Patriots Rumor A.J. Brown trade rumors heat up - Should Patriots get him?

PatsFan2 said:

They will have to Trade Brown to his preferred destination: and I think Vrabel and the Patriots are at the Top lucky us.

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I don’t think the Pats are getting him. They’re not going to pay the Eagles what they want and they’ll pivot to another team.

Give Kraft A Hand said:

I don’t think the Pats are getting him. They’re not going to pay the Eagles what they want and they’ll pivot to another team.

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No other team are willing to give the Eagles what they want. If they did, Brown would have been traded already. Roseman isn't giving the Patriots exclusive negotiation rights to Brown.

The Pats are most likely the highest bidder for Brown. It is not enough for Roseman today. It could be enough for him somewhere down the line this offseason.

PatsFan2 said:

I think AJ is worth a First Rounder or Two consecutive Second Rounders. I would pitch the latter to them if I was Vrabel.

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You think Justin Fields is worth #3 overall.

Forgive me if I don't share your value when it comes to players.

29 year old receiver who put up almost (not quite but almost) identical numbers to Stephon Diggs last year, making 30 million+ a year, is worth like a 3rd and a couple 6ths.

n1997y said:

You really think Sam made a second account nine years ago, posted over 5000 times, and nobody noticed? Lol.

Are you really Andy?

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No nobody has ever done that (sarcasm). Come on, I put the odds extremely high that they are one and the same. You can think differently fine, but to be so smug like there is no possibility is something. One thing I have never seen him due is deny it, maybe I missed it. Either way, they post like twins that is for damn sure.

Dec54 said:

Ever got anything positive to say Sam?

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n1997y said:

You really think Sam made a second account nine years ago, posted over 5000 times, and nobody noticed? Lol.

Are you really Andy?

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It's not a 2nd account it is the same one. Grogan14 is Sam under a new name, perhaps in a sardonic homage to Andy after not honoring the bet he lost. Dec54 isn't Andy, he's not argumentative enough and doesn't make enough spelling and grammatical errors. He may however be Diffs4...

Diffs4 said:

No nobody has ever done that (sarcasm). Come on, I put the odds extremely high that they are one and the same. You can think differently fine, but to be so smug like there is no possibility is something. One thing I have never seen him due is deny it, maybe I missed it. Either way, they post like twins that is for damn sure.

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Rob0729 said:

No other team are willing to give the Eagles what they want. If they did, Brown would have been traded already.

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Not necessarily. No matter whom the Eagles trade him to, it makes a lot of sense for them to do so after June 1.

maust said:

It's not a 2nd account it is the same one. Grogan14 is Sam under a new name, perhaps in a sardonic homage to Andy after not honoring the bet he lost. Dec54 isn't Andy, he's not argumentative enough and doesn't make enough spelling and grammatical errors. He may however be Diffs4...

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I disagree. Andy doesn't understand sarcasm.

XLIX said:

Not necessarily. No matter whom the Eagles trade him to, it makes a lot of sense for them to do so after June 1.

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If someone is offering them what they want, they are not going to risk that offer disappearing after June 1. The top of the draft have a lot of good WRs. If one drops to the team looking to trade for Brown, they may not be interested after June 1st. If someone is willing to give the Eagles a first and a second, Roseman is going to jump all over it. And if there was a team willing to give Roseman remotely what they want, we would have heard about it with all the reporting on this.

Plus, the Eagles have nearly $40 million in cap (according to Over the Top) or $45 million (according to Sportrac) and look to be pretty much done adding players. They could absorb the cap hit this year if they want to. With Goedert extended, the need to wait to June 1st is not as much of a priority as it once was. If the $45 million number is right, they could trade AJ Brown, trade for Greenard (with a simple renegotiation of his contract), sign their rookies, and still have money left over for emergencies.

TommyD4207 said:

I disagree. Andy doesn't understand sarcasm.

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I didn't mean to imply Sam administering a dope slap would be understood by the recipient, just saying it may have been an attempt at one. OFC if he really wanted to give a blatant tweak Sam's new name should have been... Andy Johnson

Rob0729 said:

If someone is offering them what they want, they are not going to risk that offer disappearing after June 1.

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Don’t be silly. Some team could easily say “we’ll give you our 2027 first rounder and we will happily wait until post June 1 to consummate the deal”.

Unless that team is Baltimore, there’s no real reason to think they would Welch out. Roseman knows who can be trusted and who can’t.

Rob0729 said:

Plus, the Eagles have nearly $40 million in cap (according to Over the Top) or $45 million (according to Sportrac) and look to be pretty much done adding players. They could absorb the cap hit this year if they want to.

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It’s a razor thin margin. His hit this year if they trade him before June 1 is $43 million.

According to your own numbers, that puts them over the cap (according to over the top) or leaves them with virtually no maneuvering room according to SporTrac.

XLIX said:

Don’t be silly. Some team could easily say “we’ll give you our 2027 first rounder and we will happily wait until post June 1 to consummate the deal”.

Unless that team is Baltimore, there’s no real reason to think they would Welch out. Roseman knows who can be trusted and who can’t.

It’s a razor thin margin. His hit this year if they trade him before June 1 is $43 million.

According to your own numbers, that puts them over the cap (according to over the top) or leaves them with virtually no maneuvering room according to SporTrac.

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So you are saying that if the Rams cut a deal with the Eagles for a June 1st trade of Brown and then Carnell Tate drops to them at 13, they are going to say "We have to pass on Tate even though he could be an elite WR for the next ten years because we have a commitment to the Eagles to trade for AJ Brown in six weeks"? Cmon! There is no such thing as a binding trade deal to consummate the trade three months later when it is convenient for one of the teams. Any team can back out of a deal like that for any reason.

If Roseman enters into a trade deal like this, he has to know it can go away for any reason and the other team would not be in the wrong. And any team that makes that agreement with Roseman has to know that Roseman could get a better offer and back out of the deal.

And to compare it to what Baltimore did with Maxx Crosby is silly. Crosby was in the Ravens facilities and even took a physical and then the Ravens used the BS excuse that he failed the physical which he couldn't pass because of his surgery as the reason to back out. Totally different situation.

According to Sportstrac, the Eagles would have about $25 million in cap space if they traded Brown today. His cap hit only increases by $20 million if traded by June 1. That would put them in the middle of the pack in cap space right now. About 16th in the league. They would be just fine.

I get you don't like me and you like to argue with me, but at least make arguments that make sense.

XLIX said:

Don’t be silly. Some team could easily say “we’ll give you our 2027 first rounder and we will happily wait until post June 1 to consummate the deal”.

Unless that team is Baltimore, there’s no real reason to think they would Welch out. Roseman knows who can be trusted and who can’t.

It’s a razor thin margin. His hit this year if they trade him before June 1 is $43 million.

According to your own numbers, that puts them over the cap (according to over the top) or leaves them with virtually no maneuvering room according to SporTrac.

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He’s currently a little over $23M on the cap, so replacing that with $43M dead money is “only” a $20M increase.

Rob0729 said:

No other team are willing to give the Eagles what they want. If they did, Brown would have been traded already. Roseman isn't giving the Patriots exclusive negotiation rights to Brown.

The Pats are most likely the highest bidder for Brown. It is not enough for Roseman today. It could be enough for him somewhere down the line this offseason.

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PHI WILL NOT TRADE BROWN UNTIL AFTER JUNE FIRST!!!

THEN, we will see what the competition is and how much PHI will get.

maust said:

I didn't mean to imply Sam administering a dope slap would be understood by the recipient, just saying it may have been an attempt at one. OFC if he really wanted to give a blatant tweak Sam's new name should have been... Andy Johnson

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That would have been a co great move.

mgteich said:

PHI WILL NOT TRADE BROWN UNTIL AFTER JUNE FIRST!!!

THEN, we will see what the competition is and how much PHI will get.

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Not good for Pats. Better to trade 26 first rounder
No way in hell I trade first or second rounder in 27.
I predict the trade to pats does not get done unless its done pre 2026 draft

mgteich said:

PHI WILL NOT TRADE BROWN UNTIL AFTER JUNE FIRST!!!

THEN, we will see what the competition is and how much PHI will get.

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I am still not sure about that. If they are not planning to make anymore moves, there is no downside for them trading now.

Waiting until June 1st devalues what they can get. The competition will be low in June because teams aren't going to wait post draft to fill their WR needs and many teams will be out of money to spend at that point. If Roseman is waiting until June 1 unless there is just no one willing to give him remotely close to a good deal, he is a far dumber negotiator than I thought he was. And I think he is a great negotiator.

It is actually in the Patriots' best interest for him to wait until after June 1st. They will have far more negotiating power at that point. And they could get him for a second or less.

Teams are not going to wait for Brown to come free after the draft. They can't. Most teams already think Brown to the Patriots are a done deal. They are not going to hold $20 million of cap space in order to hope they can outbid the Pats three months from now.

Sciz said:

He’s currently a little over $23M on the cap, so replacing that with $43M dead money is “only” a $20M increase.

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Ok I misunderstood that part but the bottom line is this:

Trade him before June 1 and he hits this yeats cap for $43 million.
Trade him post June 1 and he hits this year’s cap for about $16.5 million.

That’s a huge incentive to wait 2 1/2 months.

Grogan14 said:

Not good for Pats. Better to trade 26 first rounder
No way in hell I trade first or second rounder in 27.
I predict the trade to pats does not get done unless its done pre 2026 draft

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It is actually better for the Pats. Roseman loses his leverage in June. The Pats will have to give up far less if Brown is traded post June 1st.

I know the 2027 draft is supposed to be better than the 2026. But once June 1 rolls around, Roseman is most likely have to trade for Brown and the market for Brown will have dried up. Most of the teams that will be interested in Brown will draft a WR in the first or second round. Few teams will have saved the cap space to trade for him.

The Rams are likely going to use their first round pick (13) on a receiver. I would think the Ravens (14) will use their first round pick on a receiver. The Broncos and Bills traded for their WR. Who is left?

Rob0729 said:

It is actually better for the Pats. Roseman loses his leverage in June. The Pats will have to give up far less if Brown is traded post June 1st.

I know the 2027 draft is supposed to be better than the 2026. But once June 1 rolls around, Roseman is most likely have to trade for Brown and the market for Brown will have dried up. Most of the teams that will be interested in Brown will draft a WR in the first or second round. Few teams will have saved the cap space to trade for him.

The Rams are likely going to use one of their first round picks on a receiver. I would think the Ravens will use their first round pick on a receiver.

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But pats 27 picks in each round will likely be much better than 31

XLIX said:

Ok I misunderstood that part but the bottom line is this:

Trade him before June 1 and he hits this yeats cap for $43 million.
Trade him post June 1 and he hits this year’s cap for about $16.5 million.

That’s a huge incentive to wait 2 1/2 months.

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Alos, I believe that it has been reporting that PHI would prefer 2027 picks. His is Ok with his current picks.