Player Signing Romeo Doubs Signs

JayNM said:

30 points no, but 20? We only got it against Texans with about 6 turnovers

I mean, Bills hanged 30 on Denver, Rams 34 on the Seahawks

While I agree that the line was more af fault, it was evident that our offense looked trash against elite. Lack of a "playmaker" was clear

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With a 55% pressure rate in the SB I'm not sure a playmaker alone in that game would have made much difference, i'm not saying it wouldn't help overall but the O line was the major problem in the SB

DoubleDeluxe said:

Come on PF2.
Remember your WR criteria?
NO SMURFS!

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I know but I don't want to judge the guy off my Pop Douglas displeasure. I know this sounds crazy but Zachariah Branch gives me Deion Branch vibes through a tad shorter.

DoubleDeluxe said:

We all want to improve the WR corp even after the Doubs signing, but was it not our Oline play that really held us back in the playoffs?
Seemed that way to me.

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That’s part of it. The other part is the realization that even if the OLine didn’t play like absolute ass that the receivers weren’t getting any separation. So multiple problems and while the game is won in the trenches it’s extremely important to get Drake that target that he can go to.

DoubleDeluxe said:

We all want to improve the WR corp even after the Doubs signing, but was it not our Oline play that really held us back in the playoffs?
Seemed that way to me.

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Football is a team game and it also comes down to availabilty of players.

The OT class sucks. Only Braden Smith was arguably an upgrade over Moses at RT and he's an injury risk. Not to mention, the contract status of Moses with the dead money would have made this an EXPENSIVE cap hit for marginal upgrade. At LT, if you are just totally out on Will Campbell I guess you could argue there are some upgrades out there, but the team seems committed to him there based on his pre injury play.

At OG, Onwenu would have been the best one out there if we released him. So really no upgrade to be had there. They signed AVT who was probably the top Guard out there in terms of pure level of play, albeit with injury risk.

I just don't think there's really much else they could have done personnel wise at guard or tackle. At Center, you could argue that rather than just hand it over to Wilson they should have kept Bradbury or signed a replacement. They seem to like Wilson at his natural position though, so I give them the benefit of the doubt for now. I just don't see what was available for them to do (or still to do) on the OL personnel wise.

Football is a team game though. Better receivers means less complex defensive schemes with less guys in the box. That makes pass blocking and run blocking easier. It means easier reads for the QB so he can get the ball out quicker and avoid free rushers if they aren't disguised.

At this point, I think the only realistic way of improving the OL for next season is going to be indirectly via better receivers making it their job easier. The personnel upgrades at OL don't seem to be there and they just have to rely on internal improvement and trying to make things easier on the OL via improving other positions where the upgrades are more feasible based on what's out there and what we currently have.

This isn't addressed to you below... just a general observation I thought of while typing the above response...


It's very odd how people often pump up the importance of the OL and how they improve the rest of the offense but acts like that relationship only goes one way, and how the rest of the offense being better doesn't also improve the OL. It feels to me like there's one segment of "casual fans" who only look at WRs/fantasy box scores and in response to that a "need to be smarter than you" segment of fans developed who have to chop that down by harping on the importance of the trenches and act like only a less knowledgeable fan would ever want to improve a skill position over the less glamorous trenches. In the end, you just end up with two different groups spewing nonsense because neither is appreciating that football is a team game and all 11 guys on the field indirectly help (if they're good) or hurt (if they're bad) the other 10 guys on the field.

Give Kraft A Hand said:

That’s part of it. The other part is the realization that even if the OLine didn’t play like absolute ass that the receivers weren’t getting any separation. So multiple problems and while the game is won in the trenches it’s extremely important to get Drake that target that he can go to.

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We all know about our Left-side especially after Campbell's injury. But we still couln't find our WR's and TE's with a search warrant in the Playoffs. Have you see them missing so called weapons??

PatsFan2 said:

Those who live in glass house shouldn't throw stones...the Lions Top 3 WR's are centuries better than ours; spare me the Rubbish. Yess and Jameson Williams is a #1 WR but keep cheating yourself on his production and average because Romeo Doubs is a identical player.

Jameson Williams Career Stats - NFL - ESPN

Complete career NFL stats for Detroit Lions Wide Receiver Jameson Williams on ESPN. Includes scoring, rushing, defensive and receiving stats.

www.espn.com

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We will eventually get a WR1 Mr. PF. We sucked really bad 2 years ago. We started Plan A of the rebuild last year and did really well considering the amount of holes. It still amazes me how we made the SB with those holes. We are starting plan B this year. I am excited that they know what they are doing and getting players that fit their system and CULTURE. Some they cannot get and Some they can. So WR1 is still a hole and I’m sure they are working on it. Maybe it gets done this year and maybe not. It takes 2 to tangle.
Saying all that we need the right player for every position. Brandon Sybil would definitely not fit our Culture and be a waste of money and a cancer. If we signed him through haste and a better WR1 came available we would be screwed.
So get out of line at the Tobin and stop by Kelley’s and get a Large Beef with extra sauce and swill it down with a black and white shake. It’s all going to be good. Say hi to brother and cousin for me

Give Kraft A Hand said:

This is the problem. The playoffs exposed the offense as not good enough. Right now it’s more or less the same. Still early I guess but if they can’t get AJ Brown or someone similar I can’t see them going that far unless they get a playmaker or Henderson emerges. I also can’t see them using 31 on a WR given their issues at Edge.

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Doubs will definitely help out regarding the playoffs. His playoff numbers have been excellent. He seems to step up in big situations.

I think he’s going to surprise in a good way next season. He should flourish in a McDaniels offense.

Lagaffe_07 said:

Calvin Ridley was a better player 2 years ago than Doubs is right now.

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No, he wasn't, he sucked.

Ollie said:

Dude you've been flip flopping like mad, one minute you don't like Doubs because we have lots of WR2 already and now you're saying Boutte isn't a 2? Moaning that Doubs isn't a 1 when he isn't being paid like one.

They did very well in FA and the draft last year and they clearly think Doubs can make a step up in production to the next level. He has good hands, is a great route runner, creates a lot of separation and seems like a good guy so whilst i do see why some see this as a bit underwhelming in terms of his current production if you look deeper there is more than enough there to be optimistic that this is a good signing.

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You're just not following the thread. It's pretty simple. Click on the bubble quotes and it takes you all the way back to the original one in one long chain that will help you understand what you refuse to see for your self.

I said he was OFERPAID like a 1 when it was reported at 23 mil a year.

I said he was a 3 being paid like a 2 when that number came down to 17 mil a season.

I said if Doubs is a 2 then we already have a 2 in Boutte because their numbers are essentially identical.

I hope that was helpful for you to understand the chain of events here because I had no less than 3 of you quoting me over and over all trying to make different points because you felt some kind of way that I said he's a 3.

It's fine. His production WILL go up because he's going to be the number 1 as of right now.

It isn't going to take a lot to impress anyone here though given he only has to match Diggs numbers which really shouldn't be hard to do.

I've said from the start though that it doesn't matter because AJ will be here and with a true number 1 it'll make everyone around him better.

Huckleberry1 said:

No, he wasn't, he sucked.

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That’s not true though. If you looked at his stats in Jacksonville he did put up better stats than Doubs. One guy got over 1000 yards and 76 catches the other guy got 700 and 54. Now you can argue that since then the dude has fallen off a cliff and the Pats absolutely made the right call on him. But he also got 10 million more a year than Doubs too.

Doubs is a Patriot now and whether I like the signing or not he is as of March 12th the number 1 receiver on this team. For better or worse.

The bottom line is that we replaced Diggs with Doubs and that the passing game should be improved in 2026 for lots of reasons.

We will attempt to trade for a top 10 WR as we have for years. That won't change our draft or our spending on other players.

Give Kraft A Hand said:

Not doing it without a true play maker. The closest thing to that on this team is Henderson. Doubs getting 800 yards as the number one WR isn’t doing that

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Still melting down I see. Funny, I got over Pierce re-signing with Indy in about a minute. It was a long sad minute, but I recovered nicely.

Give Kraft A Hand said:

as of March 12th the number 1 receiver on this team.

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That is the key right there.
A team isn’t built by one signing on the second day of FA and more than a month from the draft.
If we traded for Brown or ended up with a high draft pick at WR everyone will then love the Doubs signing.
There isn’t a game this Sunday and we have smart guys building our team.
We should all reserve judgment and let it play out.

Give Kraft A Hand said:

That’s not true though. If you looked at his stats in Jacksonville he did put up better stats than Doubs. One guy got over 1000 yards and 76 catches the other guy got 700 and 54. Now you can argue that since then the dude has fallen off a cliff and the Pats absolutely made the right call on him. But he also got 10 million more a year than Doubs too.

Doubs is a Patriot now and whether I like the signing or not he is as of March 12th the number 1 receiver on this team. For better or worse.

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My argument is absolutely since then, but it was very predictable at the time. He was coming off a year suspension and had a questionable work ethic to begin with.

Huckleberry1 said:

No, he wasn't, he sucked.

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No he didn't you would have lost it if his girlfriend or wife didn't intervene. Wolf did back the brinks up for him.

PatsFan2 said:

No he didn't you would have lost it if his girlfriend or wife didn't intervene. Wolf did back the brinks up for him.

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And, as I said at the time it would have been a big mistake, and I was right, and you were , as usual, dead wrong. Calvin Ridley sucks.

Any contract details yet? So strange not to at least have the guarantees by now.

Huckleberry1 said:

And, as I said at the time it would have been a big mistake, and I was right, and you were , as usual, dead wrong. Calvin Ridley sucks.

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No he doesn't!

Hugepatsfan said:

Any contract details yet? So strange not to at least have the guarantees by now.

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I don't see anything about the guarantees, but it's 4 years $80M.

TheRainMaker said:

I don't see anything about the guarantees, but it's 4 years $80M.

Sources: Romeo Doubs to Patriots on 4-year, $80 million deal

The Patriots have agreed to sign former Packers wide receiver Romeo Doubs to a four-year deal worth up to $80 million, sources told ESPN.

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It's been reported as 4 years, $68M with up to $80M total with incentives.

The numbers really don't mean much without the guarantees and structure though. If al his guarantees are this year, for example, then it's really a one year deal with a team option essentially, much like Diggs last year. Right now it's hard to really gauge the real commitment here.