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Patriots Pregame Thread SUPER BOWL PREGAME THREAD - Patriots vs Seahawks 2026 SB - The Rematch

Pregame Discussion ahead of the LIVE game day discussion thread. The actual Game Thread will Open an hour ahead of kickoff.
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: I have kids in the avatar, AND have negotiated a lot deals in the music industry from country to Pop to Rap. I know that business and many people in it.!

Popularity has nothing to do with talent.

In fact, there can sometimes (not always) be an inverse relationship between talent (which I define as musicianship) and contrived exposure.

It’s marketing and packaging first.

It’s shockingly difficult for truly talented folks to break through.

Example: Steven Wilson Jr was known to be one of the most talented people in Nashville for YEARS yet couldn’t get a push before finally, his peers were so loud about it that he did beginning last year.

Bad Bunny uses HEAVY engineering, has poor pitch, and is essentially a plant to excite the modern avatar.

That isn’t new, he’s just the biggest modern example.

And this isn’t “get off my lawn” musical taste either…Kendrick Lamar isn’t my style but is truly a talented guy.

My barometer is simple: with a single mic in a small room can a musician deliver an elite performance?

You may not like my criteria, but it’s not the opinion of someone who doesn’t know music or the industry.

I didn’t like Bruno Mars politics much, but the guy is incredibly talented and deserved a spot at the SB.

Not just the average Georgia cracker, are you UGA.

At least your opinion comes from a place of knowledge and experience. But the point remains that the guy is wildly popular throughout the world, despite (if you are correct) his lack of talent. And the NFL, in its chase for the last buck, has made it its goal to take the Shield international in a big way, picked a guy who has international appeal and attention who will bring the most eyes on its halftime show. All this controversy just makes it better for them. I'll probably watch for a few minutes just to see what the fuss is about BECAUSE of the all the controversy so clearly the strategy has worked. Eyeballs are the goal here, not the quality of the show. It never is.

Thanks for the insight.
 
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Very thorough insight & analysis on both teams.


 
I get your frustration, and you aren’t wrong entirely but you are absolutely conflating monopoly (which really boils down to price fixing at an inflated cost that harms the market) with dominance.

Amazon absolutely does exhibit predatory behavior…they got caught using private sellers data to reverse engineer supply chain, launch competing products, and manipulating search results to favor brands they own.

BUT, consumers don’t HAVE to buy from Amazon.

Walmart does a similar thing with retail, Apple with IOS. Big Pharma is an even better example.

Interestingly, other than IOS /Pharma all these examples result in LOWER prices not higher.

Consumers don't have to get their media from Netflix either but when this WB merger goes through they're going to own over 50% of the paying audience.

They are absolutely controlling the market and this idea that it's not a monopoly because you can choose to pay peacock 20 something s month for a third of the content and **** content at that is silly.

In any normal world Netflix would outright not be allowed to buy WB. In this world, Republicans or Democrats, it goes through without hardly a concession to been seen.
 
I went off the CBS weather report: Super Bowl 2026 weather forecast: Conditions for Patriots vs. Seahawks

Looks like the forecast has improved for the better going off the national weather service.

We will have to see. No rain is a good thing if we're looking for best conditions. Question is who does that favor more?

If we're hoping for more offense we want fair weather the whole game.

I hope Maye can elevate his game and his shoulder doesn't bother him too much. OL has a real task to protect him against that Seahawks defense.
I was just thinking: great weather favors the Patriots, and after monsoon mud fest favors the Patriots. But a light drizzle and no other meaningful weather factors probably favors Seattle
 
Coach Vrabel, make sure you drill the last minute of the game today often. We gotta execute with full pressure cituations! As for the defense the countries making fun of us like we are lucky, show em waterboy style!
 
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I have been hoping this thread would shift from Bad Bunny to Standard Oil!

I'll take anything over another litigation of Brady and Belechick.

Media turned out Superbowl break into those two again as if anyone here should give a **** about that at this time.
 
Consumers don't have to get their media from Netflix either but when this WB merger goes through they're going to own over 50% of the paying audience.

They are absolutely controlling the market and this idea that it's not a monopoly because you can choose to pay peacock 20 something s month for a third of the content and **** content at that is silly.

In any normal world Netflix would outright not be allowed to buy WB. In this world, Republicans or Democrats, it goes through without hardly a concession to been seen.
Netflix remains one of the more compelling business stories of the last 30 years. Blockbuster laughed them out the door years ago in a buyout discussion.

Who’s laughing now?
 
Netflix remains one of the more compelling business stories of the last 30 years. Blockbuster laughed them out the door years ago in a buyout discussion.

Who’s laughing now?

Now that they're evolving into a literal cable provider, I'm guessing their days are numbered. Slowly but surely.
 
I have been hoping this thread would shift from Bad Bunny to Standard Oil!
Welcome to the normal chaos that is a typical day in my life ; )
 
Just watched an NFL films retrospective of the Carolina Superbowl, and I found it very interesting. In that game it was an upstart Carolina team that was the heavy underdog to the Pats. Lots of similarities to the dynamics of this game in that one. 2 great D's, similar roster comparisons, and lots of things that had to go right to keep Carolina in the game. Also, lots of things I forgot about in that VERY exciting game.

Not exactly Adam's best kicking game missing one FG attempt and having another one blocked (looked like it came out low). Ironic that it's being shown right after he's elected to the HOF. Even more so when it's ALSO another game where he kicks the game winner with no time on the clock. Brady had perhaps one of the worst redzone picks of his career to take away another score, and then watching our secondary go down with multiple injuries in the 2nd half and lead to 2 big TD passes in a 4th quarter that saw the immortal Jake Delhomme throw for 240+ yds. All those things which led to a 4th quarter shoot out in a game that started out as a defensive slugfest.

Hard not to see similar dynamics to this game. Maybe that's why they showed it.

BTW- I have also seem a couple of articles talking about the Butler pick in relation to this game and a "rematch" between the Pats and Seahawks. I took great umbrage when they described the play as "the most IMFAMOUS call in NFL Superbowl history". I have shown clearly over the years good, logical reasons for Seattle to make that call. Question the call sure, but "most infamous" is WAY over the top and demeans the accomplishment and simply isn't the truth.
 
Ok. I'm surprised JSN is 6'; my impression is he plays closer to the ground. Anyway, put Jones and somebody on JSN; Gonzo on the next biggest threat. (Jones + somebody) > (Gonzo alone). That locks down JSN and Gonzo can lock down 2nd best. It's the best use of resources.

Just as a side note: both Brady and Amendola, who claims he "trained" JSN, say, along with his athleticism, JSN maintains a perfect shoulder plane, making it hard for DB's to read his body language in telling where he'll go.

Whoever is assigned to him will need to have good eyes and confidence in committing to a direction. Even if bracketed.

Also I wouldn't expect that to lock down JSN. He will get, at least, 70 yards.
 
I get your frustration, and you aren’t wrong entirely but you are absolutely conflating monopoly (which really boils down to price fixing at an inflated cost that harms the market) with dominance.

Amazon absolutely does exhibit predatory behavior…they got caught using private sellers data to reverse engineer supply chain, launch competing products, and manipulating search results to favor brands they own.

BUT, consumers don’t HAVE to buy from Amazon.

Walmart does a similar thing with retail, Apple with IOS. Big Pharma is an even better example.

Interestingly, other than IOS /Pharma all these examples result in LOWER prices not higher.

The modern monopoly is going to look different in the finance-based economy, than it did in the pre-WWII manufacturing economy, especially considering the rise of globalism.

It is lurching giants like Amazon that develop themselves vertically, in that they outfit their own delivery service, are getting into pharmaceuticals, completely demolished the book market.

More extreme examples are going to be banks and holding companies, which ultimately manipulate the macro to maintain dominance and fix prices to their favor, such as property holding companies.

I legit have no idea what started this convo as I haven't gone back into the convo, but just wanted to toss that lil bit out there. I don't think you're wrong, I just like remarking on the difference between an industrial capital economy and a finance capital economy.
 
I have been hoping this thread would shift from Bad Bunny to Standard Oil!

Not gonna lie, I get a little excited discussing the transition from manufacturing to finance, and the proliferation of neoliberalism. Because, I mean, that's what the original music debate REALLY was about, am I right?
 
Just watched an NFL films retrospective of the Carolina Superbowl, and I found it very interesting. In that game it was an upstart Carolina team that was the heavy underdog to the Pats. Lots of similarities to the dynamics of this game in that one. 2 great D's, similar roster comparisons, and lots of things that had to go right to keep Carolina in the game. Also, lots of things I forgot about in that VERY exciting game.

Not exactly Adam's best kicking game missing one FG attempt and having another one blocked (looked like it came out low). Ironic that it's being shown right after he's elected to the HOF. Even more so when it's ALSO another game where he kicks the game winner with no time on the clock. Brady had perhaps one of the worst redzone picks of his career to take away another score, and then watching our secondary go down with multiple injuries in the 2nd half and lead to 2 big TD passes in a 4th quarter that saw the immortal Jake Delhomme throw for 240+ yds. All those things which led to a 4th quarter shoot out in a game that started out as a defensive slugfest.

Hard not to see similar dynamics to this game. Maybe that's why they showed it.

BTW- I have also seem a couple of articles talking about the Butler pick in relation to this game and a "rematch" between the Pats and Seahawks. I took great umbrage when they described the play as "the most IMFAMOUS call in NFL Superbowl history". I have shown clearly over the years good, logical reasons for Seattle to make that call. Question the call sure, but "most infamous" is WAY over the top and demeans the accomplishment and simply isn't the truth.


It doesn't get mentioned enough how insane it is that Butler held onto that. That was a BIG collision. But that was Butler, couldn't have been a more fitting introduction to a player like him. His prime may have been short but MAN he was a scrappy fighter. Was one of my favorites to watch. Gilmore was modern CB perfection, Butler was an out-the-mud, punchy, fight to the last millisecond-type. His game against Odell when both of them were in their prime was great.
 
Just watched an NFL films retrospective of the Carolina Superbowl, and I found it very interesting. In that game it was an upstart Carolina team that was the heavy underdog to the Pats. Lots of similarities to the dynamics of this game in that one. 2 great D's, similar roster comparisons, and lots of things that had to go right to keep Carolina in the game. Also, lots of things I forgot about in that VERY exciting game.

Not exactly Adam's best kicking game missing one FG attempt and having another one blocked (looked like it came out low). Ironic that it's being shown right after he's elected to the HOF. Even more so when it's ALSO another game where he kicks the game winner with no time on the clock. Brady had perhaps one of the worst redzone picks of his career to take away another score, and then watching our secondary go down with multiple injuries in the 2nd half and lead to 2 big TD passes in a 4th quarter that saw the immortal Jake Delhomme throw for 240+ yds. All those things which led to a 4th quarter shoot out in a game that started out as a defensive slugfest.

Hard not to see similar dynamics to this game. Maybe that's why they showed it.

BTW- I have also seem a couple of articles talking about the Butler pick in relation to this game and a "rematch" between the Pats and Seahawks. I took great umbrage when they described the play as "the most IMFAMOUS call in NFL Superbowl history". I have shown clearly over the years good, logical reasons for Seattle to make that call. Question the call sure, but "most infamous" is WAY over the top and demeans the accomplishment and simply isn't the truth.

That Carolina team was so frustrating to deal with. They were a Cinderella story due to how flukey they were throughout the season. I wouldn't call them upstart. They won most of their games by grinding things out and slowly wearing down their opponents through 4 quarters or taking them to OT. The majority of their wins were close. They played smart, situational football by avoiding turnovers and tiring teams out.

Of their 11 regular season wins, 9 of them were close games decided by a single score. They lost 2 close games, so they were 9-2 in one score games going into the playoffs.

The team's stats were deceptive, especially Delhomme's passing numbers. I remember all the debates Saints fans had of Delhomme vs Aaron Brooks. When looking at the numbers, Brooks overall stats looked better, but Delhomme won more games and was better in the clutch. This is one of many examples with that Carolina team where the stats do not tell you the entire story. You would have to watch them, and see how they wore down most of their opponents.

The Rams were the NFC team of 2003 that everyone thought was going to be in the SB. It was the revival of the GSOT with Marc Bulger at QB. The Panthers made everyone forget that, and yet that game still went into OT and lasted a full OT quarter.

I've always believed the Pats got so lucky with that kickoff going out of bounds at the end of the SB. If it goes to OT, knowing how flukey that Panthers team was, they probably pull it off. Go through their games that season. They weren't a team that you wanted to deal with in overtime.

I see more similarities right now with this SB and the 1997 matchup of Green Bay vs Denver. The Packers were heavy favorites. At one point, they were double digit favorites on the spread. An argument can be made that the Packers should've won that SB. Favre played a good game, but it wasn't enough in the end.

No one was giving the Broncos a chance, much like how most people are picking Seattle right now. Another similarity is how the Packers got a divisional foe (Tampa Bay, yes, they used to play in the old NFC Central) in the playoffs, then went on the road to face a banged up 49ers team, whom they had familiarity with (3rd consecutive year of facing SF in the post season).
 
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