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Barmore has no guaranteed money after this season. His situation in 2027 will be similar to that of Onwenu this year. Barmore will be contracted for $18M in 2027 and $19M in 2028. The team will likely negotiate with Barmore and decide whether they can find a way to keep this very valuable player. I doubt that the team will consider him to be worth $18M. I also think that the team values Barmore much, much more than many of our posters.

We have a strong DL without a real NT, but still a very strong group.

A healthy Barmore should show us just how good the DL is.
 
Barmore is an above-average 3-tech with some versatility, and some elite flashes. He has had health issues (blood clots), personal issues, maturity issues, and motivation/consistency issues. He is still only 26.

Barmore could be extended, traded, or even cut after 2026. How he handles this year will go a long way in determining how much of a key piece he is under Vrabel.
 
I do think this is a make or break year for him and he will be around for the duration of the season. However, he is also a potential trade chip, as the team can move his guaranteed salary and get solid cap relief while also likely getting a somewhat decent pick in return since he still has 3 seasons left on his contract. If Vrabel feels like another player (i.e. Durden) is outperforming Barmore in camp, he may be inclined to make a trade. I don't find that likely, though.
 
He is redundant to Williams and I think it's his last season unless he pull another Lorenzo Alexander type season out of his ass. This seems to be a disturbing trend in the NFL where players have a fluke season and then get paid a ton of money only to revert back to being pedestrian.

Money needs to be allocated elsewhere.
 
He is redundant to Williams and I think it's his last season unless he pull another Lorenzo Alexander type season out of his ass. This seems to be a disturbing trend in the NFL where players have a fluke season and then get paid a ton of money only to revert back to being pedestrian.

Money needs to be allocated elsewhere.
You already said Williams is overpaid, so should we get rid of both of these bums?

You're Pathetic.

Buh Bye
 
I do think this is a make or break year for him and he will be around for the duration of the season. However, he is also a potential trade chip, as the team can move his guaranteed salary and get solid cap relief while also likely getting a somewhat decent pick in return since he still has 3 seasons left on his contract. If Vrabel feels like another player (i.e. Durden) is outperforming Barmore in camp, he may be inclined to make a trade. I don't find that likely, though.
ff Durden is better than Barmore in 2026, it still doesn't help the team's 2026 prospects to trade Barmore.

Durden being better this year would make the team even stronger up front.
 
Reading these comments makes one realize how little
some fans understand how big guys inside create the opportunities for smaller guys on the edge and behind the line capitalize on.

Some think anyone can do these jobs inside as well as another and any big guy will do. Some fans think football is only about fantasy football positions.

Barmore is a massive reason they had a top defense last year and every year he’s been healthy. If he suddenly disappears, you would realize just how average Durden and the rest really are. Like Kyle Love without Wilfork next to him. If Barmore disappears you need to find a first round blue chip DT to play there instead.

Barmore and Williams together was a force, one without the other gets double teamed on every down and disappears entirely.
 
Reading these comments makes one realize how little
some fans understand how big guys inside create the opportunities for smaller guys on the edge and behind the line capitalize on.

Some think anyone can do these jobs inside as well as another and any big guy will do. Some fans think football is only about fantasy football positions.

Barmore is a massive reason they had a top defense last year and every year he’s been healthy. If he suddenly disappears, you would realize just how average Durden and the rest really are. Like Kyle Love without Wilfork next to him. If Barmore disappears you need to find a first round blue chip DT to play there instead.

Barmore and Williams together was a force, one without the other gets double teamed on every down and disappears entirely.

If they didn't resign him (praying they do), I'm sure we would be hearing "Need to sign a FA VET ASAP!"...and the likes of dogchow would be mentioned or even better Keion White! LOL.
 
Sigh.....the fact I even have to go through this exercise is quite troubling.

Going into the season, NFL execs ranked the top 10 DT's in the NFL. 21 DT's received votes. Where do you think Barmore ranked in those votes? He didn't.


But wait, those execs doesn't know what they are talking about! PFF will save the day because he was amazing and the Pats had a top ranked defense! Barmore doesn't even rank in their top 20 DT's after the 2025 season.


That's impossible! Barmore gets double teamed!!!! Reality: He was only double teamed 2% more in 2025 than during his career year in 2023 when he had absolutely no help around him. So the 2% jump in double team % and a $100M DT next to him along with the veteran Landry and better secondary caused his production to plummet? Lol. Some of you guys have no idea what you are talking about.


Now let's see what what the media thought of Barmore after the season:

"But his play didn't live up to the potential that the 26-year-old possesses"

"Playing alongside Milton Williams, he didn't fill the "robin"-type role that people expected for him. He only had two sacks, coming nearly two years after a hefty contract extension (four years, up to $92 million) he signed in 2024. That also doesn't take into the account the blood clots he was diagnosed with that forced him to the sideline for most of that season."


"Since then, however, it's been all downhill for Barmore, and ESPN thinks he may be sent packing by the Patriots.

"The Patriots would definitely need to find an on-field replacement for Barmore's interior pass-rushing skills. Last season, he had 11 quarterback hits and two sacks. However, Barmore is facing an assault and battery charge, and New England might want to make a change and focus more on improving on the edge."

"As ESPN noted, Barmore had a mediocre season in 2025, recording only two sacks and 11 quarterback hits."



"Then there’s Barmore. Even at 26, there are reasons to believe his best football has been played, too.

Barmore has a history of knee injuries recently overshadowed by his battle with blood clots. He failed to tally a single pressure in the Super Bowl. He had two sacks in the regular season, when his run defense was often problematic. He genreated several quick pressures but also failed to record as much as quarterback hit in seven of eight games during one midseason stretch; a dry spell Wolf noted this week in an answer about whether Barmore is the type of player in whom the Patriots should be investing.


Mike Reiss named 3 players the Pats will have to make a decision on early this offseason. If Barmore was that good, Reiss wouldn't even mention him - even with the bogus assault charge. Many here were irate with the mention of Diggs being cut....he got cut. Some also get triggered if you mentioned anything negative about Owenu - he took a pay cut. Barmore was the lone survivor:

"For example, receiver Stefon Diggs' salary cap charge increases from $9.5 million to $26.5 million, and his base salary spikes from $2.9 million to $20.6 million. Defensive tackle Christian Barmore is due $10 million guaranteed if he's on the roster on the third day of the league year. Right guard Mike Onwenu's base salary bumps to $16 million and his cap charge to $25 million, and he has no remaining guaranteed money on his deal.

Vrabel addressing Barmore's frustrations not being able to get to the QB:



Oh yeah, Barmore also got benched by Vrabel for a quarter to "protect the team".

"I just had to make a decision. My job is to protect the team," Vrabel said of benching Barmore. "So when there are actions that I don’t feel like are commensurate with what we want to do here, I gotta make a decision. And we move on."


In a month we'll see where he ranks among NFL execs going into the 2026 season. In the meantime...do better guys.
 
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He's good enough to keep, disappointing enough to let go. If he can be replaced with a draftee at some point, perhaps someone with al little upside, certainly someone cheaper for a few years, so be it.
 
The 2025 Patriots won the most games in the NFL. The defense carried the offense through the playoffs.

“Patriots defensive starters suck.” - Negative Nancy’s

Sounds legit…
 
Sigh.....the fact I even have to go through this exercise is quite troubling.

Going into the season, NFL execs ranked the top 10 DT's in the NFL. 21 DT's received votes. Where do you think Barmore ranked in those votes? He didn't.


But wait, those execs doesn't know what they are talking about! PFF will save the day because he was amazing because the Pats had a top ranked defense! Barmore doesn't even rank in their top 20 DT's after the 2025 season.


That's impossible! Barmore gets double teamed!!!! Reality: He was only double teamed 2% more in 2025 than during his career year in 2023 when he had absolutely no help around him. So the 2% jump in double team % and a $100M DT next to him along with the veteran Landry and better secondary caused his production to plummet? Lol. Some of you guys have no idea what you are talking about.


Now let's see what what the media thought of Barmore after the season:

"But his play didn't live up to the potential that the 26-year-old possesses"

"Playing alongside Milton Williams, he didn't fill the "robin"-type role that people expected for him. He only had two sacks, coming nearly two years after a hefty contract extension (four years, up to $92 million) he signed in 2024. That also doesn't take into the account the blood clots he was diagnosed with that forced him to the sideline for most of that season."


"Since then, however, it's been all downhill for Barmore, and ESPN thinks he may be sent packing by the Patriots.

"The Patriots would definitely need to find an on-field replacement for Barmore's interior pass-rushing skills. Last season, he had 11 quarterback hits and two sacks. However, Barmore is facing an assault and battery charge, and New England might want to make a change and focus more on improving on the edge."

"As ESPN noted, Barmore had a mediocre season in 2025, recording only two sacks and 11 quarterback hits."



"Then there’s Barmore. Even at 26, there are reasons to believe his best football has been played, too.

Barmore has a history of knee injuries recently overshadowed by his battle with blood clots. He failed to tally a single pressure in the Super Bowl. He had two sacks in the regular season, when his run defense was often problematic. He genreated several quick pressures but also failed to record as much as quarterback hit in seven of eight games during one midseason stretch; a dry spell Wolf noted this week in an answer about whether Barmore is the type of player in whom the Patriots should be investing.


Mike Reiss named 3 players the Pats will have to make a decision on early this offseason. If Barmore was that good, Reiss wouldn't even mention him - even with the bogus assault charge. Many here were irate with the mention of Diggs being cut....he got cut. Some also get triggered if you mentioned anything negative about Owenu - he took a pay cut. Barmore was the lone survivor:

"For example, receiver Stefon Diggs' salary cap charge increases from $9.5 million to $26.5 million, and his base salary spikes from $2.9 million to $20.6 million. Defensive tackle Christian Barmore is due $10 million guaranteed if he's on the roster on the third day of the league year. Right guard Mike Onwenu's base salary bumps to $16 million and his cap charge to $25 million, and he has no remaining guaranteed money on his deal.

Vrabel addressing Barmore's frustrations not being able to get to the QB:



Oh yeah, Barmore also got benched by Vrabel for a quarter to "protect the team".

"I just had to make a decision. My job is to protect the team," Vrabel said of benching Barmore. "So when there are actions that I don’t feel like are commensurate with what we want to do here, I gotta make a decision. And we move on."


In a month we'll see where he ranks among NFL execs going into the 2026 season. In the meantime...do better guys.

Whatever you do, don't mention that AJB has a gimpy knee.
 
Games missed due to knee injury: 1
According to Next Gen Stats (on the Internet, but you know that), AJB's % of the the time reaching 15 mph dropped from 29% in 2023 to 21% in 2025. It is only going to declince further in 2026 and 2027. According to Next Gen Stats, Romeo Doubs ran a max of about 21 mph in 2025, and according to Next Gen Stats, AJB ran a max of 19.5 mph in 2025. At this point Doubs is faster than AJB, but you alread knew that.

You have always been honest and open. If you want to say that AJB's cap hit is $7M this year and $11M next year so he is worth the drop in production, I might agree with you. But to say AJB with a stroller has only missed one game is ridiculous. Doubs is faster than AJB at this point. Please stop, I didn't think you were in the Cult of Verticality.
 
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To give Barmore a mild defense, we did hear that blood clots are very difficult to come back from.

BEAR IN MIND, I AM NOT A DOCTOR, JUST SOMEBODY WHO DID PREMED FOR TWO YEARS (ended up with political science and history degrees, go figure). But being on blood thinners likely means he is getting winded easier and he can't practice as hard or train as hard.

In short, the explosiveness his game relied on is likely permanently gone.
 
According to Next Gen Stats (on the Internet, but you know that), AJB's % of the the time reaching 15 mph dropped from 29% in 2023 to 21% in 2025. It is only going to declince further in 2026 and 2027. According to Next Gen Stats, Romeo Doubs ran a max of about 21 mph in 2025, and according to Next Gen Stats, AJB ran a max of 19.5 mph in 2025. At this point Doubs is faster than AJB, but you alread knew that.

You have always been honest and open. If you want to say that AJB's cap hit is $7M this year and $11M next year so he is worth the drop in production, I might agree with you. But to say AJB with a stroller has only missed one game is ridiculous. Doubs is faster than AJB at this point. Please stop, I didn't think you were in the Cult of Verticality.
According to Next Gen Stats, A.J. Brown recorded a 67-yard touchdown in the previous season (2024) with a speed of 21.05 MPH, the third-fastest speed of his career. His 2025 campaign saw him dealing with a hamstring injury that limited his explosive top-end speed compared to prior years.

He also dealt with the lowest yards per reception of his career and shortest average depth of target (11.9 yards) in 2025. It would be easy if you had an agenda to pin that on Brown, but the reality is Jalen Hurts averaged the lowest yards per pass attempt of his entire career, lower than his rookie season. And before you bother, Dallas Goedert suffered through the lowest yards per reception of his career also, and DeVonta Smith his third lowest.

You're desperately blaming Brown while ignoring Hurt's regression as a downfield passer and Brown's hamstring... which had nothing to do with his knee.

Brown ran a 4.5 forty exiting college, pretty fast for a 226 pound college WR, but not absurd... and his game is not predicated on pure speed. Drake Maye will throw downfield, Brown will go get it. He's not catching passes from Jalen Hurts anymore.
 

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