PATRIOTS NEWS Schefter: Pats will be featured on 2027 Hard Knocks

JoeSixPat · Mar 31, 2026

203Pat said:
So disparaging homosexuality, other NBA players, and catholicism is freedom of speech but criticizing one of our players endorsing those views is the derogatory part? Got it.

Well said.

But I'll split the difference.

It's ok for TreVeyon and other players to be intolerant of Americans and say/imply that certain people and fans may be going to Hell for their beliefs....

And it's ok that there are fans and other people who believe that what TreVeyon is saying is Anti-American and that he may be going to Hell for HIS beliefs which strike me inconsistent with the teachings of Christ

Indeed, I don't know what his religion is, although sowing division, hatred, fear and intolerance strike me as closer to the Anti-Christ, and I'm sure we can all agree, is Anti-American.

But even if TreVeyon Henderson IS a Satan worshiper and opposed certain Americans, I still think he's got a right to say what he wants, whenever, wherever and however he wants

He has the right - but he just needs to accept that he's not going to have the support of REAL Christians, and he may find his words negatively impact his career, earnings and reputation when the time comes for a contract here or with another team, as at the very least I'm sure he's limited the teams that will take him now.

scott99 · Mar 31, 2026

Not a fan of the show, never really watched it.

scott99 · Mar 31, 2026

JoeSixPat said:
Well said.

But I'll split the difference.

It's ok for TreVeyon and other players to be intolerant of Americans and say/imply that certain people and fans may be going to Hell for their beliefs....

And it's ok that there are fans and other people who believe that what TreVeyon is saying is Anti-American and that he may be going to Hell for HIS beliefs which strike me inconsistent with the teachings of Christ

Indeed, I don't know what his religion is, although sowing division, hatred, fear and intolerance strike me as closer to the Anti-Christ, and I'm sure we can all agree, is Anti-American.

But even if TreVeyon Henderson IS a Satan worshiper and opposed certain Americans, I still think he's got a right to say what he wants, whenever, wherever and however he wants

He has the right - but he just needs to accept that he's not going to have the support of REAL Christians, and he may find his words negatively impact his career, earnings and reputation when the time comes for a contract here or with another team, as at the very least I'm sure he's limited the teams that will take him now.

People have to deal with the repercussions of making such statements. I know if I said that stuff at my job, I’d be fired. Then again, I would NEVER say such things, I’m all about people living their lives and doing what they want, as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone.

JoeSixPat · Mar 31, 2026

upstater1 said:
Treveyon may be featured since he stepped into it this morning over the Chicago Bulls cutting Ivey.

You should probably accomplish something in the NFL first and make yourself indispensable. Especially since you play for a team in a region full of Catholics and larger numbers of out people. You have every right to express your beliefs, but that works two ways and you should realize that.

That being said, I think Vrabel did a pretty good job of walking a fine line recognizing that, yeah, players DO have a right to express themselves and their views

Clearly Vrabel doesn't want that to get in the way of football - and clearly he doesn't think TreVeyon is an evil person even though he may have beliefs that many consider to be evil and anti-Christian

But I think he did a good job walking a fine line as coach

Henderson is still young so I think he's still learning and will realize that these divisive views will come back to bite him later - and maybe he doesn't care - but I do see the potential for him to become a source of negative energy for the team, even while Vrabel is trying to guide him back on a path where he's creating positive energy and not dividing the team and the fan base.

Statistically we know there's lots of gay guys in the NFL and on the Patriots just as there are everywhere (@10%) so he's alienating himself from 30 closeted guys on average on pretty much any of the team 90 man rosters.

Statistically we also know that 10% of NFL fans are gay. Ask Roger Goodell and the owners - and players - if they want to take a 10% pay cut by alienating a good chunk of their fan base (not to mention the 70% of Americans who support Gay Rights)

That doesn't strike me as great for camaraderie on a team or great for a fan base so Vrabel will have to navigate that too, as will any team that desires someonewho prides himself on creating evangelical divisions in the locker room.

Hugepatsfan · Mar 31, 2026

XLIX said:
And yet, that's exactly what the Bulls (and other teams for that matter) are doing which started this whole mess.

They are trying to force their beliefs on people who vehemently disagree with those beliefs.

Not really. No one is trying to force anyone to believe anything.

Think about it in these terms... imagine a waiter on a restaurant. He think homosexuality is a sin. Two guys walk in holding hands. He tells them they're sinning. Is it even a question that he'd be fired? Would anyone dispute that? He can believe whatever he believes, but he's effing up business, he's gotta go.

Jaden Ivey wasn't "at work" but he is a public figure who represents the Bulls in all that he does. People see what he posts and that impacts their reputation as a business. He's causing a headache for them that isn't worth dealing with for him to be a crappy player, so he's gone. I doubt too many people in their front office actually care about what he said and even fewer probably are invested at all in trying to force him to change his beliefs.

JoeSixPat · Mar 31, 2026

Hugepatsfan said:
Not really. No one is trying to force anyone to believe anything.

Think about it in these terms... imagine a waiter on a restaurant. He think homosexuality is a sin. Two guys walk in holding hands. He tells them they're sinning. Is it even a question that he'd be fired? Would anyone dispute that? He can believe whatever he believes, but he's effing up business, he's gotta go.

Jaden Ivey wasn't "at work" but he is a public figure who represents the Bulls in all that he does. People see what he posts and that impacts their reputation as a business. He's causing a headache for them that isn't worth dealing with for him to be a crappy player, so he's gone. I doubt too many people in their front office actually care about what he said and even fewer probably are invested at all in trying to force him to change his beliefs.

Right - and while I stand by the veterans who recommended that Colin Kaepernick show his concern about racism in America (which clearly was spot on) by kneeling (yeah - Veterans are the ones who recommended that as a way to show respect) - certain owners made the judgement call that he would be too much of a distraction among a portion of their fan base that doesn't recognize freedom of expression

So that entered into the equation and he never got another job

I don't agree with it but I do understand why it wasn't worth it for those teams to bring him in.

Any anti-gay players will have to accept the same consequence, that they're simply not worth the distraction any more than if they were anti-black anti-italian, anti-American etc.

Boogs · Mar 31, 2026

Hugepatsfan said:
Not really. No one is trying to force anyone to believe anything.

Think about it in these terms... imagine a waiter on a restaurant. He think homosexuality is a sin. Two guys walk in holding hands. He tells them they're sinning. Is it even a question that he'd be fired? Would anyone dispute that? He can believe whatever he believes, but he's effing up business, he's gotta go.

Jaden Ivey wasn't "at work" but he is a public figure who represents the Bulls in all that he does. People see what he posts and that impacts their reputation as a business. He's causing a headache for them that isn't worth dealing with for him to be a crappy player, so he's gone. I doubt too many people in their front office actually care about what he said and even fewer probably are invested at all in trying to force him to change his beliefs.

It's a fact that the Bulls, Pats, NBA and NFL (most pro teams in the USA) are trying to promote homosexuality and trans. We've even seen the Pats jump on the alphabet train. And that's what they and all the other teams push all the gay pride logos and gay/trans flags in the stadiums. I'm not surprised the Bulls fired Ivey. Corporate America and sports organizations work very hard and go to great lengths to promote, push or force this. However you want to say it. Firing Ivey was a way for the NBA to make an example out of Ivey. To tell other pro athletes you will lose your job if you say this particular sin , is a sin.

Jaden Ivey will be fine. He should continue to trust in God. The Lord will be with him and provide.

XLIX · Mar 31, 2026

Hugepatsfan said:
Not really. No one is trying to force anyone to believe anything.

Yeah, they kinda really are trying to force their beliefs on other people.

Whether you agree with it or not, you kinda look like a moron for denying the obvious.

Boogs · Mar 31, 2026

JoeSixPat said:
Right - and while I stand by the veterans who recommended that Colin Kaepernick show his concern about racism in America (which clearly was spot on) by kneeling (yeah - Veterans are the ones who recommended that as a way to show respect) - certain owners made the judgement call that he would be too much of a distraction among a portion of their fan base that doesn't recognize freedom of expression

So that entered into the equation and he never got another job

I don't agree with it but I do understand why it wasn't worth it for those teams to bring him in.

Any anti-gay players will have to accept the same consequence, that they're simply not worth the distraction any more than if they were anti-black anti-italian, anti-American etc.

If I remember right, Kaepernick still had offers after kneeling. I think he turned down one offer because he wanted more money. But can't remember the team. But he had at least one offer I'm sure of it.

Edit: The Broncos offers Kaepernick 7 million in 2016. He turned it down.

Hugepatsfan · Mar 31, 2026

XLIX said:
Yeah, they kinda really are trying to force their beliefs on other people.

Whether you agree with it or not, you kinda look like a moron for denying the obvious.

If you said they were trying to force people with unpopular beliefs to keep them to themselves, that would be accurate. No one with the Bulls is trying to force Jaden Ivey to change his views on homosexualty.

XLIX · Mar 31, 2026

Hugepatsfan said:
If you said they were trying to force people with unpopular beliefs to keep them to themselves, that would be accurate. No one with the Bulls is trying to force Jaden Ivey to change his views on homosexualty.

If you don't see how they are forcing their views on others, you are too stupid to continue this discussion with.

Hugepatsfan · Mar 31, 2026

XLIX said:
If you don't see how they are forcing their views on others, you are too stupid to continue this discussion with.

The only stupid one here is you for thinking that talking tough online behind a computer screen calling people stupid makes you any less of the whiny little ***** you are in life crying that people wanna make you gay.

XLIX · Mar 31, 2026

Hugepatsfan said:
The only stupid one here is you for thinking that talking tough online behind a computer screen calling people stupid makes you any less of the whiny little ***** you are in life crying that people wanna make you gay.

LOL!! ... imagine how triggered you would have been if I was trying.... that aside, just because you enjoy having things forced down your throat doesn't mean the rest of us do.

Teams shouldn't force partisan politics down our throats. It boggles the mind how many people disagree with that statement.

JoeSixPat · Mar 31, 2026

XLIX said:
If you don't see how they are forcing their views on others, you are too stupid to continue this discussion with.

Me thinks thou may protest a bit too much...

Is that you Mr. Nome?

upstater1 · Mar 31, 2026

JoeSixPat said:
That being said, I think Vrabel did a pretty good job of walking a fine line recognizing that, yeah, players DO have a right to express themselves and their views

Clearly Vrabel doesn't want that to get in the way of football - and clearly he doesn't think TreVeyon is an evil person even though he may have beliefs that many consider to be evil and anti-Christian

But I think he did a good job walking a fine line as coach

Henderson is still young so I think he's still learning and will realize that these divisive views will come back to bite him later - and maybe he doesn't care - but I do see the potential for him to become a source of negative energy for the team, even while Vrabel is trying to guide him back on a path where he's creating positive energy and not dividing the team and the fan base.

Statistically we know there's lots of gay guys in the NFL and on the Patriots just as there are everywhere (@10%) so he's alienating himself from 30 closeted guys on average on pretty much any of the team 90 man rosters.

Statistically we also know that 10% of NFL fans are gay. Ask Roger Goodell and the owners - and players - if they want to take a 10% pay cut by alienating a good chunk of their fan base (not to mention the 70% of Americans who support Gay Rights)

That doesn't strike me as great for camaraderie on a team or great for a fan base so Vrabel will have to navigate that too, as will any team that desires someonewho prides himself on creating evangelical divisions in the locker room.

It's hard to know what he was supporting though because the tweet he responded to was about a lot more things that gay issues. It was also about Catholics and other things. Apart from Patriots concerns, something is going on with that young man Ivey -- his mom is the Notre Dame women's basketball coach, so it makes no sense to attack like this.

upstater1 · Mar 31, 2026

XLIX said:
I don’t remember reading the part in the Constitution that says Freedom of Speech applies to NFL players only after they’ve “made themselves indispensable.”

If my business is baking cakes, I have a 1st amendment right not to make cakes for Catholic people. If my business is baking cakes and I have an employee who refuses to make cakes for my Catholic customers, I have the right to fire them.

What is difficult to understand?

n1997y · Mar 31, 2026

XLIX said:
And yet, that's exactly what the Bulls (and other teams for that matter) are doing which started this whole mess.

They are trying to force their beliefs on people who vehemently disagree with those beliefs.

Is it? Did they announce that? Or are you deciding it for them because that’s what you want to believe?

There are some alternative explanations that don’t involve the Bulls forcing beliefs contrary to Ivey’s beliefs on anyone.

They could easily have decided his play isn’t good enough to make them want to keep him, especially if he showed judgement they feel was poor by choosing to comment on social issues that will be controversial.

I think it’s been pretty consistently understood that teams, like many other employers, would prefer that high profile employees not take controversial public stands. That goes back at least to Kaepernick.

Was the NFL blackballing Kap also forcing beliefs that many people vehemently disagreed with? Or was that okay because you vehemently agree with those beliefs?

WhatJustHappened · Apr 1, 2026

ViperGTS said:
Oh I disagree. Who was that fat O line coach that was a riot? Or the very first time you saw the "TurK' in action? Nah, the early Hard Knocks was the first real chance to peak behind the curtain.

Sorry bruh, but NO.
Always been fkn garbage up yourassbullshit.

Fkn Joke $ for the Owners... again.
Greed knows no bounds. Bah

XLIX · Apr 1, 2026

upstater1 said:
If my business is baking cakes, I have a 1st amendment right not to make cakes for Catholic people.

No you don’t. Religion is a protected class under federal law. That would be no different than saying you have a right not to serve black people.

You can choose not to make certain types of cakes, but you can’t discriminate against a religion if, say, someone went to your establishment and wanted to buy a dozen already-made cup cakes

upstater1 said:
If my business is baking cakes and I have an employee who refuses to make cakes for my Catholic customers, I have the right to fire them.

What is difficult to understand?

Well, the very first thing you said was 100% wrong so you’ll have to forgive me if I don’t “understand” falsehoods.

XLIX · Apr 1, 2026

n1997y said:
Is it? Did they announce that?

As a matter of fact they did. They announced he was cut for “conduct detrimental to the team.”

Pay closer attention please.

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