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How did he reach that point? I've gotten there with a couple of people, but normally those players are just a—holes.
I don’t know why I dislike him so much. Not that I am rooting for him to fail or get hurt or anything but the whole experience just annoyed me. I didn't like the pick from the start but kind of fell for some of the reassurance from draft Twitter and some on here that he would be a good pro so it was almost like I was let down twice lol. He just annoyed me with his "I have the best hands in the league" nonsense when Mayo basically tried to show a little tough love while still propping him up. I think, for me, he just became the human embodiment of the failure of 2024.

TBF, though, it helped bring the Mayo error to about as short an end as one could have expected, so there is that. . . . Imagine last year if Mayo had somehow gone, say, 7–10 in 2024 and convinced Kraft to give him one more year.
Really is crazy to think that the only thing we have to show for 2024 is Drake Maye. Certainly not nothing but nothing from the rest of the draft class did nothing. So many of the free agents and new deals for guys in 2024 were traded/released. It was basically like that entire season was erased with just Drake sneaking through.
 
Wolf holds some responsibility, but I have to guess it was very hard to sell free agents on the idea of playing for Mayo who very clearly had no idea what he was doing, to come move to Foxboro and pay higher taxes as well. It also seemed like Kraft may not have wanted to go "all in" with the cash for Mayo like he was for Vrabel who was more of a sure bet. In the draft, there's also a relationship - the front office needs to know what types of players to target from a scheme/personality fit standpoint, and I am sure Mayo was not giving much or any feedback in that regard, so Wolf was likely left to just wing it and clearly was reaching to draft for need, which as we know didn't work out.

I think it was much more the former than the latter, especially on offense, where nobody was coming just to play with Brissett.

They ended up giving the extensions that many have derided to show they weren't playing by BB's rules and because the spending floor basically required they spend some more $$$.
 
I think few people grasp that the "Mayo error" and Wolf having a really bad free agency cycle and draft, and then Vrabel coming on board and suddenly the draft and free agency are home runs, are not a coincidence.

Wolf holds some responsibility, but I have to guess it was very hard to sell free agents on the idea of playing for Mayo who very clearly had no idea what he was doing, to come move to Foxboro and pay higher taxes as well. It also seemed like Kraft may not have wanted to go "all in" with the cash for Mayo like he was for Vrabel who was more of a sure bet. In the draft, there's also a relationship - the front office needs to know what types of players to target from a scheme/personality fit standpoint, and I am sure Mayo was not giving much or any feedback in that regard, so Wolf was likely left to just wing it and clearly was reaching to draft for need, which as we know didn't work out.

It's not necessarily that Vrabel and Cowden magically taught Wolf how to do his job (although I am sure there was some level of that) but also that they actually allowed the team to become a marketable destination and helped guide the front office on what to target so everyone was operating in sync.
I agree
players having zero familiarity not only with Mayo, but the entire staff, and having no faith at all in Brissett.
we all see how much diversity Vrabels staff has, with reach to many, many teams/players.
 
Wasn't costing much to give him another shot. Though if he was cut tomorrow, I wouldn't be shocked by the Wolfstain.
Wolfstain sounds like some serious undead curse
 
Kraft just ran to the podium as soon as he knew Vrabel was available. Couldn't wait to fire mayo.

Wolf gotta be really lucky to still have a job after 2024 draft
 
He's been snake-bitten with injuries, which is really going to make this camp a make-or-break situation for him. Sort of crazy because he played opposite Fashanu at Penn State and was really good, it's not like he wasn't a talented player. While they might have wanted to transition him to left tackle (and he claimed he was comfortable with that after he was drafted), right tackle seems like where he could have fit. He just hasn't been able to stay healthy.

They still need depth at tackle, so he'll have that going for him if he can at least have a good camp. Noticed on the transaction report that Munford recently visited with Tennessee and remains out there. So if nothing else, Wallace might still be a depth guy, which they do need given that Munford hasn't been brought back and Lowe went to San Francisco.
Those may be key points. It looks like we are desperately thin at LT behind TRex.
 
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Mis allocation of resources imo
Drafted Wallace in the 3rd rd who played RT
Pats immediately tried to move him to LT
Something im almost always against. Step up in competition and a position change to boot.
He got injured came back did not play well then hes a guard. Caeden has talent he could have been learning from Moses all last year
He never got a fair shake. I trust the eval of this coaching staff but ida liked to see some looks before pats use a 1st or 2nd on the future RT. Value & all
All the coaches at Penn State preferred him as a guard and thought there was no way he could be a tackle at the next level. He played RT because of desperation from injuries. He stuck there because they decided not to move him but he was not any great shakes in college.

He is clearly a guard so it's no surprise at all that this is where Marrone put him. It's the right decision. But I don't expect him to make the roster regardless.
 
yet he is still here. the staff must see something?
was a 4 year starter at a big 10 school.
is he a versatile 8th or 9th low cost option for the OL?
The staff may just be worried that we're constantly cutting top 60 and top 90 draft picks (Polk and Layden Robinson) and it looks bad to let yet another guy go before his 3rd year.

Remember the days when Parcells had to grovel and apologize for taking Joe Burch in the 3rd round? And that was Parcells.

Imagine how the Krafts feel about this.
 
I'm rooting for Marcus Bryant and a Day 3 Rookie Tackle developing and being our Swing Tackles.
I’m rooting for whoever gets an opportunity and steps up to take advantage of it.

Bryant, Wallace, Day 3 rookie, UDFA, whoever it is isn’t important. To me a great part of this game and this team is seeing players grow and step up especially in demanding roles and moments.
 
So you’re rooting for Marcus Bryant and a round 4-7 OT rookie with a career 19 offense snaps between them to start at RT in case Moses gets injured. Got it.
Sure. If they can do the job why **** on them because of their draft level?

Would you **** on a sixth round QB just because they weren’t drafted until pick 199?
 
All the coaches at Penn State preferred him as a guard and thought there was no way he could be a tackle at the next level. He played RT because of desperation from injuries. He stuck there because they decided not to move him but he was not any great shakes in college.

He is clearly a guard so it's no surprise at all that this is where Marrone put him. It's the right decision. But I don't expect him to make the roster regardless.
I remember some scouts liking him at guard but all I heard from Penn state was that he could play LT just didnt cuz olu was there while the jets drafted. And he played LT then got hurt and when he came back he wasnt 100% and wasnt good. A worse version of what Campbell just went thru he just didnt get to play his natural position. Mockdraftable.com had Wallace rated closest to Jude bowry who im high on.
I get that im out on a limb here but maybe the nfl and its fans give up too soon.
 
I remember some scouts liking him at guard but all I heard from Penn state was that he could play LT just didnt cuz olu was there while the jets drafted. And he played LT then got hurt and when he came back he wasnt 100% and wasnt good. A worse version of what Campbell just went thru he just didnt get to play his natural position. Mockdraftable.com had Wallace rated closest to Jude bowry who im high on.
I get that im out on a limb here but maybe the nfl and its fans give up too soon.
It was the coaches who thought he can only play guard in the NFL. They wanted Shelton to take his position in his senior year and to move him to guard, but then Shelton got hurt. He had a bad junior year so they were ready to make the move.
 
That does nothing for me. Knowing someone on the previous PSU staff does everything. Scouts can say all they want. The day to day people around Wallace agreed 100% with Marrone.

This isn't the first time I said this.

I wrote this about Wallace on this board BEFORE the Patriots drafted him and I even pointed out what his own coaches had said about him. I also linked to a few articles in which the coaches were quoted as saying this by BlueWhiteIllustrated.

You may follow the Draftniks more, I would trust the coaches and Marrone more.
 
That does nothing for me. Knowing someone on the previous PSU staff does everything. Scouts can say all they want. The day to day people around Wallace agreed 100% with Marrone.

This isn't the first time I said this.

I wrote this about Wallace on this board BEFORE the Patriots drafted him and I even pointed out what his own coaches had said about him. I also linked to a few articles in which the coaches were quoted as saying this by BlueWhiteIllustrated.

You may follow the Draftniks more, I would trust the coaches and Marrone more.
fair enough.

There was lots and lots of interviews with the PSU coaches before the draft saying that he would make a fine NFL RT and could play LT if need be.

And I am not doubting that you posted that Wallace wasn't a RT.
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Do you have an clue what the current patriot coaching staff thinks regarding the future of Wallace? I don't.
 
fair enough.

There was lots and lots of interviews with the PSU coaches before the draft saying that he would make a fine NFL RT and could play LT if need be.

And I am not doubting that you posted that Wallace wasn't a RT.
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Do you have an clue what the current patriot coaching staff thinks regarding the future of Wallace? I don't.
No idea. I just think the fact that UDFAs were on the gameday roster ahead of him does not bode well. I was never a fan of his and was fairly shocked we took him so high. I view every single OL we've taken in (with exception of Campbell) last 2 years to be questionable. I know that's only Robinson, Wallace and Wilson but I certainly hope Wilson plays very well at Center next year, or we have a major problem here with assessing OL. I will start to believe that Mafi and Sow were our current evaluator's picks and not Belichick's if Wilson doesn't work out.
 
I'm not reading all this fkn nonsense about a guy that Wolfie drafted, that sucks.
It's pretty typical with him, so I turn my head and spit.
I was shocked to see this thread. Bah

If I had it MY WAY, I'd shove Wolfie in a fkn Locker before the draft.
 
So your rooting for Marcus Bryant and a round 4-7 OT rookie with a career 19 offense snaps between them to start at RT in case Moses gets injured. Got it.
I'll bet fingers and toes those two are better than Wallace...it's not that complicated.
 
I'll bet fingers and toes those two are better than Wallace...it's not that complicated.
We have a million examples of middle to late round draft picks developing into starters, but posters here still speak of it as being rare as a bigfoot sighting. I don’t get it?
 
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