quarterback, WR, OL, DL, LB, and DB. I'll go with a tie at TE and give the Patriots the advantage at RB. Buffalo is the much better team.

I'm not impressed with the Buffalo Bills. 2021 was the best chance they will have at a SB for the foreseeable future, and they squandered it. They only finished ahead of us by 1 game, and were eliminated in the Divisional round. Josh Allen had one good season (in 2020.) He was atrocious for most of last season. His three best games of the season came against a beat up Patriots defense in week 15, a practice squad defense in the wildcard round, and the 2nd half of the divisional round. He sucked balls in the 1st half against KC's bottom 5 defense, and only started putting up numbers once their defenders started dropping like flies in the 2nd half. Unfortunately for him, it was too late. What a coincidence that he played his best ball against 3rd and 4th stringers.

 

[Family]

That doesn't feel right to me. There is a roster limit, so you can't keep all the players you think are good. This is not like old time college football where you dress 100+ players. We will see a bunch of those "JAGS" come back to the practice squad, or younger players get moved to the practice squad so those "JAGS" can get a roster spot.

I think Bill was saying that these players mostly are replaceable parts, and not difference makers.

How many players Bill has cut is a difference maker?

 

[jah]

Asiasi claimed by CIN. Looks like that's all for claims of our players.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Asiasi claimed by Bengals, no others taken. Pats didn’t claim anyone.

 

[captain stone]

Not at all. The team should have been 12-1 in its first 13 games if not for one-in-a-million type flukes. Unfortunately, injuries completely derailed the season from then on.

Let me put it this way - when healthy, the 2021 team was better than the 2018 team that ended up winning a Super Bowl.

The 2021 team, when healthy, had:

-Much better QB play by virtue of having vastly superior talent at the QB position
-Better defense
-Better running game

If the team can stay healthy in 2022, I don't see a single team out there who can challenge us.

I thought my 25% THC Duke Nuke 'Em was good... Your stuff must be 75%...

 

[Mack Herron]

 

[captain stone]

1st Miami (DHarris Fumble), Bucs (batted down 3rd down pass last drive), and Cowboys (OT didn't throw to open man on 3rd and 3 at NE46) could've easily been wins (almost lost to the Texans, though - ouch). The big kick in the nads was the Agholor injury during the Colts game (even though we were already down big). That was the point where the "luck" was reversed, and Pats had injuries/illnesses that they couldn't overcome (like Judon looking like absolute crap during 2nd Buffalo game then next day he's (and Bentley - don't remember if he played like crap) put on Covid list).

And they should've beaten the Clots & LOLphins too; no excuses for either loss, simply Bad Football... 11-6 should've at least had them playing somebody other than Barfalo...

 

[Kasmir]

In hindsight, I think we can all agree that was exactly what happened and that is fine to call out.

The actual issue is that particular poster lives for calling out posters for their assessments only after they've been proven wrong and belittles them in the process by calling them "homers".

In addition hes not a fan of the team. Hes here because of what I previously said.

I certainly don't agree that the team was a fraud at 9-4 because it later collapsed vs Buffalo. That's just masochistic.