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I am tired of all the same content being regurgitated and nothing new being discussed so I started doing some research. The average LB in the league in 2025 weighed about 238–240 pounds and stands around 6’2” tall. Here is the breakdown:

Inside Linebacker (ILB / MIKE) - 240–255 lbs
Outside Linebacker (OLB) in 3–4 defense 245–265 lbs
Coverage / speed linebackers 225–235 lbs

This is a departure away from bigger and heavier linebackers from the past. The biggest change has been with off-ball linebackers (MIKE/WILL). Five years ago, many teams still preferred bigger “thumper” linebackers in the 245–255 lb range. Today, more teams prioritize speed, coverage ability, and sideline-to-sideline movement, so many linebackers now play closer to 230–240 lbs. Teams used to prioritized taking on fullbacks and power run schemes. Base defenses (4–3 or 3–4) stayed on the field more often. Today, nickel defenses are effectively the “base” defense because the game changed. Linebackers must cover slot receivers, go tight ends, and mobile quarterbacks. Players around 230–238 lbs are now common starters.

There was a lot of criticism launch at the Pats in the offseason for the way the roster was built, but there is one thing that sticks out. The goal was to add brute force and mass on offense. We have a mobile QB that must be accounted for. During TreVeyon Henderson's 65-yard touchdown run in 2025, Drake was clocked at 20.58 mph. That requires faster linebackers. I asked AI for the average size and weight of the Pats offensive editions in the offseason and it spit out about 6’3½” and 267–270 lbs. I assume linemen skew those numbers but Reggie Gilliam is 6’1” and 255 lbs. Julian Hill is 6’4” and 251 lbs. Their blocking skills are something this team has been missing for a long time. Eli Raridon is 6’6” and 251 with a lot of room to fill out. Lomu is not known for his blocking. I see eventually being out starting LT and Campbell moving the LG or RT. But Dametrious Crownover excites me because even as a rookie he can contribute immediately as a run-blocker, especially in heavy or goal-line packages at 6'7" and 336 lbs.

Even with AJ Brown, I think this offense looks totally different from last year. It has the potential to be the deep shot offense again, and I think Drake will continue to push the call downfield, but the play action will come a lot easier. The goal in the offseason was to become a brute force team and run the other team over by knocking the absolute crap out of them. Vrabel's defense was violent last year. It was so much fun to watch it in the playoffs, but the offense was not that way. I think they really addressed it. It should show as we get late into games when the smaller defenses are worn out. It should also show late into the playoffs when weather becomes a factor and we can only run the ball.
 
It should show as we get late into games when the smaller defenses are worn out. It should also show late into the playoffs when weather becomes a factor and we can only run the ball.

Thats your thread right there...

are the defenses we face in the coming year smaller?
 
I am tired of all the same content being regurgitated and nothing new being discussed so I started doing some research. The average LB in the league in 2025 weighed about 238–240 pounds and stands around 6’2” tall. Here is the breakdown:

Inside Linebacker (ILB / MIKE) - 240–255 lbs
Outside Linebacker (OLB) in 3–4 defense 245–265 lbs
Coverage / speed linebackers 225–235 lbs

This is a departure away from bigger and heavier linebackers from the past. The biggest change has been with off-ball linebackers (MIKE/WILL). Five years ago, many teams still preferred bigger “thumper” linebackers in the 245–255 lb range. Today, more teams prioritize speed, coverage ability, and sideline-to-sideline movement, so many linebackers now play closer to 230–240 lbs. Teams used to prioritized taking on fullbacks and power run schemes. Base defenses (4–3 or 3–4) stayed on the field more often. Today, nickel defenses are effectively the “base” defense because the game changed. Linebackers must cover slot receivers, go tight ends, and mobile quarterbacks. Players around 230–238 lbs are now common starters.

There was a lot of criticism launch at the Pats in the offseason for the way the roster was built, but there is one thing that sticks out. The goal was to add brute force and mass on offense. We have a mobile QB that must be accounted for. During TreVeyon Henderson's 65-yard touchdown run in 2025, Drake was clocked at 20.58 mph. That requires faster linebackers. I asked AI for the average size and weight of the Pats offensive editions in the offseason and it spit out about 6’3½” and 267–270 lbs. I assume linemen skew those numbers but Reggie Gilliam is 6’1” and 255 lbs. Julian Hill is 6’4” and 251 lbs. Their blocking skills are something this team has been missing for a long time. Eli Raridon is 6’6” and 251 with a lot of room to fill out. Lomu is not known for his blocking. I see eventually being out starting LT and Campbell moving the LG or RT. But Dametrious Crownover excites me because even as a rookie he can contribute immediately as a run-blocker, especially in heavy or goal-line packages at 6'7" and 336 lbs.

Even with AJ Brown, I think this offense looks totally different from last year. It has the potential to be the deep shot offense again, and I think Drake will continue to push the call downfield, but the play action will come a lot easier. The goal in the offseason was to become a brute force team and run the other team over by knocking the absolute crap out of them. Vrabel's defense was violent last year. It was so much fun to watch it in the playoffs, but the offense was not that way. I think they really addressed it. It should show as we get late into games when the smaller defenses are worn out. It should also show late into the playoffs when weather becomes a factor and we can only run the ball.
I recall Belichick talking about this and the change is primarily due to the evolution of the college game, which also made guys with that body type more rare since big bodied players who are athletic are so few and far between. So there are fewer of those guys coming out that can play at the NFL level. That was one of the things that made Hightower so unique. I think a lot of people forget just how good he really was.

And agree on the fact they're trying to get bigger and stronger on offense. There were a lot of short-yardage situations last year they failed to convert, and the fact they couldn't get one-yard when they needed it on the ground was frustrating. Hopefully some of the changes we've seen this offseason will help, because they'll need to be better about that this season.
 
I recall Belichick talking about this and the change is primarily due to the evolution of the college game, which also made guys with that body type more rare since big bodied players who are athletic are so few and far between. So there are fewer of those guys coming out that can play at the NFL level. That was one of the things that made Hightower so unique. I think a lot of people forget just how good he really was.

And agree on the fact they're trying to get bigger and stronger on offense. There were a lot of short-yardage situations last year they failed to convert, and the fact they couldn't get one-yard when they needed it on the ground was frustrating. Hopefully some of the changes we've seen this offseason will help, because they'll need to be better about that this season.
Short yardage has been an issue for the Pats most of the last few seasons. Hopefully, they’ve solved it.
 
I recall Belichick talking about this and the change is primarily due to the evolution of the college game, which also made guys with that body type more rare since big bodied players who are athletic are so few and far between. So there are fewer of those guys coming out that can play at the NFL level. That was one of the things that made Hightower so unique. I think a lot of people forget just how good he really was.

And agree on the fact they're trying to get bigger and stronger on offense. There were a lot of short-yardage situations last year they failed to convert, and the fact they couldn't get one-yard when they needed it on the ground was frustrating. Hopefully some of the changes we've seen this offseason will help, because they'll need to be better about that this season.
really hope Wilson brings something more to the Center spot... Bradbury was serviceable, but that was about it... with (a healthy) AVT and Onwenu in the middle, they should have enough beef → 308 - 310 - 350 respectively, to move just about any pile...
 
really hope Wilson brings something more to the Center spot... Bradbury was serviceable, but that was about it... with (a healthy) AVT and Onwenu in the middle, they should have enough beef → 308 - 310 - 350 respectively, to move just about any pile...
Exactly this.. I've made mention that early Last camp Perillo was reporting how Wilson was taking starting C snaps.. what I believe transpired is cole strange was getting beat all camp so Wilson was moved to LG and Bradbury At C.. I starting wanting more out the C position post that Bengals game and that awful goal line operation..
 
Great post-thoughts @imahobgoblin

Intriguing..,,

One of the things that made BB great was that he zigged when the others zagged. Most infamous: Played -drafted 3-4 D until others caught on; then switched to 4-3 in a draft w no warning & played that for years.

Your post makes me think that what BB did on D; Vrabes-McDaniels could be doing on O. The Dolts rule changes & league inconsistent and tilted to overhyped star QBs rule enforcement drove changes. Everyone wants to build the next greatest show on turf.

Maybe a stick it down your throat by running through your chest & then whip out a 40-yard bomb while you are reeling is what they are trying for. At least that is my take from your research & suggestions.
 
I recall Belichick talking about this and the change is primarily due to the evolution of the college game, which also made guys with that body type more rare since big bodied players who are athletic are so few and far between. So there are fewer of those guys coming out that can play at the NFL level. That was one of the things that made Hightower so unique. I think a lot of people forget just how good he really was.

And agree on the fact they're trying to get bigger and stronger on offense. There were a lot of short-yardage situations last year they failed to convert, and the fact they couldn't get one-yard when they needed it on the ground was frustrating. Hopefully some of the changes we've seen this offseason will help, because they'll need to be better about that this season.

Spikes was in the bigger mold too. Was he as good as HT? No way…
 
Spikes was in the bigger mold too. Was he as good as HT? No way…
Check this out PBP- Brett Beilema, Gabe Jacas' college coach, was doing an interview with Phil Perry of NBC Sports Boston.. said the guy is so strong he inadvertently hit an OT in the helmet with his bare hands and concussed him. Like wow! WTF.. we got a gem here..
 
I recall Belichick talking about this and the change is primarily due to the evolution of the college game, which also made guys with that body type more rare since big bodied players who are athletic are so few and far between. So there are fewer of those guys coming out that can play at the NFL level. That was one of the things that made Hightower so unique. I think a lot of people forget just how good he really was.

And agree on the fact they're trying to get bigger and stronger on offense. There were a lot of short-yardage situations last year they failed to convert, and the fact they couldn't get one-yard when they needed it on the ground was frustrating. Hopefully some of the changes we've seen this offseason will help, because they'll need to be better about that this season.
 
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Vrabel tends to like his ILB’s 240, preferably less… small and fast. It makes sense, the league shifted to more passing so you need more speed on the field.
 
Solid thread. I have felt for a few years now that the league is really primed to be taken advantage of defensively in the run game. If the Pats can run violently and consistently, but also be a true threat with the deep pass where the safeties need to back up, plus Drake being a mobile QB - I just don’t know how you can game plan effectively against that. Seems like almost every defense would be forced to leave a glaring weakness exposed.
 
For this season I see our OL improving to Average or slightly above, and together with the additions of AVT-Gilliam-Hill-Jam, our run game will improve. By 2027 all our young lineman will be 24-25 and stronger/heavier/experienced - it will be a great line.
 
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For this season I see our OL improving to Average or slightly above, and together with the additions of AVT-Gilliam-Hill-Jam, our run game will improve. By 2027 all our young lineman will be 24-25 and stronger/heavier/experienced - it will be a great line.
We need a new mobile RG and RT so we can add a more diverse running game including screens. I assume the RT is on the team already and will be phased in this year or next (like you point out).
 
We need a new mobile RG and RT so we can add a more diverse running game including screens. I assume the RT is on the team already and will be phased in this year or next (like you point out).
Screens didn't work to the left side either.
 
If the Pats can run violently and consistently, but also be a true threat with the deep pass where the safeties need to back up, plus Drake being a mobile QB - I just don’t know how you can game plan effectively against that. Seems like almost every defense would be forced to leave a glaring weakness exposed.

The key is getting a mismatch and being able to exploit it. For that you ideally need three dual-threat instruments:

1. A QB who can both throw deep and run well (and is also comfortable throwing to all parts of the field) - check
2. RBs that can also catch passes, and at least one with top-end speed so they have to keep a safety back - check
3. TEs (preferably two or more) that can both block well and run routes/catch well - check.
 
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