Patriots Rumor A.J. Brown trade rumors heat up - Should Patriots get him?

TheRainMaker said:

Well, only 5 QB's have won more than one title in the last 30 years: Brady, Big Ben, Peyton and Eli Manning and Mahomes. That's extremely small company. We'd be lucky if Maye even wins one. You take it when you can and worry about the future later. I'm not saying to sign overpriced FA's and trade a bunch of picks for an overpaid player. However, there will be a point in time like now where they have to invest in critical positions like the OL. They will be going down a very bad path if they don't.

And to clarify, I don't care for AJ Brown. That ship sailed many years ago.

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Crazy Patriot Guy said:

They should continue to invest in the OL through the draft, zero disagreement from me. And if there is an obvious upgrade available via trade right now, I'm all ears, though I haven't seen anything.

Beyond that, what investment in the OL are we talking about?

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TheRainMaker said:

They won 6 Super Bowl's because their QB was Tom Brady who played at a unattainable level for almost 20 years. They had a HC who was considered arguably the best defensive mind/strategist the NFL has ever seen in BB. When the Pats needed to make moves, Bill made them via draft, trade and FA's (most of the time). They are an apples to oranges comparison with the rest of the league. They are a complete aberration of the salary cap era and should not be followed as an example.

However, the point is that many teams play for a future that don't even know what it entails. In fact, history has already given them their answer. In your example, the Rams haven't won a Super Bowl since 1999. You don't think what they did in 2021 was worth it? They've drafted well since, yet haven't won anything in 5 years now. Their window with Stafford is closing.

The 2000's Rams couldn't draft for **** and neglected the OL. Nobody thought they'd be one and done after 1999 with that core group of players.

The most valuable franchise in the NFL can't even get to an NFCCG since 1995. What future are they playing for exactly?

The 49ers haven't won since 1994 and had two windows that were squandered by arrogance. Their roster is bare now.

John Elway with Terrell Davis was never going to win a Super Bowl had the Broncos not landed Neil Smith, lucking out on Rod Smith emerging at WR and..... cheating the salary cap.

Packers were never going to win in the 1990's had they Cowboys not imploded and they landed Reggie White in FA. Ron Wolf struggled badly after they won in 1996. Aaron Rodgers would've won at least two more rings had the Packers taken things more seriously.

The Colts had a damn good QB in Andrew Luck, but the Colts neglected the OL and defense so badly it forced Luck to retire early.

The Chiefs are at the same crossroads the Pats were at in 2008 with their roster taking a nosedive and QB coming off a serious injury. It is not a guarantee Mahomes has the same drive Tom Brady had and takes his conditioning to another level. It is also not a guarantee KC lands a once in generation TE in Gronk to get them over the hump.

There are many examples of squandered opportunities by NFL teams playing for the future.

See the Andrew Luck case above. OL is the #1 priority at minimum. Again, you're assuming the Patriots are going to win multiple championships when the only teams with multiple titles in the last 30 years are Pats (6), Rams (2), Packers (2), Chiefs (3), Ravens (2), Eagles (2), Broncos (3), Giants (2), Steelers (2), Seahawks (2), Bucs (2).

Only the Pats, Chiefs, Giants and Steelers won multiple titles with many of the same players. The correlation is that majority of the teams with multiple titles won in different eras with different coaches and players. Nothing in the NFL is guaranteed and you need to take advantage of it while you can. If you don't address weaknesses early on, more weaknesses will emerge making it too difficult to overcome. See the Bills who know have needs almost everywhere.

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Huckleberry1 said:

Don't have much time to respond to this but again I disagree, and using failures to make your point, as opposed to modelling on those who won multiple Super Bowls makes little sense to me. The 2 dynasties of this century had great coaches and quarterbacks, and didn't go all in to win 1 Lombardi, they put themselves in position year after year to have a chance at winning because they know that you can have the best team in football and still not win a Lombardi. E.g..2007 Patriots.

Try showing examples of teams who went all in and won, if you can?

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TheRainMaker said:

This is easy. The 2020 Bucs, 2021 Rams, 2024 Eagles and 2025 Seahawks are pretty recent examples of teams being aggressive building a team to win the Super Bowl. Three of those teams made a big move signing or trading for a QB for starters. Eagles signed Barkley to the biggest contract for RB's. All of these teams had a choice not sign these older/more expensive veterans and continue do what didn't work previously. Bucs are doing okay, Rams are still in title contention and the Eagles still in the hunt. Seahawks are TBD.

There will be a point in time where you have to make a big move while you have a window open. It is not a guarantee Maye ever has the opportunity he just had.

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TheRainMaker said:

This is easy. The 2020 Bucs, 2021 Rams, 2024 Eagles and 2025 Seahawks are pretty recent examples of teams being aggressive building a team to win the Super Bowl. Three of those teams made a big move signing or trading for a QB for starters. Eagles signed Barkley to the biggest contract for RB's. All of these teams had a choice not sign these older/more expensive veterans and continue do what didn't work previously. Bucs are doing okay, Rams are still in title contention and the Eagles still in the hunt. Seahawks are TBD.

There will be a point in time where you have to make a big move while you have a window open. It is not a guarantee Maye ever has the opportunity he just had.

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patsinthesnow said:

AJ will be a pat in june

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Zuma said:

Today's show?! It was fantastic! BTW I have never listened or even know what a Felger looks like. Star for me.

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Huckleberry1 said:

Watching clips of AJ Brown from last season convinced me that they shouldn't trade for him. He looked like Jay'lin Polk could cover him. They need receivers who can get open immediately, not one that is N''Keal Harry slow.

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PatsFan2 said:

A.J. Brown to New England is going to happen.

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Triumph said:

Terrible move.

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Rob0729 said:

Many people said the same thing about Randy Moss in the offseason of 2007.

Brown, like Moss was in 2006, is miserable where he is and frustrated with the offense. Brown may have been like Moss in 2006 and mailing in the effort because of it. There was a lot wrong with the Eagles offense last year way beyond any issues with Brown.

Many people believe that his lack of production last year was motivation issues over deteriorating skills. That is what happened with Moss in 2006. And other WRs in bad situations have mailed it in and then rebounded in a new situation. Look how George Pickens went from an average #1 WR in Pittsburgh to a top receiver in the league in Dallas.

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Rob0729 said:

Many people said the same thing about Randy Moss in the offseason of 2007.

Brown, like Moss was in 2006, is miserable where he is and frustrated with the offense. Brown may have been like Moss in 2006 and mailing in the effort because of it. There was a lot wrong with the Eagles offense last year way beyond any issues with Brown.

Many people believe that his lack of production last year was motivation issues over deteriorating skills. That is what happened with Moss in 2006. And other WRs in bad situations have mailed it in and then rebounded in a new situation. Look how George Pickens went from an average #1 WR in Pittsburgh to a top receiver in the league in Dallas.

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PatsFan2 said:

Don't tell The Patsfans experts that. What do A.J. Brown and George Pickens have in common?? Both could have been Drafted by the N.E. Patriots thank you BB.

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PatsFan2 said:

Don't tell The Patsfans experts that. What do A.J. Brown and George Pickens have in common?? Both could have been Drafted by the N.E. Patriots thank you BB.

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PatsFan2 said:

Don't tell The Patsfans experts that. What do A.J. Brown and George Pickens have in common?? Both could have been Drafted by the N.E. Patriots thank you BB.

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Crazy Patriot Guy said:

I wish we had a real GM all those years that never missed, like Howie Roseman.

I keep looking online but I can't find anything. Does anyone know when those former 1st round studs Andre Dillard and Jalen Reagor are getting inducted into the Eagles HOF?

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PatsFan2 said:

I will forward you the RSVP. FTR He blew it less than your Idol BB.

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