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One-If-By-Sea · Jun 23, 2026

rkarp1 said:
final say was spoken by Bill

I think everyone agrees for the first 20 years, Bill had final say. After that, as Bill was failing, Kraft clawed back some control, how much no-one knows.

You have final say over what you post on this message board. You should stop spamming the board with AI rubbish that is complete BS. You have final say over that.

Wozzy · Jun 23, 2026

rkarp1 said:
waiting for Wozzy to post the above is word salad and no one could understand it
in 1....2...3....

It’s AI slop…

Kraft granted Bill full autonomy, he took it away in 2021
when he announced collaboration after hiring Wolf.

Wozzy · Jun 23, 2026

rkarp1 said:
final say was spoken by Bill

You don’t understand how contract or legal matters work.

The owner isn’t signing full control of his team over to anyone. Don’t be daft.

rkarp1 · Jun 23, 2026

Wozzy said:
You don’t understand how contract or legal matters work.

The owner isn’t signing full control of his team over to anyone. Don’t be daft.

final clause say vs owner veto
learn to read before posting
please

Wozzy · Jun 23, 2026

Huckleberry1 said:
Once again, when challenged to provide proof of your claims you respond with weak **** like this.

I provide links and facts. You provide “because I said so” and emotions.

But I’m sure we can take the word of two unrepentant BB haters like Rkarp and Huckleberry.

Bill had full control over personnel until Kraft said it was changing in 2021.

Wozzy · Jun 23, 2026

rkarp1 said:
final clause say vs owner veto
learn to read before posting
please

You never provided a copy of Bill’s contract.

Please provide the link to the legal document.

Wozzy · Jun 23, 2026

Crickets….

rkarp1 · Jun 23, 2026

Wozzy said:
Crickets….

Bill saying he would give up final approval if he could survive his **** season isn't enough for you?

Wozzy · Jun 23, 2026

rkarp1 said:
Bill saying he would give up final approval if he could survive his **** season isn't enough for you?

A reporter asked him if he was willing to change, he said he was willing to do anything to help the team win. He already had given up personnel. The writing was on the wall at that point, he knew he was already gone.

It took him a year after he left, a full length documentary slamming his contributions and the Krafts sht talking him in the media before he responded. He was clearly taking the high road.

rkarp1 · Jun 23, 2026

Wozzy said:
A reporter asked him if he was willing to change, he said he was willing to do anything to help the team win. He already had given up personnel. The writing was on the wall at that point, he knew he was already gone.

It took him a year after he left, a full length documentary slamming his contributions and the Krafts sht talking him in the media before he responded. He was clearly taking the high road.

why did you skip the part where he said he had final say?

Wozzy · Jun 23, 2026

rkarp1 said:
why did you skip the part where he said he had final say?

Bill literally told us in an interview a year after he left personnel had changed his last few years here… why do you ignore that?

rkarp1 · Jun 23, 2026

Wozzy said:
Bill literally told us in an interview a year after he left personnel had changed his last few years here… why do you ignore that?

not ignoring
there were enough leaks and comments to understand Bill was no longer a 1 man show
the days of his scouts leaving because they served no purpose were done and over
teamwork was the goal, with or without Bill
that said, Bill still had final say and full authority, which he said at the end.
sorry

sb1 · Jun 23, 2026

rkarp1 said:
not ignoring
there were enough leaks and comments to understand Bill was no longer a 1 man show
the days of his scouts leaving because they served no purpose were done and over
teamwork was the goal, with or without Bill
that said, Bill still had final say and full authority, which he said at the end.
sorry

Yes it's not that much of a stretch to think Bill both consulted with a collaboration and he had final say. It's not like they took a vote in the draft room and winner prevailed.

rkarp1 · Jun 23, 2026

sb1 said:
Yes it's not that much of a stretch to think Bill both consulted with a collaboration and he had final say. It's not like they took a vote in the draft room and winner prevailed.

can an assumption be made that while Bill acknowledged collaboration, he also ignored collaboration, which is the reason he was let go?

Wozzy · Jun 23, 2026

rkarp1 said:
not ignoring
there were enough leaks and comments to understand Bill was no longer a 1 man show
the days of his scouts leaving because they served no purpose were done and over
teamwork was the goal, with or without Bill
that said, Bill still had final say and full authority, which he said at the end.
sorry

It wasn’t a leak or a rumor.

Bob Kraft announced personnel was no longer under Bill’s comtrol at the owners meeting entering 2021.

Instead of tip toeing around the truth why don’t you just admit I was correct and you were wrong? Oh yeah, you never admit when you’re wrong.

moosekill · Jun 23, 2026

rkarp1 said:
wow
impressive
you beat Wozzy top the punch

Then stop posting crap, its over move on, no one gives a **** anymore.

Rob0729 · Jun 23, 2026

One-If-By-Sea said:
I think everyone agrees for the first 20 years, Bill had final say. After that, as Bill was failing, Kraft clawed back some control, how much no-one knows.

You have final say over what you post on this message board. You should stop spamming the board with AI rubbish that is complete BS. You have final say over that.

I agree that no one knows how much control Belichick gave up, but does anyone truly believe Belichick would have given up final say on personnel without trying to get Kraft to trade him or release him from his contract? The same guy who in the final years put Patricia and Judge in charge of the offense and had a bare bones coaching crew because he only wanted to work with guys he knew and trusted would also let Eliot Wolf force players on him that he really didn't want without his input? I don't buy it.

And I don't care what Belichick says publicly. Nor Kraft. Especially after the fact. It is far easier to blame others for mistakes than take responsibility for your own.

sb1 · Jun 23, 2026

Bill still had full control even if he consulted with a collaboration. Howe even reported that the "collaboration" fell apart in 2022.

Why Bill Belichick abandoned hope of landing NFL job, pursuit of wins record

Belichick realized he was going to be a long shot in the next NFL hiring cycle. "He burned a lot of bridges over his career."

www.nytimes.com

Which makes sense. Highly doubtful any collaboration group who had any meaningful say whatsoever would have allowed Bill to hire Matt Patricia as his offensive coordinator. That ought to tell you right there that there is no doubt at all Bill had full control.

Family · Jun 23, 2026

What difference does it make the exact date Bill lost total control?

The drafts sucked for years before that.

Bill was the greatest ever. But he lost his fastball.

sb1 · Jun 23, 2026

rkarp1 said:
can an assumption be made that while Bill acknowledged collaboration, he also ignored collaboration, which is the reason he was let go?

Possible. I think 4-13 was the end though.

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