Player Signing Romeo Doubs Signs

PatsFan2 said:

I don't think it's going to happen but I would love for A.J. Brown to the Patriots to see a lot of you spin doctors change your tunes. I'll be getting my popcorn ready.

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What tune would we be changing?
He would make us better, just don’t like the cost of a first rounder.
I don’t believe anyone said AJ wouldn’t be welcome here.

PatsFan2 said:

Those who live in glass house shouldn't throw stones...the Lions Top 3 WR's are centuries better than ours; spare me the Rubbish. Yess and Jameson Williams is a #1 WR but keep cheating yourself on his production and average become Romeo Doubs is the identical player.

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I'm keeping notes. I'm already well into Camp I Told You So on the signing. You'll love this guy by week three, just like you did with Barefoot Mac Hollins.

PatsFan2 said:

Those who live in glass house shouldn't throw stones...the Lions Top 3 WR's are centuries better than ours; spare me the Rubbish. Yess and Jameson Williams is a #1 WR but keep cheating yourself on his production and average become Romeo Doubs is the identical player.

Jameson Williams Career Stats - NFL - ESPN

Complete career NFL stats for Detroit Lions Wide Receiver Jameson Williams on ESPN. Includes scoring, rushing, defensive and receiving stats.

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Where did I ever say Doubs was the same player?
I have said MULTIPLE times he is a number 2 and is being paid as such.
Your love of WRs is clouding your judgment, may have to start calling you Ring 3.

JayNM said:

If we upgrade at TE and at slot, I think we have a good receiver corps.

but it should be said that Edelman was better than all receivers we have now, and Gronk was, for all intents and purposes, our #1 guy, and a elite one at that.

It's difficult to win in the playoff is the guys running the field cant creat plays. This 2025 playoffs is more than enough proff, Seahawks and even Denver threw us off because not one guy could escape their coverages

I hope we draft a TE early, and then get another shot at a Douglas/Chism upgrade in later rounds

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This is the problem. The playoffs exposed the offense as not good enough. Right now it’s more or less the same. Still early I guess but if they can’t get AJ Brown or someone similar I can’t see them going that far unless they get a playmaker or Henderson emerges. I also can’t see them using 31 on a WR given their issues at Edge.

JayNM said:

If we upgrade at TE and at slot, I think we have a good receiver corps.

I hope we draft a TE early, and then get another shot at a Douglas/Chism upgrade in later rounds

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I agree.

I still hope Bell falls. At the end of R2 we have to consider him, at the end of R3 I think he would be a shoe-in.

Huckleberry1 said:

Who were those " coveted ones" in this free agency? Pierce re-signed before free agency started, so who were the other ones?

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I asked that question earlier in the thread, silence.

I think we're going to be real happy with Doubs.

Give Kraft A Hand said:

This is the problem. The playoffs exposed the offense as not good enough. Right now it’s more or less the same. Still early I guess but if they can’t get AJ Brown or someone similar I can’t see them going that far unless they get a playmaker or Henderson emerges. I also can’t see them using 31 on a WR given their issues at Edge.

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The offense faced 4 of the top 5 defenses in the NFL. They went 3-1. Believing they could have hung 30 each time is a fantasy.

Vs the best team the reason why they were not good enough was in the trenches. Couldn't pass protect, get to the QB with a 4 man rush or force turnovers.

Yes- offense is very important but if we want to be honest with ourselves, those areas are the priority. OL, D-line and ball-hawkers at LB and the secondary (which is helped by a great pass rush).

Give Kraft A Hand said:

This is the problem. The playoffs exposed the offense as not good enough. Right now it’s more or less the same. Still early I guess but if they can’t get AJ Brown or someone similar I can’t see them going that far unless they get a playmaker or Henderson emerges. I also can’t see them using 31 on a WR given their issues at Edge.

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We all want to improve the WR corp even after the Doubs signing, but was it not our Oline play that really held us back in the playoffs?
Seemed that way to me.

RobertWeathers said:

The offense faced 4 of the top 5 defenses in the NFL. They went 3-1. Believing they could have hung 30 each time is a fantasy.

Vs the best team the reason why they were not good enough in the trenches. Couldn't pass protect, get to the QB with a 4 man rush or force turnovers.

Yes- offense is very important but if we want to be honest with ourselves, those areas are the priority. OL, D-line and ball-hawkers at LB and the secondary (which is helped by a great pass rush).

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Yeah, our receivers could have had rocket packs to escape coverage and it wouldn't have mattered all that much.

In the context of the offense in general:
- WR: Doubs (26) overall is a step up from Diggs. Hollins (32) can give us 1 more year of that. Boutte (24) will continue his rise. Kyle Williams (23) will become a factor. Pop & Chism - should improve but not sure.
- OL: Campbell (22) will improve and be past the knee injury. Vera-Tucker (27) is a dominant LG. Wilson (23) will be a better center than guard. Gilliam (29) is a top fullback, Hill (26) is a legit blocking TE. The running game will be much better, and I think pass pro also.
- RB: Rham (28) and Henderson (23) should look better with the improved line.

We need a TE, RB, OL depth, and a decent kick returner.

40yrpatsfan said:

In the context of the offense in general:
- WR: Doubs (26) overall is a step up from Diggs. Hollins (32) can give us 1 more year of that. Boutte (24) will continue his rise. Kyle Williams (23) will become a factor. Pop & Chism - should improve but not sure.
- OL: Campbell (22) will improve and be past the knee injury. Vera-Tucker (27) is a dominant LG. Wilson (23) returns to Center. Gilliam (29) is a top fullback, Hill (26) is a legit blocking TE. The running game will be much better, and I think pass pro also.
- RB: Rham (28) and Henderson (23) should look better with the improved line.

We need a TE, RB, OL depth, and a decent kick returner.

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We have kick returners on the roster, but I'm just mystified the Patriots don't use them. It's frustrating.

Give Kraft A Hand said:

This is the problem. The playoffs exposed the offense as not good enough. Right now it’s more or less the same.

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Unless you think the team is finished with personnel moves for the offseason, then what the team looks like “right now” isn’t particularly important, is it?

40yrpatsfan said:

I think we're going to be real happy with Doubs.

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He falls into that Jakobi Meyers/Kendrick Bourne category where he has some height, size, good athleticism, reliable hands and simply knows how to get open. He's not blowing us away with his speed, but will with his consistency.

Giving Drake a tall reliable target is smart, the free agent market for WR's was barren... so they did the best they could without overspending. Now they can draft some WR help and develop it. The best WR on this team might already be here in Kyle Williams, or arriving via the draft. The draft is the best source for superweapons on a budget. Trust the process.

RobertWeathers said:

The offense faced 4 of the top 5 defenses in the NFL. They went 3-1. Believing they could have hung 30 each time is a fantasy.

Vs the best team the reason why they were not good enough was in the trenches. Couldn't pass protect, get to the QB with a 4 man rush or force turnovers.

Yes- offense is very important but if we want to be honest with ourselves, those areas are the priority. OL, D-line and ball-hawkers at LB and the secondary (which is helped by a great pass rush).

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30 points no, but 20? We only got it against Texans with about 6 turnovers

I mean, Bills hanged 30 on Denver, Rams 34 on the Seahawks

While I agree that the line was more af fault, it was evident that our offense looked trash against elite. Lack of a "playmaker" was clear

JayNM said:

30 points no, but 20? We only got it against Texans with about 6 turnovers

I mean, Bills hanged 30 on Denver, Rams 34 on the Seahawks

While I agree that the line was more af fault, it was evident that our offense looked trash against elite. Lack of a "playmaker" was clear

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Yes. The overall receiving talent needs to be more dynamic/playmaking sprinkled throughout the unit.

I throw the DEN game out. Snow. Drake was hurt, etc. Weather was a little sloppy in the playoffs but I agree they should have scored a few more points.

With that said I also think Drake had a bit of a deer in the headlights in his first playoff run (which is normal). Couple that with some conservative play-calling and way too many sacks didn't help.

RobertWeathers said:

The offense faced 4 of the top 5 defenses in the NFL. They went 3-1. Believing they could have hung 30 each time is a fantasy.

Vs the best team the reason why they were not good enough was in the trenches. Couldn't pass protect, get to the QB with a 4 man rush or force turnovers.

Yes- offense is very important but if we want to be honest with ourselves, those areas are the priority. OL, D-line and ball-hawkers at LB and the secondary (which is helped by a great pass rush).

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In 65 years of watching pro football, the 3 basic foundations of winning haven't changed.
What was true in the 60's,70's,80's,90's,00's
and 10's is still fact in the '20s:
I. Qb
2a. OL 2b. DL
These have been, are and always will be the 3 most important position groups on any team.
Qbs impact has grown more through the years with innovations like Walsh's West Coast offense in the 80's. One thing I loved about the WCO was it forced defenses to become much more innovative to counter.
Belichick as DC with the NYG was one of the best at this.
But OL and DL still matter much more than wrs and dbs.Thats indisputable.
Yes, wrs and dbs influence has increased since the 70's starting with the WCO and especially after all the rules changes and so-called Points of Emphasis from mid-2000's to now; but neither one matters as much as the trenches.
The math is simple: any wr can be rendered almost useless by a good D- the wr is just one guy.
But a good OL or DL can never be rendered useless- there's too many moving parts.
Even if a team had the 3 best wrs of all time plus a great qb, if their OL sucks they'll have a hard time vs. a strong defense.
Just go rewatch the 2007 SB, as painful as that was, to see what I'm talking about.
Fantasy football has always made fans stupider about football. The glorification of wrs is ridiculous. A lot of those fans think it makes them more knowledgeable. It doesn't.
Its made-up b.s. that has no correlation to real football. Yes, a lot of knowledgeable fans do fantasy football, but they have no illusions about what it actually is. They know it's called
Fantasy for a reason.

jimnance said:

In 65 years of watching pro football, the 3 basic foundations of winning haven't changed.
What was true in the 60's,70's,80's,90's,00's
and 10's is still fact in the '20s:
I. Qb
2a. OL 2b. DL
These have been, are and always will be the 3 most important position groups on any team.
Qbs impact has grown more through the years with innovations like Walsh's West Coast offense in the 80's. One thing I loved about the WCO was it forced defenses to become much more innovative to counter.
Belichick as DC with the NYG was one of the best at this.
But OL and DL still matter much more than wrs and dbs.Thats indisputable.
Yes, wrs and dbs influence has increased since the 70's starting with the WCO and especially after all the rules changes and so-called Points of Emphasis from mid-2000's to now; but neither one matters as much as the trenches.
The math is simple: any wr can be rendered almost useless by a good D- the wr is just one guy.
But a good OL or DL can never be rendered useless- there's too many moving parts.
Even if a team had the 3 best wrs of all time plus a great qb, if their OL sucks they'll have a hard time vs. a strong defense.
Just go rewatch the 2007 SB, as painful as that was, to see what I'm talking about.
Fantasy football has always made fans stupider about football. The glorification of wrs is ridiculous. A lot of those fans think it makes them more knowledgeable. It doesn't.
Its made-up b.s. that has no correlation to real football. Yes, a lot of knowledgeable fans do fantasy football, but they have no illusions about what it actually is. They know it's called
Fantasy for a reason.

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This is and has always been the case, you can put 'secondary' at #3 on that list.

No matter what rules they change, no matter what brief blips in anomalies happen with stats over a year or two, it always reverts back to its equilibrium level. Win in the trenches, get good QB play, limit mistakes, you're going to do really well.

Same as it absolutely ever was.

JayNM said:

If we upgrade at TE and at slot, I think we have a good receiver corps.

but it should be said that Edelman was better than all receivers we have now, and Gronk was, for all intents and purposes, our #1 guy, and a elite one at that.

It's difficult to win in the playoff is the guys running the field cant creat plays. This 2025 playoffs is more than enough proff, Seahawks and even Denver threw us off because not one guy could escape their coverages

I hope we draft a TE early, and then get another shot at a Douglas/Chism upgrade in later rounds

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Zachariah Branch is an exciting player...plays Bigger than his listed 5'8 size.

PatsFan2 said:

Zachariah Branch is an exciting player...plays Bigger than his listed 5'8 size.

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Come on PF2.
Remember your WR criteria?
NO SMURFS!